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[Rob.Singer]

So I'm looking up "sports betting, linemasters results" and find nothing. Red gets questioned about that and comes up with an excuse.

This has been the theme with him for years. Never any support,always some excuse as to why none of his exploits appear online. And now we have some girlfriend who goes balls to the wall in this tournament. That doesn't matter anyway. What were interested in is how accurate HE is in actual picks....preferably, BEFORE the games are played--and not hers. And while it's nice to hear about some lady who makes "impossible" picks, how do we know she even KNOWS redietz?

Why all the smoke and mirrors red....and instead of clouding your picture with some unknown gal, JUST POST SOME PICKS for a few weeks BEFORE the games are played for a change!

[kewlJ]

We know. You only joined forums so you could "share experiences and learn from other AP's"!

Hahahahahahahaha hahaha!!!!!

That's right I did. But YOU made sure that this isn't that kind of forum with actual discussion of gambling experiences. Because you are bitter and angry at any players that actually win, you made sure this is a troll forum instead with all your attacks and gay sexual fantasies.

[Rob.Singer]

We know. You only joined forums so you could "share experiences and learn from other AP's"!

Hahahahahahahaha hahaha!!!!!

That's right I did. But YOU made sure that this isn't that kind of forum with actual discussion of gambling experiences. Because you are bitter and angry at any players that actually win, you made sure this is a troll forum instead.

If you had any discipline or self-control, you'd completely ignore all the other noise. But you know what kew? People who concoct things and then get hammered for it do exactly what you do: they NEVER stop trying to change critics' minds and soon begin to lie about THEM and insert personal attacks, instead of making fun of it all. And you do all this--right down to the fake death and how Moses supposedly visited you to kill you--simply because you just can't get people to buy into all your bullshit.

You love the taste of the whip.

[redietz]

[QUOTE=Rob.Singer;135848]

It's a private competition. Most of the people in it, outside of the occasional sports book manager, are bigger horse players. Many are in the NHC Championship and on the NTRA tour.

So what would your response be to what Rob posted in that thread? If you were me, how would you respond?

So red, are you now saying that some obscure "girlfriend" does your trade better than you?

What's her name, so we can look her up? Is her record better than yours?

She undoubtedly does my trade as well as me, maybe better. Depends on your betting style and emphases. I would say her record over the last five years is better than mine.

But then, to put things in proper perspective, her record over the last five years is better than anyone's. She did take last year off due to Covid messing everything up, while I soldiered through.

[redietz]

So I'm looking up "sports betting, linemasters results" and find nothing. Red gets questioned about that and comes up with an excuse.

This has been the theme with him for years. Never any support,always some excuse as to why none of his exploits appear online. And now we have some girlfriend who goes balls to the wall in this tournament. That doesn't matter anyway. What were interested in is how accurate HE is in actual picks....preferably, BEFORE the games are played--and not hers. And while it's nice to hear about some lady who makes "impossible" picks, how do we know she even KNOWS redietz?

Why all the smoke and mirrors red....and instead of clouding your picture with some unknown gal, JUST POST SOME PICKS for a few weeks BEFORE the games are played for a change!

Tell you what, if you put up $10 with Dan, I'll put up $500, and we'll all get together and check out the results the next time you're in Las Vegas. Those results will be posted for years, so take your time. But please don't die. I need the ten bucks.

In fact, we can even get together and call the folks who have run the contest. It'll be a fun. Rob gets to debunk me, I pay him $500, and we all have a nice dinner at Vic and Anthony's. Wait, Dan doesn't like Vic and Anthony's. Almost forgot. Well, no problem. The Nugget opened a second steakhouse, so we'll try that one.

Can you afford a sawbuck, Rob? And don't forget to sign it, for the trophy case.

[Ozzy]

So I'm looking up "sports betting, linemasters results" and find nothing. Red gets questioned about that and comes up with an excuse.

This has been the theme with him for years. Never any support,always some excuse as to why none of his exploits appear online. And now we have some girlfriend who goes balls to the wall in this tournament. That doesn't matter anyway. What were interested in is how accurate HE is in actual picks....preferably, BEFORE the games are played--and not hers. And while it's nice to hear about some lady who makes "impossible" picks, how do we know she even KNOWS redietz?

Why all the smoke and mirrors red....and instead of clouding your picture with some unknown gal, JUST POST SOME PICKS for a few weeks BEFORE the games are played for a change!

