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[kewlJ]

Look Grampa, I don't give a rats ass what you did or didn't do for a living. This is a gambling forum and I care only about your claims related to gambling. Hell, Mdawggy was born into a very wealthy family and is now a lawyer....one of those ambulance chasing personal attorneys, but an attorney never the less. No one is disputing he has and comes from money, only that his gambling claims are a bunch of baloney. And the same with you.

Personally, I am not taking you word on any high paying aerospace careers simply because you have lied about everything else, including phony pictures of an RV that you did not own, which you recently admitted you did not own. What did you say???... "it was just like the one you owned". Plus the high paying aerospace career for both you and your wife for all those years doesn't jive with the bankruptcies, evictions and legal judgements on your publicly available records, nor the lack of real estate owned.

But like I said, I really don't care. I only care that your gambling related claims are all bogus.

As for me, don't worry about me...I am doing fine.

[mickeycrimm]

Plus the high paying aerospace career for both you and your wife for all those years doesn't jive with the bankruptcies, evictions and legal judgements on your publicly available records, nor the lack of real estate owned.

You are using the plural here "bankruptcies, evictions and legal judgements."

I found evidence of ONE bankruptcy. I'm thinking it was 1996 at least 4 years before Rob started using the progressive system.

I found ONE judgement which I think was for about $800? Thats like a small claims court thing isn't it. Pretty small potatoes.

I don't recall finding any evictions.

I found absolutely nothing about food stamps.

I did find a speeding ticket in Oregon. What a dastardly criminal act. KJ, could you give us a dissertation on what a dastardly criminal act doing 75 in a 65 is? LOL!

Anyways, you have alleged multiple bankruptcies, evictions and judgements. Could you give us some evidence so we can verify your information is correct?

[kewlJ]

Mickey you are going to great lengths to defend and fight Rob's battle this morning. If there is an eviction, legal judgement and bankruptcy in the record it is quite right to use these things in the plural. You are not saying there is multiple of each. You are saying as a group, there are 3 of these things and that makes it plural.

But since you are trying to make an issue, I will clarify that I saw 1 of each of these things. I believe the eviction and legal judgement were related. First an eviction and then a legal case brought for the money owed and the judgement sometime later. I believe somebody posted the actual legal judgement and if I am not mistaken it was in the 2000's, either in the period Rob claims to have made hundreds of thousands from his progression system or the period he now claims he played the double-up bug.

I really don't care about this kind of thing other than it asks the question, why would a guy making hundreds of thousands or millions playing video poker, who also claims that him and his wife had high paying careers before that, not be able to pay his rent and be evicted and later go to court over $800 (actually I think it was $947 or something like that), but the point is people making all the money Rob claimed, from multiple sources don't fight and lose an amount like that and have it stain their record and credit score etc.

Yeah I know Rob had all sorts of stupid answers like he wasn't in the market for a house so didn't care about his record or credit score. But yet he claimed to purchase a 1.6 million RV. Mickey, I don't so much care about that stuff, other than the timeline is right smack in the middle of his 'riches' part of his "rags to riches story and that doesn't mesh.

Now Bankruptcy, 1996. Guess what that was 2 years into the period Rob says he tried to play as an AP and failed. No surprise. Lots of losing player degenerate gambler's lose all their money, can't pay their bills and have to file for bankruptcy. What makes that strange is that it came after years, decades of this high paying job that both he and his wife had for decades. People that have high paying jobs for decades don't have to file bankruptcy because they can't pay their bills.....well unless they are a degenerate losing gambler. And forget this crap about Bankruptcy being a tool to build wealth. That is Singer bullshit. He lost all his money gambling! I am not really here to judge him, but for God's sakes look at these timelines. That tells the story not his ridiculous claims.

My issue with Singer wasn't all this stuff. It was the claims involving Progression wagering, special plays, stop limits and other voodoo concepts that defy math. That is what I was interested in challenging, but unfortunately when you look into things you see everything else that is contradicted.

