The Adventures of MDawg (in progress)

[Mission146]

So because of MDawgs crazy claims, no one else can make an gambling claims over there now? And if they do it is considered trolling?

How does that make any sense at all? How do we know they are not true? Or that the posters that have been suspended for claims don’t actually believe them? Do we know for a fact Sabre didn’t pull his clothes off 15 feet from a table? Perhaps he didn’t measure but was actually 17 feet away? Does anyone have access to any recent arrests for indecent exposure in a casino?

Just gives more credibility to those who claim MDawg and his socks run the forum and the Wizard is his puppet.

Read his post and read Rule 19. His post invoked religion, and is therefore, a violation of Rule 19. That's why I would have no choice but to give him three days. I would not have issued a ban for Trolling and Trolling would not have been mentioned in my stated reason for the ban.

IOW, my entire ban would have been predicated on Rule 19 (which didn't even exist when I was an Admin) for invoking religion.

Because of that, the rest of your post is not relevant as relates to me.

[Mission146]

MDawg's posts are a parody of WoV and all AP postings! Don't you get that?

WoV is not specifically an AP forum. Never was. Never claimed to be. Others have made that claim on its behalf.

[kewlJ]

WoV is not specifically an AP forum. Never was. Never claimed to be. Others have made that claim on its behalf.

But it was supposed to be about gambling truth and gambling math and NOT voodoo claims. Voodoo claims, have always been called out as such and now suddenly they are not, because you have a long running thread that is perceived to add traffic. It isn't adding traffic it is adding more comments by the same members and driving some legitimate members away.

[Mission146]

Exactly. I never mention MDawg in those posts.

The core issue is that "reading the flow of cards" is a basic parody of the entire alleged WoV take on material gambling reality. All of the MDawg posts are a WoV parody.

That's why it is in the Betting Systems subsection. There's no precedent for that subsection not also appearing on the, "Recent Threads," list. Would you like me to suggest that it should be? I usually don't do anything that would be perceived as Administration or an attempt to Administrate the Forum, but in general (and it has nothing to do with MDawg himself or his thread) I would support betting systems not appearing on Recent Threads...though I wouldn't otherwise be inclined to actually be the one to suggest it.

Anyway, it would have to be that entire subsection and not apply to Mdawg's thread only.

[redietz]

It's a math-based forum. Now go ahead and tell me that WoV is NOT a math-based forum. I can go as semi-autistic as you're being here, Mission. I have that ability. You're arguing minutiae and none of this is about minutiae or specific rules.

If I posted that I prayed to my Chevy van on weekdays, my statue of Smaug on Sundays, and will convert to Harry Potterism on Saturdays because it fits with my schedule, are you saying I would NOT have been suspended? None of those are religions. When my suspension lifts, I'll post that, say that Mission helped me see the error of my ways regarding religion, and we'll see how long the post stays up.

And, to be as semi-autistic as Mission, I want to point out that voodoo is a religion, also. So any mention of voodoo at WoV should result in immediate suspension, if not a permanent ban. Because nobody ever says voodoo in a positive or neutral way. It's appalling, really.

[The Boz]

MDawg's posts are a parody of WoV and all AP postings! Don't you get that?

WoV is not specifically an AP forum. Never was. Never claimed to be. Others have made that claim on its behalf.

Correct, but it and all Mike’s work including WoO’s were described by him as trying to explain the games and help players make the best possible wager on negative games. Along with some work on basic AP play such as must hits and others over the years.

But he also used the forum to call out claims that were outright scams and lies, along with claims that didn’t pass the smell test in regards to math. And until MDawg he still did that, but for some reason he just let that one slide. Maybe he did get sick of all the PM’s, which I actually agree with him on. It sounds like a few on both sides were constantly bothering him with them.

The answer may be as simple as he doesn’t give a fuck anymore and has his money. But something changed with MD and his claims and the question is why?

[Mission146]

But it was supposed to be about gambling truth and gambling math and NOT voodoo claims. Voodoo claims, have always been called out as such and now suddenly they are not, because you have a long running thread that is perceived to add traffic. It isn't adding traffic it is adding more comments by the same members and driving some legitimate members away.

