My Casino back-rooming.

[Rob.Singer]

I just don't get why any of us, even still talk about this silliness.

You sound confused, just like Rob always says that you are.

Stop what you've been doing and maybe you'll feel better.

He won't--not as long as he can't get my gambling and other successes out of his head. Now he's even got max riled up about it again, trying to pretend he knows what a bag of $800k is like. Typical pair of LV local casino addicts....that I control!

This "sidestep" is for one thing only anyway. Kew needs to divert and deflect attention away from my articulate and excoriating takedown of his hoax. He's looking stupid in front of his "friends" and he knows it. And max? He's got his own troubles, but I still haunt the poor guy.

This is how kew claims to be bullied. If he weren't so weak and didn't post from the forum-posting sweatshop, the torture might subside.

[coach belly]

you falsely stated that I bullied Mdawg in my very first interaction with him

You're lying again...I stated that you bullied him in the thread, not your very first interaction.

Go back and re-read the thread where you first engaged with MDawg, and tell us who is the bully.

You admitted here that you that ganged up him, in that thread, as soon as you could...because you had the right to.

I along with 20 other members at Wov, simply expressed that we did not believe his claims, which we had every right to do.

[kewlJ]

Rob this forum is made up of two groups of people. AP's and real players vs trolls and anti-APers. It has been that way since the day I joined. A few names have come and gone on each side, but it remains 2 very distinct groups.

This experience that I have shared has been attacked by the trolls and anti-APers. Rob Singer, Mdawg, coach belly, Blackhole (over at GF), and to my surprise and disappointment AccountinQuestion. I don't know what to say about AinQ? He is a real player but seems to have gone troll on us based on personal dislikes. Disappointing.

No one else. Not a single AP or real player has questioned anything. Maybe Monet, I don't know. Dan Druff had some questions early on, but I assume they were answered, and he has said nothing since. I am guessing he talks to some AP's in this town, so he knows what is up. Maybe that will change, I don't know.

So do you know why no AP's or real players haven't had much to say? Because they know people that know about this incident, and/or know people that know me and/or the attorney involved. Hell, some of these guys (AP's) seem to know information about the case before I do.

There is also a very similar dynamic involved with my AP/Card counting play in General. The people that continually challenge the things I share are a very small handful of trolls and anti-AP's even some anti-KJers. But almost never a real player or AP. It's just that this very vocal, group of trolls and haters are particularly loud and vocal with their hate, which is usually the way.

Now what is the deal with this "posting from sweatshop" nonsense? Both Rob and Mdawg are repeating this latest talking point. Not sure which came up with it. These guys just get sillier/stupider and sillier/stupider. I think Mdawg has just given up on ever being seen as credible again, so he just spirals deeper into absurdity. Rob hit that point, many years ago, so he is just playing games. he is now to the point that he is laughing at himself, as everyone else is.

[kewlJ]

You admitted here that you that ganged up him, in that thread, as soon as you could...because you had the right to.

I along with 20 other members at Wov, simply expressed that we did not believe his claims, which we had every right to do.

No coach. No one "ganged up on him", in some co-ordinated effort. Wov is made up of manty advantage players and "math guys". Moreso at that time than now as quite a few left. these players that know and play by the math all felt it necessary to say "I don't believe this shit because it is not the way it works". That is not ganging up, nor bullying. That individual players and members just calling out reality.

[kewlJ]

Rob repeats this weird thing about me trying to convince everyone of this or that. Complete nonsense. Most real players and AP's know who I am what I do, where I live. So much of my business has been spilled that I am actually uncomfortable with it. Again it is just a handful of trolls and haters, very vocal, that I argue with, trolling them back.

If I was really trying to convince anybody of anything, do you think I would be on VCT and GF doings so? VCT has 10-12 active members and GF's 5-6? Just one of a million Singer bullshit that makes no sense.

I live where I live, make what I make from card counting /AP (at least up to now) and none of that changes because a few haters want to not believe me. And honestly, I don't think a one of them really doesn't believe. They are just pretending, out of some weird hatred/homophobic issues not even related to what I do for a living.

[MaxPen]

He won't--not as long as he can't get my gambling and other successes out of his head. Now he's even got max riled up about it again, trying to pretend he knows what a bag of $800k is like. Typical pair of LV local casino addicts....that I control!

