My Casino back-rooming.

[coach belly]

I consider this question at this point in the discussion a troll-ass move.

You're not being decent or normal at this point.

I've been asking yes or no questions, but you're afraid of answering directly.

It's always a long convoluted story with you.

As usual, you're being deceptive...so go fuck yourself.

[kewlJ]

As usual, you're being deceptive...so go fuck yourself.

First, I can suck my own dick, which isn't all that pleasurable, but I don't believe I can fuck myself. Haven't really tried, but I just don't see that happening.

Secondly you asked me a question, I can't possibly know the answer to. It would be like if I asked you what John Waynes last thought was before he died?

I gave the timeline of events, leading up to the removal of the ASM in question. That is all I can do. Was this why they removed the ASM's and they have never been seen again? Or was it some other reason. Maybe a trial period was up. Maybe despite my personal results of losing more at those tables, overall the tables with those machines were bring in less. Actually, I would say that was a possibility consider a team of AP's were hitting those tables and ASM. Maybe those particular machines broke down more frequently although I don't remember anything like that and the original machines break down quite frequently, so it is hard to imagine, even more than that.

You are asking me to speculate on something I can't possible know. AND I am just to familiar with you to know when you are playing games, and with that question....you were playing games.

[coach belly]

Maybe despite my personal results of losing more at those tables, overall the tables with those machines were bring in less.

You asserted earlier that a non-random deck would favor the casino.

Then how could those tables bring in less? What about the math?

[kewlJ]

I can tell you this thought. On one of the blackjack forums, there was a discussion about filing a complaint with NGC. being an active players, I immediately said I didn't want to be any part of that. I would be happy to share my information and work behind the scenes, but I didn't want to the face of any complaint. So there was some talk of recruiting Michael Shackleford to be the face of the complaint. Mike was out of town as this discussion began, but I think at least some of the discussion was on the open forum. The very next time I visited the casino the ASM had been removed. Mike returned several days later and was in fact interested in at least looking into this situation, maybe tracking show play himself and comparing results, but by that time, the machines had already been removed.

So it could have been the public discussion and accusation. It could have been when talk turned to Shackleford being part of it. It could have been a trial lease expiring for all I know. I just can't possible know why the machines were pulled, all I can tell you is the timing.

[coach belly]

I can tell you this thought.

What about this thought?...non-random dice-thrown, wheel-spun or card-dealt results favor the players.

That's because the players place the wagers, and they can exploit the bias.

[kewlJ]

Maybe despite my personal results of losing more at those tables, overall the tables with those machines were bring in less.

You asserted earlier that a non-random deck would favor the casino.

Then how could those tables bring in less? What about the math?

Come on man. During normal play, both card counting and normal basic strategy such a clumping would increase the house edge more than the normal house edge.

BUT if you knew this there are ways you could turn the table, things you could do, a specific strategy. THAT is what the AP team was doing. I have since learned some of that, but am not going to spill that here. I don't need any other AP's mad at me.

Very similar is the situation with CSM. It was about the same timing as this incident that I became friendly with a really top notch, pretty well known AP that lives here in Vegas. AS we were discussing shuffle machines, he told me of a way to beat the CSM. Not the regular card counting using the "muck" that is common knowledge but something else related to how the machine works. The overall advantage is small, very small about a 1/5 to 1/4 of 1% You would have to play really big bucks to make any money, and that might just blow up the whole thing. I used this technique a couple times, but frankly my usual card counting was 5 times the advantage, so I didn't bother.

So low and behold in the last 6 months to a year, discussions involving this technique have been going on throughout forums, WoV, the blackjack forums, ect. Not here of course, because this isn't a real AP forum. There have been several teams that whacked CSM at a couple different locations betting huge bucks.

These machines just are not random....NONE of them. Some of that is the way they leave the factory and that can be exploited even more with minor adjustments in some cases. Some of this non-random stuff can benefit the casino if/when they figure it out, and some can benefit the players and more and more THAT is being figured out. Players and teams of AP's are at a little disadvantage, because to figure some of this stuff out, you really need to get your hands on a machine and that is not easy to do.