If betting systems were categorically not supposed to be there, then there would not be a betting systems subsection. The thread is in the Betting Systems subsection. You state that you do not specifically want MDawg banned. What other action do you think that the Forum rules support taking, here?

If it drives, "Legitimate," members away, then it does. Who gives a fuck? Not me. Most of you are fickle anyway. The Forum will never be what it once was and Message Boards (in general) are a dying medium anyway. I'll keep writing as long as they keep paying and will continue to post until I am one of the only ones left. When the writing for money is done, then I guess I'll be done also. I'll be doing something else entirely. A few vultures will have less competition. I'll probably still post on DT, so you'll know where to find me, assuming a non-zero number of us are there.

[The Boz]

. I'll probably still post on DT, so you'll know where to find me, assuming a non-zero number of us are there.

Since you are at DT, can you remind the Wiz my 1 year suspension was up a while back?

He specifically asked someone to remind him because he will forget about it.

I’m sure he will love you for that!��

[Mission146]

It's a math-based forum. Now go ahead and tell me that WoV is NOT a math-based forum. I can go as semi-autistic as you're being here, Mission. I have that ability. You're arguing minutiae and none of this is about minutiae or specific rules.

If I posted that I prayed to my Chevy van on weekdays, my statue of Smaug on Sundays, and will convert to Harry Potterism on Saturdays because it fits with my schedule, are you saying I would NOT have been suspended? None of those are religions. When my suspension lifts, I'll post that, say that Mission helped me see the error of my ways regarding religion, and we'll see how long the post stays up.

And, to be as semi-autistic as Mission, I want to point out that voodoo is a religion, also. So any mention of voodoo at WoV should result in immediate suspension, if not a permanent ban. Because nobody ever says voodoo in a positive or neutral way. It's appalling, really.

Well, if those fuckers would respect that Asperger's and Autism are separate things once and for all, but that's neither here nor there. Anyway, yes, the Forum discusses mathematical principles and realities and such is arguably the only real objective of WoO...or was originally. It still does mostly that.

Everything is about specific rules. Why the fuck even have rules otherwise? Again, it's in the Betting Systems subsection, so I don't know what else you could want, in that regard.

I would be hesitant to mention, "Praying," at all, especially in light of one of the partial stated causes for your current suspension.

Further, I'm only stating what I would do were I an Admin, which I'm not. You can say that I, "Helped," you all you want, but that carries no more weight than saying that the guy at the local deli helped you with your mistake vis-a-vis the rules. I have no clout there. The only thing I do is flat out delete blatant spam---which I do as a courtesy because I could not edit my articles without retaining other privileges.

I look forward to Autism being used against me in future arguments. It definitely invalidates everything that I have ever said or will ever say and there exists no potential for an argument to be either right or wrong on its own merits. Perhaps, were I not autistic, I wouldn't think so many people are idiots.

[Mission146]

. I'll probably still post on DT, so you'll know where to find me, assuming a non-zero number of us are there.

Since you are at DT, can you remind the Wiz my 1 year suspension was up a while back?

He specifically asked someone to remind him because he will forget about it.

I’m sure he will love you for that!��

You'll forgive me for checking the Suspension list first, but if that is the case, then I will send him a PM.

[The Boz]

. I'll probably still post on DT, so you'll know where to find me, assuming a non-zero number of us are there.

Since you are at DT, can you remind the Wiz my 1 year suspension was up a while back?

He specifically asked someone to remind him because he will forget about it.

I’m sure he will love you for that!��

You'll forgive me for checking the Suspension list first, but if that is the case, then I will send him a PM.

Not at all, the link is there. It was when I went off on his buddy Bluejay. He didn’t seem to appreciate it.

[Mission146]

Correct, but it and all Mike’s work including WoO’s were described by him as trying to explain the games and help players make the best possible wager on negative games. Along with some work on basic AP play such as must hits and others over the years.