Not riled in the least. Just spending a relaxing morning laughing at you, the internet jester. Here's a link that you're probably familiar with so you can concoct more realistic stories in the future.

https://propmoney.info/prop-currency-dimensions.html



Looks like I was correct again...lol

Your claim was 80% of that. C'mon man,, you're slipping in your old age. You are a much better bullshitter than this.

[Rob.Singer]

Rob this forum is made up of two groups of people. AP's and real players vs trolls and anti-APers. It has been that way since the day I joined. A few names have come and gone on each side, but it remains 2 very distinct groups.

This experience that I have shared has been attacked by the trolls and anti-APers. Rob Singer, Mdawg, coach belly, Blackhole (over at GF), and to my surprise and disappointment AccountinQuestion. I don't know what to say about AinQ? He is a real player but seems to have gone troll on us based on personal dislikes. Disappointing.

No one else. Not a single AP or real player has questioned anything. Maybe Monet, I don't know. Dan Druff had some questions early on, but I assume they were answered, and he has said nothing since. I am guessing he talks to some AP's in this town, so he knows what is up. Maybe that will change, I don't know.

So do you know why no AP's or real players haven't had much to say? Because they know people that know about this incident, and/or know people that know me and/or the attorney involved. Hell, some of these guys (AP's) seem to know information about the case before I do.

There is also a very similar dynamic involved with my AP/Card counting play in General. The people that continually challenge the things I share are a very small handful of trolls and anti-AP's even some anti-KJers. But almost never a real player or AP. It's just that this very vocal, group of trolls and haters are particularly loud and vocal with their hate, which is usually the way.

Now what is the deal with this "posting from sweatshop" nonsense? Both Rob and Mdawg are repeating this latest talking point. Not sure which came up with it. These guys just get sillier/stupider and sillier/stupider. I think Mdawg has just given up on ever being seen as credible again, so he just spirals deeper into absurdity. Rob hit that point, many years ago, so he is just playing games. he is now to the point that he is laughing at himself, as everyone else is.

Waaa....waaa....

[Rob.Singer]

Rob repeats this weird thing about me trying to convince everyone of this or that. Complete nonsense. Most real players and AP's know who I am what I do, where I live. So much of my business has been spilled that I am actually uncomfortable with it. Again it is just a handful of trolls and haters, very vocal, that I argue with, trolling them back.

If I was really trying to convince anybody of anything, do you think I would be on VCT and GF doings so? VCT has 10-12 active members and GF's 5-6? Just one of a million Singer bullshit that makes no sense.

I live where I live, make what I make from card counting /AP (at least up to now) and none of that changes because a few haters want to not believe me. And honestly, I don't think a one of them really doesn't believe. They are just pretending, out of some weird hatred/homophobic issues not even related to what I do for a living.

So hilarious!

Only a serial liar would constantly repeat the same lies and deny everything that continues to hurt.

Keep deflecting.

Bully Boy.

[kewlJ]

I think I am about done for today. Like MaxPen, I have just spent a relaxing morning trolling the trolls. I have been sitting on the balcony, but it is starting to heat up now. I think our string of cooler days are over here in Vegas. Today might be the first 100 degree day. If not today, probably tomorrow. And just in time for the parade to celebrate the ICE hockey champions. Those Canadian players on the Golden Knights should feel right at home in the 99 degree weather. Should be fun though.

So bye for Now. Hey Rob Happy Pride weekend. Enjoy the festivities up there at the gay Lake (if that is where you really are?) Wear that Dale Gribble costume from the RV pictures. It makes you look butch and the old queens celebrating in Tahoe will like that.

[Rob.Singer]

I think I am about done for today. Like MaxPen, I have just spent a relaxing morning trolling the trolls. I have been sitting on the balcony, but it is starting to heat up now. I think our string of cooler days are over here in Vegas. Today might be the first 100 degree day. If not today, probably tomorrow. And just in time for the parade to celebrate the ICE hockey champions. Those Canadian players on the Golden Knights should feel right at home in the 99 degree weather. Should be fun though.

So bye for Now. Hey Rob Happy Pride weekend. Enjoy the festivities up there at the gay Lake (if that is where you really are?) Wear that Dale Gribble costume from the RV pictures. It makes you look butch and the old queens celebrating in Tahoe will like that.

Hahahahaha.....in other words, you're scaddaling before you get your lies mixed up again.

