Dumb Ass Trump and Hydroxychloroquine

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The guy seems a bit political when he rails against Fauci and doesn't just keep talking about the data like a proper scientist. He doesn't hurt his case beyond that. Digging through all this stuff is a multi-day job so hard to figure it all out and I don't begin to care enough.

So one thing we could do it look at other countries that aren't particularly anti/pro-Trump and see what they decided to do. It is one thing to complain media doesn't want Trump to get credit for HCQ, but to suggest this would have a significant impact on the decisions of scientists outside of the US in SPITE OF TRUMP is a whole different thing. (and not just a little bit tinfoil hat) I'd like to know which countries are using it.

C'mon, Risch was not "railing." He answered every question cooly and calmly. Countries with Malaria problems have been liberally using HCQ for decades. Never controversial. Always considered safe. That is, until American left wing politics got involved.

Risch was invited by John Berman to do a CNN interview. Then Berman debated him, brow beat him, everything but interview him. Late in this video Risch names countries using HCQ and the good results they've had with it.

I will say "railing" might be a bit too strong but he spends 2 minutes complaining about Fauci from years ago. He should be like "Look at this study, look at that study". He doesn't really EVER do that. He is not behaving in a way I'd expect scientist to respond.

Someone claiming to have success in another country (with HCQ) is not the same as the country's medical establishment deciding that HCQ should be best practice/gold standard for early onset. Perhaps..

I really think at this point, there is literally too much gained to be the guy who brings this to be known. The complacency by the vast majority of medical establishment speaks volumes and volumes. These people don't all have "TDS". To think they'd all go back on their hypocritical oath. Just doesn't make sense, but I'm still open to Risch being right. Risch would be more impressive if he did a meta-study.

I just reread something on medpage today or whatever and it laid it out pretty succinctly. The guy hasn't responded to the actual studies that show no benefit. His analysis and studies are sketchy and when whittled down it isn't that much. Seems like he might be very smart but has some issues.

I'm going to have to go with Redietz on this one and give up on the idea of HCQ. If you want to show me where HCQ is used as the gold standard for covid treatment in a first-world country I am happy to take that information and look further. Otherwise we're stamping this one CASE CLOSED

Damn, don't you have any reading comprehension? YES, he responded to studies that show no benefit. I really have to ask myself if you are really that stupid, or if you are just frivolously trolling.

Risch explained the groups being studied. He pointed out that the two Minnesota studies that say neutral or negative results had used people in the low risk categories. These are young people with no pre-existing conditions. They have an extremely low hospitalization and mortality rate. There is literally no room for improvement on the hospitalization and mortality rates. So, of course, a study won't show any improvement. Duh!!!!!

He pointed out that you don't take studies from low risk groups and then apply them to high risk groups. And that is exactly what the hard left and fake news has done. He explained the high risk groups, people of the age of 60 or older and/or with pre-existing health issues like obesity, diabetes, etc. He told of their rate of hospitalization and mortality in the 10% to 15% range. He explained that this is the target group for HCQ and where the drug has shown its most effectiveness.

He explained that when the high risk group is given HCQ as an outpatient treatment, statistically they show a much lower rate of hospitalization and mortality than those in the high risk group that don't take the HCQ treatment. He pointed out that this evidence is coming from many doctors prescribing HCQ. In other words, the sample space is large enough that the results are highly credible.

That gold standard you speak of? It didn't apply to many, many, many drugs on the market today. Risch pointed this out. Many very good drugs never met a "gold standard." These drugs were not submitted to a "randomized clinical trial" before approval. The "gold standard" phrase used in the media today is just smoke and mirrors. I think you picked up that phrase and threw it around just to try to make yourself look intelligent.

There is a lot to learn from Risch. Unfortunately, it is all going right over yours and redietz' heads. CASE CLOSED.