But he also used the forum to call out claims that were outright scams and lies, along with claims that didn’t pass the smell test in regards to math. And until MDawg he still did that, but for some reason he just let that one slide. Maybe he did get sick of all the PM’s, which I actually agree with him on. It sounds like a few on both sides were constantly bothering him with them.

The answer may be as simple as he doesn’t give a fuck anymore and has his money. But something changed with MD and his claims and the question is why?

Hell, I don't have his money and I don't give a fuck.

Regardless of what anyone wants to say, we generally don't ban on demand. I didn't. I guess KewlJ would disagree regarding his situation, rightfully so, but that's why I use the word, "Generally." Wizard generally does not ban because someone else demands it. He bans if there's a rule violation, again, generally.

I've said it before, the more someone bothers me about something they want me to do, the less likely my doing it becomes.

[monet]

MDawg Wins.
The End.

[kewlJ]

Regardless of what anyone wants to say, we generally don't ban on demand. I didn't. I guess KewlJ would disagree regarding his situation, rightfully so, but that's why I use the word, "Generally." Wizard generally does not ban because someone else demands it. He bans if there's a rule violation, again, generally.

"kewlJ would disagree? Ya think!! But while I have moved on from that and the complete re-writing of rules to do so, it is nauseating to see it happen all over again as it is with this Mdawg situation. MFraud PM's Mike constantly demanding suspensions and bannings. Don't take my word for it, ask Mike. He usually will tell you. If he is in one of his honest moods, he will tell you he is suspending someone just to get a break from Mdawgs complains for a few days or week. That is just retarded.

[monet]

And, to be as semi-autistic as Mission, I want to point out that voodoo is a religion, also. So any mention of voodoo at WoV should result in immediate suspension, if not a permanent ban. Because nobody ever says voodoo in a positive or neutral way. It's appalling, really.

That argument does not compute.
Mike's House.
Mike's Rules.
You don't like it... door hit you and all that.

[redietz]

It's a math-based forum. Now go ahead and tell me that WoV is NOT a math-based forum. I can go as semi-autistic as you're being here, Mission. I have that ability. You're arguing minutiae and none of this is about minutiae or specific rules.

If I posted that I prayed to my Chevy van on weekdays, my statue of Smaug on Sundays, and will convert to Harry Potterism on Saturdays because it fits with my schedule, are you saying I would NOT have been suspended? None of those are religions. When my suspension lifts, I'll post that, say that Mission helped me see the error of my ways regarding religion, and we'll see how long the post stays up.

And, to be as semi-autistic as Mission, I want to point out that voodoo is a religion, also. So any mention of voodoo at WoV should result in immediate suspension, if not a permanent ban. Because nobody ever says voodoo in a positive or neutral way. It's appalling, really.

Well, if those fuckers would respect that Asperger's and Autism are separate things once and for all, but that's neither here nor there. Anyway, yes, the Forum discusses mathematical principles and realities and such is arguably the only real objective of WoO...or was originally. It still does mostly that.

Everything is about specific rules. Why the fuck even have rules otherwise? Again, it's in the Betting Systems subsection, so I don't know what else you could want, in that regard.

I would be hesitant to mention, "Praying," at all, especially in light of one of the partial stated causes for your current suspension.

Further, I'm only stating what I would do were I an Admin, which I'm not. You can say that I, "Helped," you all you want, but that carries no more weight than saying that the guy at the local deli helped you with your mistake vis-a-vis the rules. I have no clout there. The only thing I do is flat out delete blatant spam---which I do as a courtesy because I could not edit my articles without retaining other privileges.

I look forward to Autism being used against me in future arguments. It definitely invalidates everything that I have ever said or will ever say and there exists no potential for an argument to be either right or wrong on its own merits. Perhaps, were I not autistic, I wouldn't think so many people are idiots.

Actually, I wasn't knocking autism or Asperger's, per se. One of my guys has the nickname, "Asperger's Boy," which was bestowed upon him by his girlfriend. As I have often said, when I'm in a room with my people, I'm the dumbest guy in there by any IQ test, and I'm an old National Merit Scholar.