No one's fooled by your lying kew. You lie about MDawg because his wealth stings you, and you lie about me because you can't stand how much I've exposed the fraud that you are. You're also perturbed over how I put down the lgqtbtvmu nonsensical and sick agenda, rightfully identifying infected clowns like you as mistakes of nature. And don't forget that diseased heart! Hmmm....one thing you and max have in common. How'd that happen?

Anyway, I'm sure you sanitized your hands after riding down that germy elevator in your high rise apt. bldg. No wonder you wanna get out!

[Rob.Singer]

BTW, Happy Father's Day to you tomorrow kew. Oh wait!....you're too broke, selfish, too much of a liar, and you've got those crossed wires upstairs that biologically prevent you from being a dad! Well then Happy Father's Day to your dad! Oh wait!....he left town the minute he found out you were a homo!

Oh dear, what to do? Yeah, go to a stupid parade, only all that'll be there are a bunch of lbgtlqrst freaks and mostly Southern Californians who only go to drink, because most LVegans don't give two shits about a hockey team.

Or you could do something better. I just took my wife to lunch at the Bridgeport Inn and tomorrow she's taking me to the Lone Eagle Grill at the Hyatt in Incline Village on the Lake for being a real Father. But I expect you'll stay in that crummy town, or maybe even max will invite you over for a few beers and peanuts! But wait again!....max has no children either. Few addicts do

Either way, after enjoying running a 747 over you and your fabricated "backroom" tale this week, I expect you'll run straight on over to the forum-posting sweatshop again for some more repetitious posting. Yeah....because anytime you don't feel as if you're getting your lies across about yourself, and me, neurosis of the gizzard takes over and you just keep trying.

Have fun with the hundred degree days.

[Rob.Singer]

The sky up here tonight.

[accountinquestion]

Singer and Kewl are like the same person. Both full of it flailing about trying to prove the other one is full of shit. I can't remember if I said this but it is funny how bullshitters get into weird competitive games. Like it is affront to their ability to bullshit to see some other guy bullshitting.

Kewl is as neurotic as Singer is funny but in the end these 2 guys are the most prolific bullshitters on gambling forums since the dawn of man.

book it.

[Rob.Singer]

Singer and Kewl are like the same person. Both full of it flailing about trying to prove the other one is full of shit. I can't remember if I said this but it is funny how bullshitters get into weird competitive games. Like it is affront to their ability to bullshit to see some other guy bullshitting.

Kewl is as neurotic as Singer is funny but in the end these 2 guys are the most prolific bullshitters on gambling forums since the dawn of man.

book it.

Your personal analysis left out one important point: I am perceived as a "bullshitter" because to certain people, certain true things I've said or shown about myself and my family does not go over well with the little people. And that's OK with me. OTOH, kew is universally seen as a bullshitter because, well, as Dan himself says, he's a known hoax machine, and I'll add in that his empty life constantly SCREAMS out for relevance, attention and acceptance. And this is devastating to him.

I'll take Manhattan.

[Ozzy]

Singer and Kewl are like the same person. Both full of it flailing about trying to prove the other one is full of shit. I can't remember if I said this but it is funny how bullshitters get into weird competitive games. Like it is affront to their ability to bullshit to see some other guy bullshitting.

Kewl is as neurotic as Singer is funny but in the end these 2 guys are the most prolific bullshitters on gambling forums since the dawn of man.

book it.

Good summary, Rob funny and kew neurotic. I tend to believe Rob a lot more then the UNKOOL1. Hell I believe Comrade Dietz more then kew.

[tableplay]

[kewlJ]

Mickeycrimm, made a great post over at GF today responding to troll and former member here Blackhole. I think mickey's post is worthy of a larger viewership than it will get there, AND I want to comment on it which I won't do there, so I am going to repost mickey's post here and comment.

The demand for proof of AP income always come from non AP's like yourself, with the exception of ditz, of course, who has never gave one hint of what he makes. I don't care what other AP's make. I don't care if people believe I don't make money. It's nothing to me. It's an excercise in futilty to try and convince any non AP of anything. I personally just write what I want to write and if non AP's don't believe it I don't give a fuck. I'm certainly not going to jump thru hoops to convince anyone.

I WAS surprised that ditz suggested that others put up their income tax returns. He's talked about his supposed track record quite a bit but has never divulged anything about how much money he has made at sports betting. I don't care if he makes money or not but he should divulge and put up proof of his own income if he wants others to divulge theirs.

