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  1. #61
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Yes, this is what's most interesting to me. But again, it's not what shows on the tax returns. Anybody can put anything on a tax return. What would be of interest is some documentation from the IRS that the unusual deductions held up to the IRS scrutiny and he could in fact deduct such things as groceries for a business meal deduction. We don't need his tax returns for that -- we need an opinion from the IRS.
    I don't have any problem with a sch-c from Robs desk drawer. If its totally made up that's OK too. It's for educational purposes only. He doesn't have to prove anything.

  2. #62
    OK-getting bored with this show--I think it's a re-run. Where's Mr. JJJ when we need him.

  3. #63
    Maybe to get some excitement here I need to have my cousin run another million hand simulation and when it doesn't mirror the ER, Arci can have a post menopausal rant.

    Can we move on from this nonsense already. Nothing is ever going to be proven, and no common ground will be found. You either believe Rob won or you don't.

  4. #64
    I don't doubt Rob won. I just want to know about deducting groceries.

  5. #65
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    I don't doubt Rob won. I just want to know about deducting groceries.
    Correct Alan. If Rob doesn't step up then He's lying case closed.

  6. #66
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    I don't doubt Rob won. I just want to know about deducting groceries.
    Alan,

    Why do you not doubt Rob? What evidence in any form has he provided you that he has not provided everyone else with?

    Going back (maybe 2 years?) you started a very good thread about people claiming they had successful gambling systems. You listed 5(?) things a "charlatan" could do to try and fool people into believing in the validity of their system. One of the things you listed was including large wagers against non-believers of their system in order to get people to back down. Anyways, I was searching for that thread but could not find it. Would you be able to comment on it to bring it back up to the front page, or tell me what the title was so that I can find it? I think it was titled something like "It's Easy to Come Up with a Gambling System" or something like that.

    Thanks.

  7. #67
    Rob...oh...Rob....are you there?

  8. #68
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Personally I cannot consider a tax return as proof that anyone's strategy or method of play is superior. There are too many other factors that affect the bottom line in video poker and "luck" is the number one factor -- not the strategy followed, not the use of win and loss goals, not the prayers recited when dealt four to the royal, etc.

    And because tax returns don't prove anything, I think looking at tax returns has no purpose at all. Rather, I would like to know the reasoning behind different strategies.
    If you can verify you are looking a person's actual tax return, and I think you can if you get both mine and Rob's, then you can verify if we have been honest or lying. He has claimed he won every year. If he were to provide a set of tax returns chosen by another person and those returns all showed wins then it would appear he has been honest. Anything else indicates he has been lying.

    I agree it has nothing to do with the validity of a system, however it does tell us whether the people making claims about those systems have been honest. And, that is really the most important issue.

    As for the validity of systems, we already know the answer to that question. We have mathematics.

  9. #69
    Originally Posted by quahaug View Post
    Rob...oh...Rob....are you there?
    It is looking more and more like you will never see any returns from Singer. Absolute proof he's been lying. You can tell he's in a panic over the whole thing with all the other BS he's been slinging. Singer is a pathological liar, that has already been shown over and over again. This just adds a little icing on the cake.

  10. #70
    really simple to end the tax return issue----both of you get the form to Alan by next friday. He then sends it in to IRS.

    Case closed.

    But that will never happen here because this has become a life unto itself and arci and singer seem to need this and, I assume neither really wants to do ir or it would have been done already.

  11. #71
    The fact is, when it comes to playing video poker as it currently exists in Las Vegas, it might be a good idea to consult the stated conclusions of the guy who posted here who put in the most hours, did the most surveying and math analysis, and has the most hands on, city-wide experience. That would be -- not Alan (God no), not Rob, not Arci, not anybody else but Frank.

    He said it was currently a high risk endeavor with risk of ruin running many times what it was a decade ago and potential for profit running a fraction of what it was a decade ago. In other words, for any serious amounts, a fool's errand.

    As far as criticizing Dancer, people have been gentle. Did anybody read between the lines of his "I got ripped off" article? It's not explicitly stated, but it seems pretty likely he had recruited the guy who ripped him off to collect free play using his card while Dancer was 2500 miles away. Now this is done in an under-the-table kind of way by family members all the time -- it could be done at Pechanga, for example -- but we're talking about a guy winging his way around the country trying to establish other people as him to collect free play. That would be frowned upon by management, one would think.
    Last edited by redietz; 09-07-2013 at 05:04 AM.

  12. #72
    The reason why I don't doubt that Rob won big money is because he played high denominations. You don't have to be brain surgeon or a computer wiz to win big money playing high denomination video poker. You only have to get lucky.

    In fact, being smart, being educated, and playing with "proper strategy" isn't enough to win at video poker. Because if you do win, what are you winning? Pennies.

    Who can win at video poker? Well, certainly those who get lucky. And, those who take chances to hit long shots. Like Rob who broke up three queens to hold three to the royal and got the royal on a $25 machine paying $100,000. That particular royal is well documented. Breaking up a full house to only hold three aces in Bonus poker is another long shot that when it hits means a significant win.

    I don't doubt Rob's wins because I don't think the publisher of GT would have allowed Rob over all those years to post bogus reports of his wins. Is there a different opinion I am not aware of?

    If Arc can win $10,000 or so each year playing $1 video poker, Rob can win on average about $100,000 a year playing $5, $10 and $25 video poker.

    So instead of asking me why I don't doubt Rob, why aren't you asking me why I don't doubt Arc? Well, I don't doubt Arc either.