Tell you what, if you put up $10 with Dan, I'll put up $500, and we'll all get together and check out the results the next time you're in Las Vegas. Those results will be posted for years, so take your time. But please don't die. I need the ten bucks.

In fact, we can even get together and call the folks who have run the contest. It'll be a fun. Rob gets to debunk me, I pay him $500, and we all have a nice dinner at Vic and Anthony's. Wait, Dan doesn't like Vic and Anthony's. Almost forgot. Well, no problem. The Nugget opened a second steakhouse, so we'll try that one.

Can you afford a sawbuck, Rob? And don't forget to sign it, for the trophy case.

You and Rob meeting up would be another doozy LOL.

[coach belly]

LineMasters is an annual season-long football handicapping contest with about 50 invitation only people, primarily high end horse bettors but with a smattering of heavy sports hitters. It's a private competition. Most of the people in it, outside of the occasional sports book manager, are bigger horse players. Many are in the NHC Championship and on the NTRA tour.

How did the girlfriend score the invitation?

People were signing up for LineMasters and just putting in random picks so they could see who she took each week

Doesn't seem like a serious contest.

These people signing up and putting in random picks were among the 50 invitees?

How many legit entrants were there?

[redietz]

LineMasters is an annual season-long football handicapping contest with about 50 invitation only people, primarily high end horse bettors but with a smattering of heavy sports hitters. It's a private competition. Most of the people in it, outside of the occasional sports book manager, are bigger horse players. Many are in the NHC Championship and on the NTRA tour.

How did the girlfriend score the invitation?

People were signing up for LineMasters and just putting in random picks so they could see who she took each week

Doesn't seem like a serious contest.

These people signing up and putting in random picks were among the 50 invitees?

How many legit entrants were there?

That must be it, coach.

For those who can do math, her winning percentage was 63%. For the entire season. In a format where you had to take six games every week.

Boz will know what this means. KewlJ might. Todd certainly does.

The two runners-up were at 62.6%. For an entire season.

Looks like some serious handicapping to me. But who am I to judge?

Coach, if you send me your address, I'll ship you a nice calculator for Christmas.

P.S. Coach, like you, I didn't score an 800 on the math SAT like the girlfriend's brother, so I know how you feel. I have to use a calculator on many occasions.

[Rob.Singer]

So I'm looking up "sports betting, linemasters results" and find nothing. Red gets questioned about that and comes up with an excuse.

This has been the theme with him for years. Never any support,always some excuse as to why none of his exploits appear online. And now we have some girlfriend who goes balls to the wall in this tournament. That doesn't matter anyway. What were interested in is how accurate HE is in actual picks....preferably, BEFORE the games are played--and not hers. And while it's nice to hear about some lady who makes "impossible" picks, how do we know she even KNOWS redietz?

Why all the smoke and mirrors red....and instead of clouding your picture with some unknown gal, JUST POST SOME PICKS for a few weeks BEFORE the games are played for a change!

Tell you what, if you put up $10 with Dan, I'll put up $500, and we'll all get together and check out the results the next time you're in Las Vegas. Those results will be posted for years, so take your time. But please don't die. I need the ten bucks.

In fact, we can even get together and call the folks who have run the contest. It'll be a fun. Rob gets to debunk me, I pay him $500, and we all have a nice dinner at Vic and Anthony's. Wait, Dan doesn't like Vic and Anthony's. Almost forgot. Well, no problem. The Nugget opened a second steakhouse, so we'll try that one.

Can you afford a sawbuck, Rob? And don't forget to sign it, for the trophy case.

You and Rob meeting up would be another doozy LOL.

What does this mean "the results will be posted for years"? Where, and why can't you just post them here? Just more of the same from you.

Either way, why are you using this girlfriend's results as a replacement for what we want to see from YOU? Are you saying her picks were made under your tutelage? WTF??

This is called more redietz deflection. Nothing is ever available online in 2021. Kew is probably having a blast with that one!

[redietz]

Tell you what, if you put up $10 with Dan, I'll put up $500, and we'll all get together and check out the results the next time you're in Las Vegas. Those results will be posted for years, so take your time. But please don't die. I need the ten bucks.

In fact, we can even get together and call the folks who have run the contest. It'll be a fun. Rob gets to debunk me, I pay him $500, and we all have a nice dinner at Vic and Anthony's. Wait, Dan doesn't like Vic and Anthony's. Almost forgot. Well, no problem. The Nugget opened a second steakhouse, so we'll try that one.

