Gambling is mathematics. Advantage play is mathematics. Everything in life is about mathematics.

Anyone that claims to win at gambling long-term should be able to explain the math of what gives them an advantage. These guys that come along with claims that defy the math and then double down claiming the math is a hoax or conspiracy and that they are working off some alternative math are telling a tale, a fantasy. No different that the little girl who fell through a rabbit hole to a magical fantasy world or the little boy that planted some magical bean and climbed up a beanstalk to a land of giants.

This is a forum populated by people that known and understand the math. The real math, not some alternative twilight zone version. For some reason some of these people choose to embrace some of these fantasy claims. I guess they think it funny to do so.

The very low bar for any claim of long-term winnings from gambling has to be that the math works. The real math, not some funky alternative version. After that we can get into discussions of longevity and how a player can go about being able to keep playing against an industry trying to stop them, but only after that low bar of the math working has been met.

On this forum, Spike/Evenbob now joins Rob Singer, and Mdawg with these fantasy claims that defy math and claiming some form of alternative math.

Now moving past the math for a minute, if a player had discovered some holy grail of winning as these guys all claim, and had the ability to basically print money, would they drive a taxi cab or run a bar (Evenbob), or chase ambulances for a living (Mdawg) or work in aerospace (Singer and his wife) for decades?

These fables are fun, I guess. But they are as real as Jack and his beanstalk. And the APs and guys on this forum that understand the math know it. The very low bar has to be the math.