There is a saying with counterfeiting that as fast as the Government can put in new security measures, counterfeiters, can come up with ways around it. That sort of applies to advantage play as well. As fast as technology moves in the casinos favor, AP's, not me, but sharp, smart AP's can figure out ways to beat it. Completely legal ways.

[kewlJ]

What about this thought?...non-random dice-thrown, wheel-spun or card-dealt results favor the players.

That's because the players place the wagers, and they can exploit the bias.

What are you talking about? I don't know anything about Dice. I have never played craps. Everything I have heard from knowledgeable, credible people is that dice influencing is not a real thing. Wheel spun? Like roulette? Sure there can be a biased wheel. It would be rare in this day and age because casinos measure them regularly. Even if a wheel was slightly unbalanced it isn't like it is going to land in that one heavy spot every time. It might be like 5 times out of 100 instead of 3 times, or if it is an area maybe that area hits 11 times out of 100 instead of 9. It would take a lot of effort and data to recognise this bias and then it would be gone probably as soon as you did.

The last kind of Wheel Bias I have heard about was the Big Six wheel technique mentioned in Grosjean's book and that was what 15 years ago at least. I actually played that with some success one summer a couple years after I moved to Vegas. You want to talk about boring and tedious and grinding, the Grosjean Big 6 wheel thing makes blackjack look exciting. And now most big 6 wheels are automated, so that particular play is out the window.

Non-random card dealt. Well, that can be everything from these machines that we are discussing to dealers cheating with illegal shuffles and deals. How about dealing seconds. It's just these non-random machines have incorporated technology into the mix.

[coach belly]

What are you talking about?

I'm talking about the players' ability to exploit a non-random bias, whether it be dice manipulation, dice balance bias, wheel bias, or a non-random card shuffle.

Under standard conditions, what sequence of non-random shuffled cards favors the casino more than a random shuffle?

Standard conditions do not include dealing seconds.

Wouldn't you benefit if you were aware of the sequence of cards that are to be dealt?

[Rob.Singer]

This is like watching Perry Mason grill the guilty guy.....

Notice how coach presents his question and comments in short, precise verbage, while kew, being the nervous make-it-up-on-the-go type of bullshitter he has always been, comes up with these long, rambling word salads meant to dance around the subjects. Of course, we also have kew's ongoing and constant vowing not to engage with coach or anyone else he considers to be one of his ferocious bullies! I guess kew believes only posting his responses in 3 or 4 paragraphs is his way of "ignoring his trolls".

Concurrently, kew knows and understands that his deflected "back-rooming" hoax hasn't been forgotten. How can we move on from a story he spins that has more holes in it than cheap swiss cheese? Actually, the more he blabs the more holes he has to deal with. I mean, how many times we gonna be treated to "c'mon guys, you know I'm no lawyer and I'm stupid, so I make a lot of mistakes when I tell tall tales"! and "but trust me--Ill be getting rich off this!!"

Time to fess up kew. The hangman awaits. Oh wait---You're the master at hanging yourself!

[unowme]

[accountinquestion]

After 10+ years of posting regularly on the forums, who can verify any of your claims? What is the best example where you could say "Well such and such once met me or can vouch for me having don X" .. or anything ?

[kewlJ]

MrV: is there a way for me to contact you again privately. I have a question for you that I would rather not post publicly. Not so much a legal question as a "is this appropriate" type question.

AinQ: Is the above question directed at me? If so, I don't play that game. The answer is not on this site. My good AP friend here in Vegas has mentioned meeting me on a blackjack site, but has asked me not to mention his name on this forum. A member at WoV posted that he met me. Another posted that he found me watched me play, as he was considering me for his team, but never introduced himself. I found that a little creepy. My attorney has asked me not to mention his name on this forum. There are a couple others that I just won't mention even though they have not requested it. If they want to disclose our relationship, they are welcome to, but I would not ask that of them, especially regarding this forum. A long-time AP that I have not met but have communicated with privately asked my not to mention even his handle, not real name but his handle on this forum.