[kewlJ]

Again, I don't care about Singer's so called story, other than the part with the claims that defy math. But unfortunately, looking into it, anyone with half a brain and a little bit of objectivity will see the whole story. And that story is:

In the late 90's Rob left whatever job he was working (maybe it was aerospace, maybe it was something much less), to attempt to be a video poker AP. Over 6 years he failed and lost all his money filing bankruptcy in that time.

Next he came up with this fantastical story of winning against all odds, against the math using progression wagering and "special players". The claim was 10 years of this. He wrote a book. (or was it 2 books?). He wrote for free a gambling column, trying to gain credibility and boost book sales which never amounted to much.

He went with this story for some 15 years, fighting with people like you on various forums that pointed out the inconsistencies of his story. If you were the first to make it personal with name calling that is on you, but going back and reading, everything you challenged about his claims and math was legit and warranted.

After 15 years when there was no one left that believed his ridiculous claims, he did an about face, stole an actual story of gambling "success" (I guess) and changed all the timelines to accommodate this new story. Changed everything he had claimed for 2 decades to accommodate this new stolen story.

And now, with whatever retirement income he has (surely not what he claims) he lives out his final years bouncing around between his kids and spends summer in a small camper in Tahoe and still spends his time pushing these long proven ridiculous claims.

THAT is the story of the great Rob Singer. You know it. Everyone knows it. But for some reason there are people that find the whole caper, the whole 20 year running lie and troll amusing and entertaining and admire the guy and his lies.

[Rob.Singer]

It's been just as much fun watching kew get skewered by tater and mdawg over on GF, because he just can't help himself write multiple long-winded essays in order to try and end the hurt over it all. And then of course the forum gets treated to several uncharacteristically long posts by the weirdo trying everything he can to help kew walk lightly in his loafers without stepping on any more sharp objects.

However, as slick as the kew team thinks they are in all facets of life, it was all let out of the bag today. Apparently and of course as concocted by kew, a LV book publisher is offering up front money for kew to write a blackjack book! Yes, you read that right. When no one in the history of gambling books has ever been paid money in advance to write another book on gambling (no, not Dancer, Singer, or anyone) and this is as spoken to me by Anthony Curtis, Ken Justin and Howard Schwarz. But because kew wants so much to be perceived as being oh-so-special, he produces yet another lie just to sound important. Problem is, not everyone is as dense as him or redietz.

Try again, idiots

[mcap]

It's been just as much fun watching kew get skewered by tater and mdawg over on GF, because he just can't help himself write multiple long-winded essays in order to try and end the hurt over it all. And then of course the forum gets treated to several uncharacteristically long posts by the weirdo trying everything he can to help kew walk lightly in his loafers without stepping on any more sharp objects.

However, as slick as the kew team thinks they are in all facets of life, it was all let out of the bag today. Apparently and of course as concocted by kew, a LV book publisher is offering up front money for kew to write a blackjack book! Yes, you read that right. When no one in the history of gambling books has ever been paid money in advance to write another book on gambling (no, not Dancer, Singer, or anyone) and this is as spoken to me by Anthony Curtis, Ken Justin and Howard Schwarz. But because kew wants so much to be perceived as being oh-so-special, he produces yet another lie just to sound important. Problem is, not everyone is as dense as him or redietz.

Try again, idiots

You’re wrong on no advance payments in the history of gambling writing Robbochio. Try Josh Axelrod writing about it IN HIS CARD COUNTING BOOK you old dummy.

[redietz]

It's been just as much fun watching kew get skewered by tater and mdawg over on GF, because he just can't help himself write multiple long-winded essays in order to try and end the hurt over it all. And then of course the forum gets treated to several uncharacteristically long posts by the weirdo trying everything he can to help kew walk lightly in his loafers without stepping on any more sharp objects.

However, as slick as the kew team thinks they are in all facets of life, it was all let out of the bag today. Apparently and of course as concocted by kew, a LV book publisher is offering up front money for kew to write a blackjack book! Yes, you read that right. When no one in the history of gambling books has ever been paid money in advance to write another book on gambling (no, not Dancer, Singer, or anyone) and this is as spoken to me by Anthony Curtis, Ken Justin and Howard Schwarz. But because kew wants so much to be perceived as being oh-so-special, he produces yet another lie just to sound important. Problem is, not everyone is as dense as him or redietz.