    But winning is not the issue for me. The issue for me is still Rob's claims that he was able to make certain business deductions that don't seem to be legitimate, such as groceries as a business meal deduction.

    Here is the thread with my post about "how to sell a gambling system": http://vegascasinotalk.com/forum/showth...selling+system

  13. #73
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    I don't doubt Rob's wins because I don't think the publisher of GT would have allowed Rob over all those years to post bogus reports of his wins. Is there a different opinion I am not aware of?
    How would the publisher of GT know? Because Rob brought in a bunch of pictures that could have been taken of anyone's hits? GT didn't care because they never certified Rob's column's as being true.

  14. #74
    Originally Posted by arcimede$ View Post
    How would the publisher of GT know? Because Rob brought in a bunch of pictures that could have been taken of anyone's hits? GT didn't care because they never certified Rob's column's as being true.
    Arc... there was no moon landing. It was shot in a studio in Hollywood. How do I know? There are no stars. The set designer forgot the stars.

  15. #75
    This stuff's still going on....funny. Anyway, I won't discuss the article I am writing any more because you know what's going in it, why, and every part of it will be traceable to right here. I want to tell Alan that I can understand how he doesn't exactly remember each of the steps once the challenge got started, but he should understand that I did give arci a clear two week chance when Alan wanted to stop everything right then & there, & also arci proposed both he & I do it--not just me, although I agree it is 95% about me, given all his lies about my address, my winnings, and my wife's job. BTW arci, looks like IBM is pushing you guys out of its health care system and into Obamacare. Hope that doesn't have lifetime minimums! And if we had any sense at the start and if I wasn't in such a rush to get my part done because of our travel schedule, we should have done this the way regnis said with both of us sending our completed forms and checks to Alan to send into the IRS. Still no excuse for Alan to create a rule after my request was mailed saying that arci need not send in his request until after he received my returns.

    Redietz, I don't know of any casino that would allow someone other than the person named on the slot card to retrieve free play. It was just another desperation move by Dancer that backfired--like when he thought he could dictate all the terms of the marriage to his wife.

    Arci, sorry but you got caught in YET another lie....and they get more stupid by the lie. Yes GT published some of my big jackpot pictures, you know, like I do here. But whenever they did that or I wrote about big jackpots that they either did not have room to put up the picture or I didn't take one, I ALWAYS was required to show them my W2G's. Yes I know, now that you got shot in the foot, all you're left with is "but that doesn't prove that Robbie didn't lose it all before quitting". But we know you don't really think that, don't we. Otherwise, you'd be trumpeting those envious toots all over the place after having to endure my latest $5 gem.
    Last edited by Rob.Singer; 09-07-2013 at 01:01 PM.

  16. #76
    Pissing match episode 426. You'd think that after so many episodes the producers of the show would think it's time to terminate it. Guess not

  17. #77
    Originally Posted by Vegas_lover View Post
    Pissing match episode 426. You'd think that after so many episodes the producers of the show would think it's time to terminate it. Guess not
    Co- dependency anyone?

  18. #78
    Vegas_lover is right. It is time to terminate. So, I think the only fair way to terminate is to do it this way:

    Rob: have your tax returns sent to me.
    Arc: as soon as I have the tax returns, I will send you the non disclosure agreement, so you will send in yours.
    Everyone: I will keep Rob's envelope from the IRS sealed until Arc's envelope is received. When both envelopes have been received I will videotape and show opening both sealed envelopes as proof that the contents came directly from the IRS.

    No more he said, she said, that was a lie, no that was a lie. We are going to do it.

    Rob, why am I waiting for the IRS envelope before sending the NDA to Arc: because that's how I want to do it. And, it should make no difference to you if you really are sending me your tax returns.

    Now, if you don't want to do it this way, I guess GT can save itself some ink, and a few more branches of a tree somewhere will live.

  19. #79
    Just plain dumb Alan on several counts. So after the fact, you say arci now doesn't have to file until MY returns are received, because "that's the way you want it"? If it were arci who mailed his form in first, do you think he would actually have no problem with me not filing until AFTER you received his returns? See how stupid what you're saying is? THEN--and this is where your comprehension is truly depressing: do you not recall that I said the IRS sent me mail saying they need to know if you're an atty., trustee, mortgage co., or whatever, because my filings involve schedule C's....and that I wasn't responding because arci failed to bother filing his? What am I supposed to tell them, that I'm having 7 years worth of tax returns sent to the media?

    Now I've got even more readable, very memorable ammo for my article--a forum owner who creates the oddest, dumbest mid-challenge parameters, then doesn't pay attention to the in-process activity. Come on Alan, this whole thing sounded good and doable to me but really was dumb from the start....and you recognized it hopefully because someone like arci proposed it. I gave it a good shot and I gave arci fair warning, yet for some strange reason you had to jump in and change things around, making it totally undoable even for the guy who escaped his own challenge.

  20. #80
    Rob, I am sure that a note to the IRS to confirm that you want your returns sent to me will be sufficient. If you need a title for me, call me a "business consultant."

    I still don't understand why it makes a difference to you if your returns are sent to me first?

    Now, for the record: I don't want your returns. But I don't want you putting an article on GT saying that Arc backed out of the challenge because that isn't true.

    Frankly, I think this whole "challenge" is stupid. So I have another idea: use your space in GT to write about something more interesting and more important. I am absolutely positive that you have other, better uses, for the space in that paper.

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