THAT is what you guys have turned this forum into. Even though a handful of AP's participate here, even engage in some trolling, most AP's want nothing to do with this forum. I have heard it referred to as a garbage site and a common nickname is "the urinal". YOU people did that. I guess that is what the majority wanted. I advocated as strongly as I could for less of the garbage shit and more AP/gambling content.

Even more stunning to me is that you think the question you asked is appropriate. I am on a private AP forum, not accessible to the public, where a current member has to vouch for each new member. THAT vetting process is to insure that anything discussed is done so away from potential casino or casino related eyes and ears.

This however is a public, anonymous internet forum. That some of you people think someone on a public forum should be required to be vetted in this manner or show financial proof of something as is on trial for a crime, is quite astonishing. Maybe you have forgotten or are not aware of just what an anonymous internet forum is. Although I have challenged claims I have found completely ridiculous and math defying, I have never once asked for proof of anything. Not from Singer. Not from Mdawg. Others have. I do not think that is appropriate, as no one is on trial. Nor do I think that is even necessary. I can determine who is legit and knows what they are talking about as opposed to just talking and usually pretty quickly. I think most others can as well, even if they have a different standard that I.

Final point: Rob singer has been vetted and spoken for: At WoV it was his sock puppet Jerry Logan (among others). Here his sock puppet, GirlsFriday, verified by Dan Druff, who spoke on his behalf. So what is the point anyway?

[kewlJ]

The problem is that there are so many here that think this is some kind of troll game that someone is winning or losing or that there is a winner or loser. While I engage in some trolling and return fire on some attacks, That is NOT what it is to me.

You know what winning looks like to me? Take a look at the WoV forum today. Scroll down to the "adventure thread" and go to the last page. Last week Mdawg started a new Vegas trip supposedly. He has now made 5 posts. 5 days of play. 4 blackjack, 1 bacarát. All winning day, totaling $99,100. Nothing new about this right? That is what this long running thread is full of. But note that there is not a single response to any of these 5 days reports. NOT 1! Mdawg even went to his tried and tested method of posting bundles of money, 51 thousand dollars spread out on the bed or counter (I forget). Still no interest. Not a single reply. THAT is total victory!!! Sure that may change in the coming days as someone decides to play along, but no one believes his BS.

On this forum, it won't happen that way with Rob Singer because his trolling and lying is appreciated by some members that find that funny. But maybe victory with Singer was achieved before I ever said a word, just by the fact that he is here posting his DU bug crap, his Newell crap, His 1.5 million dollar VP hit. No one really believes his shit, so Victory was probably achieved before I ever began the fight and I was too stupid to see it.

[coach belly]

That some of you people think someone on a public forum should be required to be vetted in this manner or show financial proof of something as is on trial for a crime, is quite astonishing.

What I find astonishing is your adamant opposition and stubborn resistance to showing any proof.

Are there reasons behind that attitude, or are you just being difficult and uncooperative?

[accountinquestion]

MrV: is there a way for me to contact you again privately. I have a question for you that I would rather not post publicly. Not so much a legal question as a "is this appropriate" type question.

AinQ: Is the above question directed at me? If so, I don't play that game. The answer is not on this site. My good AP friend here in Vegas has mentioned meeting me on a blackjack site, but has asked me not to mention his name on this forum. A member at WoV posted that he met me. Another posted that he found me watched me play, as he was considering me for his team, but never introduced himself. I found that a little creepy. My attorney has asked me not to mention his name on this forum. There are a couple others that I just won't mention even though they have not requested it. If they want to disclose our relationship, they are welcome to, but I would not ask that of them, especially regarding this forum. A long-time AP that I have not met but have communicated with privately asked my not to mention even his handle, not real name but his handle on this forum.