My point is that, when you have those abilities, sometimes those abilities become a negative, and it behooves the person hanging out with or conversing with the person with the abilities to point out when the abilities have become a drag. And that's what I'm doing.

Mission, your focus on minutia and the details of verbiage are what give you the ability to be infinitely patient describing complex processes in a way that's superior to me and most others. But on this topic, that kind of focus is causing a not seeing the forest for the trees effect. You wind up being a minutia apologist for someone who undermines all credibility for the WoV site and anyone on it.

I liken the problem to having various microscope lenses and not being able to swing from one to another to understand the bigger picture, even though your particular lenses are sharper and better than most. If you can't rotate between lenses optimally, you lose big picture views.


And, by the way, Mission, are you saying you have Asperger's or are on the autistic spectrum? That may be common knowledge, but I didn't know that. I just thought your responses sometimes get stuck on barely relevant details in an obsessive fashion, so I threw an analogy out there.

[MDawg]

MDawg Wins.
The End.

Hellllllllllll yes.

[monet]

Actually, I wasn't knocking autism or Asperger's, per se. One of my guys has the nickname, "Asperger's Boy," which was bestowed upon him by his girlfriend. As I have often said, when I'm in a room with my people, I'm the dumbest guy in there by any IQ test, and I'm an old National Merit Scholar.

My point is that, when you have those abilities, sometimes those abilities become a negative, and it behooves the person hanging out with or conversing with the person with the abilities to point out when the abilities have become a drag. And that's what I'm doing.

Mission, your focus on minutia and the details of verbiage are what give you the ability to be infinitely patient describing complex processes in a way that's superior to me and most others. But on this topic, that kind of focus is causing a not seeing the forest for the trees effect. You wind up being a minutia apologist for someone who undermines all credibility for the WoV site and anyone on it.

I liken the problem to having various microscope lenses and not being able to swing from one to another to understand the bigger picture, even though your particular lenses are sharper and better than most. If you can't rotate between lenses optimally, you lose big picture views.

Where do you find the time to post?
Busy day Scamming people with your Handi-Scamming Sports Picks and Slurping Noodles with your Slant Eyed Massage Girls while constantly posting.
You sure can multi-task for a person up in age.

[Mission146]

"kewlJ would disagree? Ya think!! But while I have moved on from that and the complete re-writing of rules to do so, it is nauseating to see it happen all over again as it is with this Mdawg situation. MFraud PM's Mike constantly demanding suspensions and bannings. Don't take my word for it, ask Mike. He usually will tell you. If he is in one of his honest moods, he will tell you he is suspending someone just to get a break from Mdawgs complains for a few days or week. That is just retarded.

I don't accept that as true, but I'm not saying it isn't. I'd tell everyone (on both sides) complaining to me that they could all go fuck themselves, except I'd say it more nicely than that as I am an Admin in this hypothetical.

I've always stopped short of saying this, but I'm going to say it: All of you were better off when I was an Admin there. Serves some of you right.

[monet]

I don't accept that as true, but I'm not saying it isn't. I'd tell everyone (on both sides) complaining to me that they could all go fuck themselves, except I'd say it more nicely than that as I am an Admin in this hypothetical.

I've always stopped short of saying this, but I'm going to say it: All of you were better off when I was an Admin there. Serves some of you right.

I think I was nuked before your resignation.
Matter of fact, it is clear that my weird self banning started a chain reaction and eventual Nuke caused WoN to be Nuked and you to resign lol lol lol.
I took you bastards down with me and wasn't even trying nor did I have knowledge about StrictlyAP as it was before my time.
It was a sheer fluke lol.
I didn't know he was WoN but didn't care as I wouldn't have any dealings with WoN even after he PMed me about some great play he had to offer me lol.
I threw that PM in the trash like most PMs I receive.

Bound to happen anyway as my personality could never survive at that Forum.
And after realizing how great this VCT Forum is, I don't understand why more people aren't over here calling each other names.
This place Rules!