Boz, I try really hard to give people the benefit of the doubt. And I did that twice with Shackleford now. But you were right and I was wrong, this guy guy has no integrity about him. The Michael Shackleford that started WoV would have never allowed this Mdawg person to make a mockery of the forum and the math that Mike believed in and made his name by. But this Mikael Shackleford has sold out, literally! You are right, he stopped being that guy years ago. I guess the day he signed the check.