Try again, idiots

LOL. Rob, has it occurred to you that you should probably tone down the proclamations when you don't really know what you're talking about?

"When no one in the history of gambling books has ever been paid money in advance to write another book on gambling (no, not Dancer, Singer, or anyone) and this is as spoken to me by Anthony Curtis, Ken Justin, and Howard Schwarz."

Now think about what you just wrote there. It's idiotic.

I'm in the middle of a promotional online poker tournament, so I'll leave people to debate why it's idiotic. Any guesses? And I will finish this post after I get eliminated.

See, when you post something like this, not only are you lying about no advances, but you're lying about who said what to you. It's just a cavalcade of lying.

Now let me be precise here. Unless you're ridiculously famous, you usually have to furnish an outline and a sample chapter or two to get an advance. People don't say, "Here's an advance" without knowing what they're getting into. That's the way advances work.

I guess Rob doesn't know how advances work. Not surprising.

[Rob.Singer]

Plus the high paying aerospace career for both you and your wife for all those years doesn't jive with the bankruptcies, evictions and legal judgements on your publicly available records, nor the lack of real estate owned.

You are using the plural here "bankruptcies, evictions and legal judgements."

I found evidence of ONE bankruptcy. I'm thinking it was 1996 at least 4 years before Rob started using the progressive system.

I found ONE judgement which I think was for about $800? Thats like a small claims court thing isn't it. Pretty small potatoes.

I don't recall finding any evictions.

I found absolutely nothing about food stamps.

I did find a speeding ticket in Oregon. What a dastardly criminal act. KJ, could you give us a dissertation on what a dastardly criminal act doing 75 in a 65 is? LOL!

Anyways, you have alleged multiple bankruptcies, evictions and judgements. Could you give us some evidence so we can verify your information is correct?

Obviously kew can't produce any evidence of anything because he only wishes he could discredit me since I ridicule him so truthfully. And he never listens because like all queers and libtards, if it doesn't fit their narrative they they have to make up their own facts.

How is it kew, that you're able to find supposedly unflattering items yet you can't locate my or my wife's work histories? I can understand if you can't locate my work in the Federal Government from years ago. But you mean nowhere shows my wife's 33years at Honeywell as an engineer, or my VP years at Northrop-Grumman? Is that too hard...or is it simply too tough to take? Yup, because once you discover all those facts, you'll see why we were able to buy all the houses and vehicles we have been doing by transferring the money to our kids.

Well, I guess I'd be mixed up also if I had to live like you do and then have to put up with the zingers I lay upon you! But ENJOY IT--because you most probably won't last long with all those health issues.

Oh--and how many times are you gonna keep lying about "I only care about Singer's gambling claims"? when not only do I have permanent rent free status inside your previously empty head--I OWN it!

[redietz]

Rob, your comment about advances is so blatantly WRONG, and to insist that a bunch of gambling publishers backed you up -- it's ludicrous. It's goddamn stupid.

I am no expert on gambling publishing (or publishing in general) at all, but I know what you wrote is trash.

Why do you insist on pretending you are expert regarding things about which you know very little?

By the way, for the record, I was contacted by an actual publishing agency (not a vanity press or similar junk) about doing a book when I was a young man after my essay, "Scientists, Gamblers, and Magicians" was published. I was an idiot and wanted to do the book my way as opposed to a more commercial way, so I wound up killing the project. Ah, the stupidity of youth.

[redietz]

Okay, I'm out. That hurt. A guy went for a straight with a three-way all-in (the proper thing to do with three, but not two opponents) and caught it. My top two pair got bludgeoned.


I don't read very many gambling books. Rob seems to be fixated on Huntington Press kind of publishing, which is small. Many semi-established writers, even if they write primarily for magazines, get advances for writing gambling books. Off the top of my head, I'll give you two obvious examples -- James McManus, a professor at the Art Institute of Chicago, undoubtedly received an advance for "Positively Fifth Street."

