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[The Boz]

No dog in the fight, and if I had to bet I would bet Rob did play the DU against him not playing it. But no clue how anyone would buy anything other than a lot of drugs for 1.6M in cash. It’s just not feasible to hide that much cash in one transaction for a registered product. And anyone who could hide that much won’t disclose their methods here.

And I will never understand why Rob or KJ cares if the other is full of shit.

[coach belly]

others, whether based on my steering them in the right direction, or on their own have also looked and done their own investigating and found the same info.

Who are the others? When did any others disclose that they found the same info?

Look it up for yourself. I am not finding anything already posted for you.

You wrote above that there were others, who are the others?

No need for you to look anything up, just name the others so we can determine if you are telling the truth.

[kewlJ]

You wrote above that there were others, who are the others?

No need for you to look anything up, just name the others so we can determine if you are telling the truth.

Fuck off troll! I am not one of the Jr high boys you try to intimidate and bully before you molest them.

Although we have had these discussion many times and I am sure everyone knows the names that have spoken up previously, I am not providing you with shit.

It amazes me that you always seem to think you are someone. You are as relevant as a mouse fart.

[coach belly]

I am sure everyone knows the names that have spoken up previously

Nobody is aware of anyone else that has also looked and done their own investigating and found the same info.

You're making that up, the same way you just made up lies about me.

You're a proven and admitted liar, nothing that you write should be believed.

[kewlJ]

I am sure everyone knows the names that have spoken up previously

Nobody is aware of anyone else that has also looked and done their own investigating and found the same info.

You're making that up, the same way you just made up lies about me.

You're a proven and admitted liar, nothing that you write should be believed.

It's pretty obvious that all of Rob Singer's controversial stories are complete bullshit. Anyone who believes him at this point is either stupid or trolling. I actually believe coach belly is just a troll, and doesn't believe a word of what he writes about Rob.

The above by Dan Druff is exactly why no one wants to deal with coach belly and all his trolling. So just fuck off belly, you pervert.

[kewlJ]

Just for the hell of it here is Dan Druff's entire post. Makes for good reading. I have highlighted some of my favorite parts.

I think it is clear to everyone with a functioning brain that Rob does NOT have a Newell, never had a Newell, and has made some weak but very unconvincing attempts to keep the lie going. (The pics of him in a showroom Newell are hilarious, as is the fake for-sale ad.)

MaxPen had a very reasonable offer on the table -- and one which was free money for Rob, if he really had a Newell. His demands that Max provide his ID in advance are BS. Max, who is an anonymous person here, would be giving up his identity, and then Rob could simply make an excuse as to why they're not meeting. ("I had my people check you out, and you're dangerous. Not meeting you, sorry!")

The whole thing about needing to see Max's ID prior to meeting fails the logic test. If he were really scared of Max (which I doubt he was -- other than scared of forum humiliation), he could have offered to meet him in the parking lot of a police station. It's not like Max was demanding to take a ride in the Newell with him. There's no reason to need ID when meeting someone in a public place in broad daylight.

I compare this to when I sell old cars after buying a new one. I don't do dealer trade-ins or sell to used car dealerships, because you get terrible value. I sell private party, which does require meeting up with strangers and taking a ride with them. While the greater risk is on their end (because they're bringing cash, and I'm only bringing a vehicle which could be tracked), I still make them show me ID -- but only before we get in the car together. I would take a picture of their ID and send it to my girlfriend, in case something happened to me. However, to simply meet, I did not require any ID, because we'd be meeting in a public place, and I would have no reason to fear anything bad happening.

It is very clear to me that Rob never made big money through the double-up bug. If he did exploit that bug, he did so for relatively small money -- or at best he won via that bug, and then blew the money gambling later. Whatever the case, Rob never accumulated any real money assets via gambling, or otherwise he would have shown us by now. It's pretty obvious that all of Rob Singer's controversial stories are complete bullshit. Anyone who believes him at this point is either stupid or trolling. I actually believe coach belly is just a troll, and doesn't believe a word of what he writes about Rob.

Some people ask me why I don't ban Rob. I have stated time and time again that he's just a clown who enjoys aggravating people on forums. He isn't dangerous, isn't trying to sell anything, and isn't trying to scam anyone. He just enjoys telling tall tales and loves attention.

People ask me how I could allow someone like Rob to "mislead" people here. I counter that I've never seen any gullible people here believe Rob. His only defenders are longtime trolls and weirdos. And if you're so gullible that Rob is going to lead you down a path of -EV compulsive gambling, I can't help you. If that's the case, you have a lot bigger problems than this forum.

Now, if Rob were trying to sell a bunk gambling system (like Christopher Mitchell), I'd have put a stop to that ages ago. But he's not. He just tells tales and argues with people.

Anyway, I think this is all very clear, and Max proved what he set out to prove.

[kewlJ]

In searching for the above Dan Druff quote calling coach belly a troll, I came across another of my Dan Druff favorite quotes that bears repeating.

Rob is trolling everyone hard.