Can you afford a sawbuck, Rob? And don't forget to sign it, for the trophy case.

You and Rob meeting up would be another doozy LOL.

What does this mean "the results will be posted for years"? Where, and why can't you just post them here? Just more of the same from you.

Either way, why are you using this girlfriend's results as a replacement for what we want to see from YOU? Are you saying her picks were made under your tutelage? WTF??

Not at all. She is a force of nature. We almost never take the same teams. As in maybe once a year.

The LineMasters results are available for years. You can go back and data mine everything.

Just send a sawbuck to Dan and let me know when you want to get together in Las Vegas next time. We'll invite the whole forum crew and look up the results. It might be convenient to schedule it during the NHC Championship so other LineMasters contestants can add their two cents. The guy who ran it up until two years ago will surely be there. Maybe the guy running it now.

I'll put up $500 against your 10. It'll be great.

[coach belly]

I have to use a calculator on many occasions.

I'm not sure that a calculator would help with determining her winning % from the contest parameters you outlined below.

But feel free to show your work.

the format each week is that you pick six games against the spread and rank them from one to six. If your top game wins, you get six points and so on down to your sixth game gets one point. You can earn 21 points a week.

she went 21-0, 18-3, and 16-5 the final three weeks to win with a score of 172. People did really well down the stretch, and two guys finished tied for second with 171 points.

How did she qualify for an invitation?

What was the entry fee? How much did she win?

How many players out of 50 signed up just to see her picks each week?

[redietz]

I have to use a calculator on many occasions.

I'm not sure that a calculator would help with determining her winning % from the contest parameters you outlined below.

But feel free to show your work.

the format each week is that you pick six games against the spread and rank them from one to six. If your top game wins, you get six points and so on down to your sixth game gets one point. You can earn 21 points a week.

she went 21-0, 18-3, and 16-5 the final three weeks to win with a score of 172. People did really well down the stretch, and two guys finished tied for second with 171 points.

How did she qualify for an invitation?

What was the entry fee? How much did she win?

How many players out of 50 signed up just to see her picks each week?

I have to admit, three people cracking 62.6% over the course of 273 points is really something, especially in this small a contest. Very rare.

[coach belly]

three people cracking 62.6% over the course of 273 points

In any given week, if your top 5 games win, you earn 20 points (6+5+4+3+2)

Is your winning percentage 95.2% (20/21) or is it 83.3% (5/6) ?

[redietz]

three people cracking 62.6% over the course of 273 points

In any given week, if your top 5 games win, you earn 20 points (6+5+4+3+2)

Is your winning percentage 95.2% (20/21) or is it 83.3% (5/6) ?

Since LineMasters is a points-based contest, it's 95.2%.

[coach belly]

For those who can do math, her winning percentage was 63%. For the entire season.
In a format where you had to take six games every week.

Boz will know what this means. KewlJ might. Todd certainly does.

Since LineMasters is a points-based contest, it's 95.2%.

A player can get to 195 points by going 39-39 for the season.

So Boz & Druff would know that a 63% winning percentage could mean that she went 3-3 each week?

Is that what you really meant?

[Rob.Singer]

Red, because you're so invested in garnering my respect for you as a sports betting expert, allow me to propose a very simple task over these next four weeks:

I ask that you select and post 8 NFL games over weeks 15-18. Just the games and/or the overs/unders please. I'll do the same. That's 32 picks before the games are played. I'll start a new thread for this. If I win, no big deal, but you stop with the nonsense about me. If you win, I'll apologize and never badmouth you or anything related to you again. I will believe what you claim. But if you come out ahead, it has to be with a 50% or better record.

This is fair, right? There's no gotchas, no hidden stuff, and nothing even remotely nefarious.

OK?

[accountinquestion]

Red, because you're so invested in garnering my respect for you as a sports betting expert, allow me to propose a very simple task over these next four weeks:

I ask that you select and post 8 NFL games over weeks 15-18. Just the games and/or the overs/unders please. I'll do the same. That's 32 picks before the games are played. I'll start a new thread for this. If I win, no big deal, but you stop with the nonsense about me. If you win, I'll apologize and never badmouth you or anything related to you again. I will believe what you claim. But if you come out ahead, it has to be with a 50% or better record.

This is fair, right? There's no gotchas, no hidden stuff, and nothing even remotely nefarious.

OK?