Todd may know him. Okay, I verified the advance. McManus used his advance to buy into a satellite tournament, where he qualified for the Main Event.

Another off the top of my head example. Larry Merchant's book, The National Football Lottery. Obviously about sports betting. Great book. He took his 10K advance and used it to gamble on the NFL with legal and illegal books around the country.

Now those are two obvious, famous examples of people who on record received and used their advances in the writing of their books.

So Rob was -- lying. I mean, what other word is there? Why he insists on proclaiming shit he knows nothing about is beyond me.

By the way, both of these books are great. Buy them. Read them. You'll learn something, and they are very well written.

[Rob.Singer]

Rob, your comment about advances is so blatantly WRONG, and to insist that a bunch of gambling publishers backed you up -- it's ludicrous. It's goddamn stupid.

I am no expert on gambling publishing (or publishing in general) at all, but I know what you wrote is trash.

Why do you insist on pretending you are expert regarding things about which you know very little?

By the way, for the record, I was contacted by an actual publishing agency (not a vanity press or similar junk) about doing a book when I was a young man after my essay, "Scientists, Gamblers, and Magicians" was published. I was an idiot and wanted to do the book my way as opposed to a more commercial way, so I wound up killing the project. Ah, the stupidity of youth.

You're so full of shit red. Everything I said is exactly the way it went down. I could easily tell you were only doing what you do when you get caught lying about the many things you lie about: you automatically deflect to having this uncanny knowledge about someone or something related to the subject. Then you show how shaken you are using a weak, unsupported allegation, by immediately posting almost non-stop about the same subject IN YET ANOTHER CLOWN-AUTHORED POST! And you can call those guys I talked to if you have the gonads to.... if they'll even talk to a quack like you.

So go ahead--produce proof on ANYONE who's ever received an offer of an advance to write their first ever gambling book (insert multiple belly laughs!)

[redietz]

First of all -- LOL -- Rob is trying to move goalposts. Now it's "an offer of an advance to write their first-ever gambling book." A few posts back it was "when no one in the history of gambling books has ever been paid money in advance to write another book on gambling." Now, see, these are two different things. Quite different.

But let's see if it makes a difference. I suspect it won't.

Let's take James McManus first. Was "Positively Fifth Street" his FIRST gambling book? Why yes, it was. He followed it up six years later with "Cowboys Full: The Story of Poker."

So McManus got an advance for his FIRST gambling book. I strongly suspect he also got an advance for his SECOND gambling book. Now I could be wrong on that, Rob. What do you think?

Now let's examine Larry Merchant. It turns out The National Football Lottery was his FIRST gambling book. And he received an advance. He used the advance to gamble on the NFL and reported the results in the book.

Correct me if I'm incorrect, but I guess what I just did was I "produced proof of ANYONE who's ever received an offer of an advance to write their first ever gambling book."

Both of these authors received advances for their first gambling books. And these guys were just off the top of my head, Rob. I guess when you've been gambling as long as I have, you tend to remember a thing or three.

Rob, you got caught lying again. Just ridiculous. Now why don't you man up and say that you were completely wrong?

Belly laugh. Belly laugh. Belly laugh. Need I go on?

[Rob.Singer]

Hey Mickey! Hey Axel! Hey Max! (Hey Frank K, sorry you missed out). Hey AP's everywhere! There's a publisher who's willing to hand you over AN ADVANCE TO A FIRST-TIME GAMBLING BOOK WRITER!!

It's gotta be true! I mean, kew said it's happened to HIM, and none other than REDIETZ says it's so.

Just name your figure

[Rob.Singer]

First of all -- LOL -- Rob is trying to move goalposts. Now it's "an offer of an advance to write their first-ever gambling book." A few posts back it was "when no one in the history of gambling books has ever been paid money in advance to write another book on gambling." Now, see, these are two different things. Quite different.

But let's see if it makes a difference. I suspect it won't.

Let's take James McManus first. Was "Positively Fifth Street" his FIRST gambling book? Why yes, it was. He followed it up six years later with "Cowboys Full: The Story of Poker."