But the problem with posting up information on one's income is that no matter how much proof you provide, it can easily be called a lie. And one thing non AP's like to do is call AP's liars. My suggestion to AP's everywhere is don't put up any information about your income. Fuck the people that don't believe you. Let them live in the dark. You aren't going to convince them of anything anyway. They are dimwitted assholes.

Mickey is correct that few AP's post about what they make, or post pictures of cash (which one adventurous dog did yet again at WoV), or pictures of RV's or safe's with fake cash. I think Rob Singer once posted a video tour of 'his daughter's' house.

I could easily post pictures of cash and chips. I don't play at levels that I would have extremely large amounts of either, but I always have mid 5 figures cash available as part of my BR and I use a chip inventory, so I have a bowl of chips (think large fishbowl) with ten's of thousands of dollars in chips at any given time from up to two dozen casinos or more. What does that even prove? The guy at WoV posted 50k in cash yesterday....does that prove he won 50K? That is an exercise in nonsense.

I generally agree with mickeycrimm, that people who do this crap as well as even talk about what they win or make, in 99 of 100 cases you can immediately write them down in the 'bullshit' column.

Now I have shared what I make for years. I am that 1 in 100. Mom always said I was special. But my sharing what kind of money I make was never about bragging about anything. It was the exact opposite. I started posting (and sharing) at a time that multiple books and a movie about the MIT team had just come out. And there were videos of different other players and teams like The Holy Rollers that had just come out, along with other books by solo card counters. These all depicted players and teams making millions of dollars in a short time. I was a solo type card counter, grinding away a mid-level stakes with a focus on longevity and wanted to show and share what kind of money could really and reasonably be expected and it was far different that all the books, video's and movies were telling players.

So I have no regrets over sharing my results over the years, even though some people never understood my intent. Mixed in my 20 years were years with blackjack win totals of $10,000, $9600, $11,000 (my first 3 years) and years after I moved to Las Vegas of $27,000 and $14,000. While anyone would conclude sharing these numbers and years had anything to do with bragging is one of the crazier things I have seen.

Of course there were good years and periods as well. And that is what differentiates what I shared with the other 99% that share numbers and results. I shared the good and bad, because I wanted to realistically show what card counting was about. Compare that to someone that only shares win, win win. Good example....Mdawg claims he is on a new Vegas trip. 3 days now. 3 winning, five figure wins at DD blackjack play totaling $81,000. That is just bullshit and exactly why there should be more players showing how things really work.

[kewlJ]

Now of course with me, there is a little more to it than that now. There are people...complete trolls and now some what I call troll supporters like Ozzy and AinQ, that their attacks and criticism of me have nothing to do with anything I share about my blackjack career or experiences. They are blinded and fueled by a hate of something totally unrelated. Like mickey said, I just post what I want to post. People think I make some long post trying to convince these people blinded by hate of anything. That is not entirely true. When I explain something I do or something these haters have gotten wrong and I try to explain the truth, it is as much about explaining to other people, people that many not even participate, people that may come along later, reading. I am not really trying to change the views of people who's views are determined by hate and bigotry. That is a battle no one can ever win.

In closing Happy Fathers day to all of you who are Fathers. Cherrish the time with your kids and family, at any age, and time with your fathers. I lost my Dad at an early age. I didn't have him through any of the different times in my life. I can barely remember what he looked like without a picture, or what his voice sounded like. And while the hater that posts as Rob Singer frequently falsely claims I am jealous of this person or that person, I don't know if jealous is the right word for this, but oh what I would give just to spend just a day with my Dad. Peace and love.

[Rob.Singer]

Mickeycrimm, made a great post over at GF today responding to troll and former member here Blackhole. I think mickey's post is worthy of a larger viewership than it will get there, AND I want to comment on it which I won't do there, so I am going to repost mickey's post here and comment.

The demand for proof of AP income always come from non AP's like yourself, with the exception of ditz, of course, who has never gave one hint of what he makes. I don't care what other AP's make. I don't care if people believe I don't make money. It's nothing to me. It's an excercise in futilty to try and convince any non AP of anything. I personally just write what I want to write and if non AP's don't believe it I don't give a fuck. I'm certainly not going to jump thru hoops to convince anyone.

