Here you go AxelWolf

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But for now, what strikes me as very odd about the above post is that you acknowledge casinos will not tolerate blackjack advantage play for long without taking countermeasures, which range from cutting off comps and freebies (often the first countermeasure that is sometimes missed by the player), to not allowing them to play anymore. Yet, with baccarat, you seem to think they don't care. They will allow a player to just keep winning and comp him on top of that.

Look every advantage play, from card counting, to very advanced stuff, was at one time unknown to the casinos. There are players that probably figured out something just today, or this week that the casinos are currently in the dark about. Unfortunately with traitors like Eliot, they don't stay in the dark for ever. So my point is that just because the casino hasn't figured out exactly what a player is doing, doesn't mean they are ok, with him winning forever. There is a point where they say no more, regardless of whether they understand what is happening or not. You seem to understand this about blackjack, but not baccarat. That is weird to me.

Okay, couple things. First off, I want to make clear that I don't speak in absolutes. I can speak only of my own experience, or of the experience of anyone who has played in casinos whom I know personally or know of.

Secondly, I am talking about known players. Players who play table games openly under their own identity, with a player card, and who have been playing for some time in the casinos, at a good level of play.

In my experience, casinos do Not cut off comps as a means to stop such blackjack players as are displaying clear signs of card counting or winning too consistently. Instead, they step in to tell us that we may no longer play blackjack (but are free to play other table games). Sometimes they do this with an outright back off from blackjack, and other times, such as they did to me, they effectively ban by limiting the spread between bets (in my case, to 3X, which made it not worth my continuing to play blackjack).

Again in my experience, no one I know has ever been backed off with regards to baccarat play, in any way, no matter how much he won in a given trip or over a period time.