So McManus got an advance for his FIRST gambling book. I strongly suspect he also got an advance for his SECOND gambling book. Now I could be wrong on that, Rob. What do you think?

Now let's examine Larry Merchant. It turns out The National Football Lottery was his FIRST gambling book. And he received an advance. He used the advance to gamble on the NFL and reported the results in the book.

Correct me if I'm incorrect, but I guess what I just did was I "produced proof of ANYONE who's ever received an offer of an advance to write their first ever gambling book."

Both of these authors received advances for their first gambling books. And these guys were just off the top of my head, Rob. I guess when you've been gambling as long as I have, you tend to remember a thing or three.

Rob, you got caught lying again. Just ridiculous. Now why don't you man up and say that you were completely wrong?

Belly laugh. Belly laugh. Belly laugh. Need I go on?

You know what I meant red, ESPECIALLY after we both read kew's claim. And typical of a weirdo like you, when I used the word "another" it referred to gambling books in general and not anything follow-on by a single author. BTW: I'm a gambling book author. I'M also a follow-on gambling book author. Kinda tough to handle, right? Just ask your half-baked buddy.

One more thing: please produce evidence supporting how much and who gave those FIRST-TIME gambling book writers their advances. What's that? AP's and sports bettors don't have to support anything they say because of the math? Hahahahaha!

[redietz]

Hey Mickey! Hey Axel! Hey Max! (Hey Frank K, sorry you missed out). Hey AP's everywhere! There's a publisher who's willing to hand you over AN ADVANCE TO A FIRST-TIME GAMBLING BOOK WRITER!!

It's gotta be true! I mean, kew said it's happened to HIM, and none other than REDIETZ says it's so.

Just name your figure

I know this may come as a shock to you, Rob. But when I mentioned McManus and Merchant, people probably googled them. So the idea that I was lying is going to require my hijacking and changing Wikipedia and all google references to these two writers.

And those two were, as I said, off the top of my head. I didn't need to do research to come up with them.

Here's a thought, Rob -- tell the truth on occasion.

Anyone interested should just google McManus and Merchant. I imagine the publishers gave them their advances. That is how it generally works.

Rob got caught lying through his teeth again. And then he unravels. As usual.

I was surprised when I googled Merchant that The National Football Lottery was his only listed book on Wikipedia. Merchant had written for newspapers and Sports Illustrated, so I assumed he'd done other books. But it seems like The National Football Lottery was not only his first gambling book. It may have been his only book.

[kewlJ]

This guy Singer is wrong about almost everything he writes. It is almost scary to see someone be wrong so often.

Someone else brought up a book on another forum so reiterated the book deal I had 3 or 4 years ago, that I spoke about HERE at the time. Yes I did receive a small advance to write the book from a publisher here in LV. I worked on it for about 6 months, covering my early years playing Atlantic City and first couple years in Las Vegas. I realized I was not going to be able to finish and come up to date because that would be too fresh and place me in jeopardy and being I was still an active player and intend to be for a few years to come that current just wasn't going to work.

I also was having a issue with the publisher. I wanted the book to be free to almost anyone. While I knew that really wasn't possible, I really wanted a free downloadable option. The publisher wasn't having any of that. I thought we could settle on a $1.99 download fee or something in that range and was told that is impossible. That there is a weird structure set up that the publisher made no money unless the download fee was more than $5 and didn't make enough money for it to be worth his while unless the download fee was $9.99 or more. I really didn't want that. With such a limited target audience, I wanted a book that would be available to anyone practically free.

In the end between the financial issue and me not feeling I could come up to date and include anything recent we agreed to cancel the deal, I repaid him the small advance money and even a penalty for breaking the deal and we went our separate ways with some bad feelings between us, mainly on his end. It took him about a month to replace me with another card counter and his story and that book has been out for several years now.

But none of this is new. It was all discussed right here 3-4 years ago. I guess it is just new to Rob because of his dementia. Hey Rob, I guess with your dementia, you make new friends every day. It's the same people from yesterday, but new to you.