Anyone with sense knows that there's no Newell, and if he did ever take advantage of the double up bug, he did so on a smaller scale. I'm voting that he never took advantage of it at all.

No point in writing long essays about this. The situation is clear as day.

[kewlJ]

Now as to the people coach belly is inquiring about. There are 2 other members, active posters that publicly stated that they looked into Singer, and found some or most of the same information. I think everyone remembers who. I am not going to name them. Maybe they don't want to deal with smelly belly and his trolling shit all over again.

In addition, there is a 3rd member of this forum that contacted me privately. He is a low profile guy who rarely gets involved in all this back and forth, but he told me some things he found that I had not AND directed me to the specific site. I paid a few more dollars and saw that information too, some of what was a little different, that contradicted Rob's claims. I felt that particular info was not really fair for me to reveal so I have never spoken of it.

So Belly, you will get no names from me. Do your own work.

[coach belly]

Dan Druff quote calling coach belly a troll

Druff is entitled to his opinion, but it's just another opinion...it's his guess, not gospel.

The fact that he has an opinion doesn't qualify him as someone who has looked and done their own investigating of Rob Singer and found the same info that you made up out of thin air.

You constantly start shit and make up shit about plenty of members.

[coach belly]

So Belly, you will get no names from me.

You don't have any names, you're making it up...lying, just like you lie about me.

[kewlJ]

So Belly, you will get no names from me.

You don't have any names, you're making it up...lying, just like you lie about me.

Why would you think I should give you names? The people involved posted right here on this forum. Look it up yourself.

[redietz]

Years ago some forum members tracked down a house Rob claimed he owned and ID'ed the place via photos, then put together the title history and stuff.

Coach doesn't know about a lot of this because he's out of the loop. People sent me PMs about Rob's alleged home not being his, and this was literally years ago. Not everybody keeps coach up to date because...why would they? LOL.

Hey kewlJ, thanks for posting that Dan Druff post. I had never read that one. That kind of frames the whole thing. I'll argue the same thing with Dan that I argue with Mission. They tend to treat scamming to make money differently than scamming to make a reputation. My point is that most resources in life are non-material -- reputation, relationships, prestige, perceived expertise, and so on. Scamming people about one's expertise, skills, and knowledge is often worse than just picking pockets, is my point.

Anyway, carry on, coach.

And you'll notice, if coach really wanted to debunk what kewlJ says about Rob, coach would simply do the online investigative thing or hire a PI to do it for him. Then he'd have info and be able to post it here and directly challenge what kewlJ said he found.

But coach does not do that. Or has done it and doesn't have much to say. If you spend 10 seconds thinking about coach's arguments, it's pretty bizarre for him to argue with kewlJ and demand names of people who looked up Rob's personal info. Why wouldn't coach do the looking up himself? It makes zero sense unless coach is broke, and I don't think coach is broke. See, I said something nice about coach.

Anyway, kewlJ, thanks for the Druff summary. I hadn't seen it.

[coach belly]

Why would you think I should give you names?

It's clear that you won't give me any names because you don't have any names, you made it all up.

[coach belly]

hire a PI to do it for him.

Hire a PI? Yeah, right.

You really are such a child, ditz.

[redietz]

hire a PI to do it for him.

Hire a PI? Yeah, right.

You really are such a child, ditz.

Coach, you're not broke, are you? I went to bat for you not being broke in the last post. Surely if you wanted to settle this nonsense, you'd just pay for an online investigation.

[redietz]

Why would you think I should give you names?

It's clear that you won't give me any names because you don't have any names, you made it all up.

Hell, I have names, and I probably still have some of the PMs. Am I giving them to coach? Why would I?

Coach, you fail to realize that Rob's mouth made him some enemies over the decades. I'm not even in the top 10.

[coach belly]

People sent me PMs about Rob's alleged home not being his, and this was literally years ago.

If that were true, then you would post the info.

Same as the screen shot of the Cincy ticket that you promised to post if I challenged it.

Same as Singer's quote mentioning Tater.

Or the long lost Typsters and Gypsters articles you promised.

And any proof about anything else you've ever posted.

[coach belly]

Coach, you're not broke, are you?

Sonny...I'll never have enough money to pay anything to investigate Rob Singer.

[coach belly]

Why would I?

Why would you say that you have them if not willing to prove that you do?

[redietz]

Are you challenging my veracity, coach? LOL. If you send Dan $10, I'll post one of the Cincy tickets. I'll make you a deal. You send Dan $10, and I'll send Dan $500. If I don't produce at least one screenshot of a ticket worth a minimum of 50K in winnings, you keep the $500. If I do, I keep your $10. Make sure you sign the ten dollar bill, so I can frame it.

No, I wouldn't post the info, because I didn't do the research. Not my research to post.

And what are you blabbing about regarding "Tipsters or Gypsters?" Some of the standings were posted in the old Retro Road Trip thread. They are screen shots from some of the annual reports. Check with mickey. He rotated them properly after I failed to do so.


P.S. to forum devotees: I'm hoping coach isn't too broke to send Dan a sawbuck. I know it's a helluva commitment, but it's worth it to prove that I'm lying.