No I don't. What I want is for claims to be real. To stand up to 1) the math and 2) the way things actually work.Originally Posted by soxfan
Our friend Maddog is doubling down on his 1-20 spread playing double deck at private tables at one of the sweatiest strip casinos. And that is not the way it works. Take 2 minutes and read and you just might learn something, or you can just troll based on what you don't know.
Let me give you and he a little history lesson. Have you heard of or remember the Mindplay technology used by surveillance to supposedly "end card counting". Mindplay came to be sometime right around when my career started 2004 and ceased to be in I believe 2007, when a lawsuit was won saying that casinos could not use Mindplay the way they were using it. (I will get back to Mindplay in a bit).
So after Mindplay, one of the big technological advances to "thwart" card counters was the use of computer software to evaluate a player. This is something I have dealt with and learned how to avoid most of my time playing Vegas. Here is how computerized software evaluations work:
Upon seeing a player spreading more than about 1-4 and/or especially at higher denomination play, a computerized evaluation is order, which occurs in surveillance. It requires the input of data for up to two cycles showing positive counts to where the player would raise his bets. The input of data can either be done through a keyboard or through voice input, either way requiring a human being and getting 2 cycles of data can take from as little as 15-20 minutes at a double deck game to 45 minutes to an hour at a 6 deck game. They need 2 complete cycles to be, I forget the number they are looking for, maybe 90% sure the player is moving money with the count.
So simply, the way to beat this evaluation is to play short sessions and not provide 2 complete cycles. I have done this for 13 years, exiting after my first max bet cycle, rather than retreating to play a second cycle starting at the small bet and showing spread again. They never get 2 cycles from me. AND because I play anonymously, they can't string together several "partial" evaluations. Well they could, but it would take some extra work. They couldn't just put this partial evaluation of Joe Smoe aside until the next time he shows his card and plays.
This technology was only implemented by the higher end casinos against higher end players, because it takes time and an extra person for the inputting of data. But Maddog, the way he is describing his play would be that top priority, a higher limit player, playing private table no less, claiming to use a 1-20 spread, known to the casino, so even a partial evaluation wouldn't save him. He would last about 20 minutes worth of play, 30 minutes if they wanted to be extra certain and that amount of play could even be broken up over 2 sessions. So what he is claiming he gets away with just cannot be! And especially at one of the higher end sweatier strip casinos.
Ok, now back to Mindplay. The Mindplay evaluations were automated. They didn't require an extra person inputting data, although at that time, they did require a special table and chips. But understand the ruling against Mindplay, ONLY pertained to what the casinos did once they had the information. They would immediately signal the dealer to shuffle away player advantage decks (preferential shuffling), which alters the odds and outcome of the game and is illegal. Think in terms of the non-card counter, recreational player, flat betting. All the good counts removed or shuffled on, yet the negative or bad counts all played out resulting in a much higher house advantage. THAT is why Mindplay was illegal. Not the tracking itself, but what they did with that information to alter the game.
So while Mindplay ceased to be, there could very well be now or in the future a very similar completely automated system to evaluate players, one that doesn't even require a special table and chips, as long as they only use that information to back off and bar players, not to alter the game. If that hasn't happened already, it will occur, and the first places that will utilize it, will be the larger strip casinos, especially the place Maddog plays at his private table. They will be first in line, if they don't already utilize something of this sort, which they probably do. THAT is why we stay away from the high-end strip casinos that race for the latest technology.
So whether that already exists or they are still using the software that requires a human input for evaluations, Maddog's claim just can't be at the location he claims. Got it?
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