[kewlJ]

And as for Mickey, Axel, Maxpen, well Axel and MaxPen barely speak of anything they EVER do, so it is hard to see them sharing their story in a book, although it would be a very interesting read to me. Mickey's story would be absolutely incredible if he ever decided to write it and have it published. We all have the same issue in that a gambling type book has a very limited specific audience, but Mickey's story would resonate wider than most.

[redietz]

And as for Mickey, Axel, Maxpen, well Axel and MaxPen barely speak of anything they EVER do, so it is hard to see them sharing their story in a book, although it would be a very interesting read to me. Mickey's story would be absolutely incredible if he ever decided to write it and have it published. We all have the same issue in that a gambling type book has a very limited specific audience, but Mickey's story would resonate wider than most.

Mickey's story would make a fine bio.

As I mentioned elsewhere, your story would make a fine bio. It checks all the current boxes and then some. You'd just need some type of closure act -- MDawg gets exposed and blows a wad doing his progressive thing in front of an audience he doesn't know is there. You get doxed and live happily ever after when your book contract turns into a film deal. Don't laugh. Affleck and Damon are into this stuff. There's all kinds of political resonance when a gay card counter makes good despite conservative scam artist video poker and baccarat players trying to take him down.

[kewlJ]

There is one other aspect to the timing of my book "interest" that if I am being honest, I should mention. My interest peaked immediately after I was banned at WoV for the first time. I'll distinguish the "first time" because although there has not yet been a second time, I think many of us suspect there will someday.

So my interest peaked at that particular time because at the end when we got up to date, I wanted to get into the gambling forums, and forum wars and particularly my view on some of these forum administrators, that abandon the math for which they made their name in favor of forum traffic and allowing nonsense they know is BS. Something I still have an issue with today. I thought it would be my platform to say my piece, including just what I thought of them for that position.

That probably would have opened the door to legal trouble and law suits, so I am sort of glad I didn't go that route. Nothing good could have come from it. I have been able to express my views on that here and other forums, and know that those I wanted to know those views read them.

[redietz]

First of all -- LOL -- Rob is trying to move goalposts. Now it's "an offer of an advance to write their first-ever gambling book." A few posts back it was "when no one in the history of gambling books has ever been paid money in advance to write another book on gambling." Now, see, these are two different things. Quite different.

But let's see if it makes a difference. I suspect it won't.

Let's take James McManus first. Was "Positively Fifth Street" his FIRST gambling book? Why yes, it was. He followed it up six years later with "Cowboys Full: The Story of Poker."

So McManus got an advance for his FIRST gambling book. I strongly suspect he also got an advance for his SECOND gambling book. Now I could be wrong on that, Rob. What do you think?

Now let's examine Larry Merchant. It turns out The National Football Lottery was his FIRST gambling book. And he received an advance. He used the advance to gamble on the NFL and reported the results in the book.

Correct me if I'm incorrect, but I guess what I just did was I "produced proof of ANYONE who's ever received an offer of an advance to write their first ever gambling book."

Both of these authors received advances for their first gambling books. And these guys were just off the top of my head, Rob. I guess when you've been gambling as long as I have, you tend to remember a thing or three.

Rob, you got caught lying again. Just ridiculous. Now why don't you man up and say that you were completely wrong?

Belly laugh. Belly laugh. Belly laugh. Need I go on?

You know what I meant red, ESPECIALLY after we both read kew's claim. And typical of a weirdo like you, when I used the word "another" it referred to gambling books in general and not anything follow-on by a single author. BTW: I'm a gambling book author. I'M also a follow-on gambling book author. Kinda tough to handle, right? Just ask your half-baked buddy.

One more thing: please produce evidence supporting how much and who gave those FIRST-TIME gambling book writers their advances. What's that? AP's and sports bettors don't have to support anything they say because of the math? Hahahahaha!

Just for the record, Rob, I recall the Merchant advance, which he discusses in the book as it's a pivotal ongoing bankroll, at 10K. I'm not going to google check it -- it's possible it was 20K, but I seem to remember 10K. The McManus advance -- you'd have to read the book. It is mentioned in there, but I don't remember it. The McManus advance is mentioned on Wikipedia.