What are the lines sourced from? You can't just go making up spreads and such. I'd like to see this thread.

Also - Rob asking for mercy. LOL

If needed I can post lines a few days before game time or something then yall can pick from those lines?

Maybe I'm missing something?

[Rob.Singer]

Red, because you're so invested in garnering my respect for you as a sports betting expert, allow me to propose a very simple task over these next four weeks:

I ask that you select and post 8 NFL games over weeks 15-18. Just the games and/or the overs/unders please. I'll do the same. That's 32 picks before the games are played. I'll start a new thread for this. If I win, no big deal, but you stop with the nonsense about me. If you win, I'll apologize and never badmouth you or anything related to you again. I will believe what you claim. But if you come out ahead, it has to be with a 50% or better record.

This is fair, right? There's no gotchas, no hidden stuff, and nothing even remotely nefarious.

OK?

What are the lines sourced from? You can't just go making up spreads and such. I'd like to see this thread.

Also - Rob asking for mercy. LOL

If needed I can post lines a few days before game time or something then yall can pick from those lines?

Maybe I'm missing something?

You ARE missing something, as usual, because you're looking for fault driven by a bias. Leave it to you to stick your foot into your mouth before any decisions are made. Oh wait--you and mickey are "tight". (I thought I'd throw that irrelevant fact in there before you did again).

Red's the expert. Anything I'm missing then I'll trust him to have it covered. It's that simple.

[redietz]

Red, because you're so invested in garnering my respect for you as a sports betting expert, allow me to propose a very simple task over these next four weeks:

I ask that you select and post 8 NFL games over weeks 15-18. Just the games and/or the overs/unders please. I'll do the same. That's 32 picks before the games are played. I'll start a new thread for this. If I win, no big deal, but you stop with the nonsense about me. If you win, I'll apologize and never badmouth you or anything related to you again. I will believe what you claim. But if you come out ahead, it has to be with a 50% or better record.

This is fair, right? There's no gotchas, no hidden stuff, and nothing even remotely nefarious.

OK?

LOL. If you read the Retro Road Trip thread and checked the McCusker Report pages posted there, you'd see that I was billed as a "college football specialist." NFL games comprise, at most, 10% of my betting volume any given year, and that's a stretch.

I don't even think I'm ahead in the NFL this year -- I'd have to pin down the math precisely, but I think I may be negative. It's close to a wash.

Anybody who bets exclusively, or even mainly, on the NFL, well, God Bless You and good luck with that. You're looking at lifetime whizzbang shop-'til-you-drop guys hitting somewhere between 54 and 55%, at best. My NFL totals are in that range, but not my sides.

Can you imagine being labeled as expert or not based on four weeks of covid-laced NFL games at the tail end of a season? May as well just have an octopus pick games for you.

[Rob.Singer]

Red, because you're so invested in garnering my respect for you as a sports betting expert, allow me to propose a very simple task over these next four weeks:

I ask that you select and post 8 NFL games over weeks 15-18. Just the games and/or the overs/unders please. I'll do the same. That's 32 picks before the games are played. I'll start a new thread for this. If I win, no big deal, but you stop with the nonsense about me. If you win, I'll apologize and never badmouth you or anything related to you again. I will believe what you claim. But if you come out ahead, it has to be with a 50% or better record.

This is fair, right? There's no gotchas, no hidden stuff, and nothing even remotely nefarious.

OK?

LOL. If you read the Retro Road Trip thread and checked the McCusker Report pages posted there, you'd see that I was billed as a "college football specialist." NFL games comprise, at most, 10% of my betting volume any given year, and that's a stretch.

I don't even think I'm ahead in the NFL this year -- I'd have to pin down the math precisely, but I think I may be negative. It's close to a wash.

Anybody who bets exclusively, or even mainly, on the NFL, well, God Bless You and good luck with that.

Can you imagine being labeled as expert or not on four weeks of covid-laced NFL games at the tail end of a season? May as well just have an octopus pick games for you.

Huh? You're actually backing out because the NFL isn't your main squeeze? C'mon man!
Even if it isn't, doesn't your training and knowledge PRACTICALLY GUARANTEE that you'll do much better than someone who knows nothing about sports betting?

Here is your opportunity to trounce me and shut my mouth. Instead, in front of the people you so desperately try to convince that you're the real deal, you run for the hills with such a pathetic excuse. I'll bet if I told your "girlfriend" about this she'd tell you to ball up.

Let's do this!