I WAS surprised that ditz suggested that others put up their income tax returns. He's talked about his supposed track record quite a bit but has never divulged anything about how much money he has made at sports betting. I don't care if he makes money or not but he should divulge and put up proof of his own income if he wants others to divulge theirs.

But the problem with posting up information on one's income is that no matter how much proof you provide, it can easily be called a lie. And one thing non AP's like to do is call AP's liars. My suggestion to AP's everywhere is don't put up any information about your income. Fuck the people that don't believe you. Let them live in the dark. You aren't going to convince them of anything anyway. They are dimwitted assholes.

Mickey is correct that few AP's post about what they make, or post pictures of cash (which one adventurous dog did yet again at WoV), or pictures of RV's or safe's with fake cash. I think Rob Singer once posted a video tour of 'his daughter's' house.

I could easily post pictures of cash and chips. I don't play at levels that I would have extremely large amounts of either, but I always have mid 5 figures cash available as part of my BR and I use a chip inventory, so I have a bowl of chips (think large fishbowl) with ten's of thousands of dollars in chips at any given time from up to two dozen casinos or more. What does that even prove? The guy at WoV posted 50k in cash yesterday....does that prove he won 50K? That is an exercise in nonsense.

I generally agree with mickeycrimm, that people who do this crap as well as even talk about what they win or make, in 99 of 100 cases you can immediately write them down in the 'bullshit' column.

Now I have shared what I make for years. I am that 1 in 100. Mom always said I was special. But my sharing what kind of money I make was never about bragging about anything. It was the exact opposite. I started posting (and sharing) at a time that multiple books and a movie about the MIT team had just come out. And there were videos of different other players and teams like The Holy Rollers that had just come out, along with other books by solo card counters. These all depicted players and teams making millions of dollars in a short time. I was a solo type card counter, grinding away a mid-level stakes with a focus on longevity and wanted to show and share what kind of money could really and reasonably be expected and it was far different that all the books, video's and movies were telling players.

So I have no regrets over sharing my results over the years, even though some people never understood my intent. Mixed in my 20 years were years with blackjack win totals of $10,000, $9600, $11,000 (my first 3 years) and years after I moved to Las Vegas of $27,000 and $14,000. While anyone would conclude sharing these numbers and years had anything to do with bragging is one of the crazier things I have seen.

Of course there were good years and periods as well. And that is what differentiates what I shared with the other 99% that share numbers and results. I shared the good and bad, because I wanted to realistically show what card counting was about. Compare that to someone that only shares win, win win. Good example....Mdawg claims he is on a new Vegas trip. 3 days now. 3 winning, five figure wins at DD blackjack play totaling $81,000. That is just bullshit and exactly why there should be more players showing how things really work.

I can say with absolute certainty, that the person who you identify as your dad, would unabashedly be embarrassed by the product he churned out. Almost like the best part of you ran down your old man's leg.

OTOH, my father is a 6-year WWII & Korean War submarine service hero, who had a very successful son with an extraordinary family the old guy would be and has told everyone he is extremely proud of.

Again.... I'll take Manhattan.

[kewlJ]

I can say with absolute certainty, that the person who you identify as your dad, would unabashedly be embarrassed by the product he churned out. Almost like the best part of you ran down your old man's leg.

OTOH, my father is a 6-year WWII & Korean War submarine service hero, who had a very successful son with an extraordinary family the old guy would be and has told everyone he is extremely proud of.

Again.... I'll take Manhattan.

Rob, that you even think, that with these kind of trolling comments, you are winning something, some kind of imaginary war or contest, is beyond sad. That this is what your life is now, spending every second trying to out-troll someone, come up with some 3rd grade dig at someone ....I honestly feel nothing but sorrow for you.

I am sure it surprises no one, but not only based on what I have read in my time here, but I have gone back and read some before I joined. You always need someone that you think you are at war with. Someone you can direct your hate and anger towards. Saw it with Arci, saw it with mickeycrimm before me. And others along the way. And your comments and little 3rd grade digs that you use are the same exact recycled comments and digs you used 5, 10 years ago with other people.

I KNOW all your gambling claims are made up bullshit. EVERY SINGLE ONE. I don't know for sure about any non gambling claims you have made, although nothing seems to match or fit.

But there is no successful, happy person that acts the way you act. There just isn't. You are just a sad, old, angry, bitter man Rob.