THAT is what you guys have turned this forum into. Even though a handful of AP's participate here, even engage in some trolling, most AP's want nothing to do with this forum. I have heard it referred to as a garbage site and a common nickname is "the urinal". YOU people did that. I guess that is what the majority wanted. I advocated as strongly as I could for less of the garbage shit and more AP/gambling content.

Even more stunning to me is that you think the question you asked is appropriate. I am on a private AP forum, not accessible to the public, where a current member has to vouch for each new member. THAT vetting process is to insure that anything discussed is done so away from potential casino or casino related eyes and ears.

This however is a public, anonymous internet forum. That some of you people think someone on a public forum should be required to be vetted in this manner or show financial proof of something as is on trial for a crime, is quite astonishing. Maybe you have forgotten or are not aware of just what an anonymous internet forum is. Although I have challenged claims I have found completely ridiculous and math defying, I have never once asked for proof of anything. Not from Singer. Not from Mdawg. Others have. I do not think that is appropriate, as no one is on trial. Nor do I think that is even necessary. I can determine who is legit and knows what they are talking about as opposed to just talking and usually pretty quickly. I think most others can as well, even if they have a different standard that I.

Final point: Rob singer has been vetted and spoken for: At WoV it was his sock puppet Jerry Logan (among others). Here his sock puppet, GirlsFriday, verified by Dan Druff, who spoke on his behalf. So what is the point anyway?

LMAO. Whatever dude. 10 years or whatever and you can't use someone's public handle to vouch. All bullshit whispering stuff that can't be verified. Get off the high horse and get a clue why people so doubt your story.

This isn't even a normal vouch like.. "you can trust him with money." This is simply a "I can vouch X is a real person who does what they claim". Don't get the 2 confused.

A simple vouch. Like Mr Crimm met me on a random trip of his. He can say "yes I met AIQ and he knows a good amount about machines. He even showed me a play.". That doesn't say I am a real AP by any stretch but it does demonstrate i'm not just making up stuff.

Trolling whine whine.. put it off on others. That bullshit won't fly. If you wanted less trolling then the most simple of vouches would go a long ways to slowing down the trolling.

Not only is your story exceptional but the fact you can't find another person to vouch for you BY THEIR HANDLE is also exceptional all things considered.

Furthermore I am in no way asking anyone to reveal anything personal or that could lead to a DOXing. Your indignation is my indigestion. Give us a break.

[coach belly]

Still no interest. Not a single reply. THAT is total victory!!!

You (and others) are reading it, that's likely good enough for him.

What makes you think he's sharing his adventures for replies, or some kind of "victory"(?) over his community members?

Besides, you are replying to him here, you moron.

[coach belly]

10 years or whatever and you can't use someone's public handle to vouch. the fact you can't find another person to vouch for you BY THEIR HANDLE is also exceptional all things considered.

Yup...nobody wants to vouch for him, or wants to disclose that they have anything to do with him.

THAT is total victory!!!

[kewlJ]

Axelwolf has said that he saw my partner and I at East Cannery. MaxPen and I played at the same Table at Tuscany. I think they both have acknowledged that. What do you want. I don't go meeting people on forums just to be social. I mean that worked out so well with Axelwolf when he met Monet and monet has trashed him ever since, describing him physically, describing his home and where he lives.

I don't care what trolls or really anybody that has decided they don't believe me think. Doesn't change a damn thing for me. I live the same place (and hey THAT has been verified by a number of the haters among others) and I make the same money doing the same thing.

I distinguish between the trolls / haters and AP, but it doesn't even matter to me what AP even things. Changes nothing. Just so happens, as I said before not a single AP, with connections in Vegas has said boo about me or this back rooming incident. Why would that be? The only people making noise are the haters and trolls dude. What does THAT tell you?

I am a little surprised you are on the wrong side of that group, even though you aren't in LV. I would have thought you had connections, but maybe I don't know who or what you are or what you do.

Edit: I didn't quote but this post was in answer to AinQ.

[kewlJ]

I deleted my last two posts because I just don't want to keep going over this shit. Instead I am going to quote mickeycrimm yesterday at GF. Mickey was speaking specifically of proving income to the trolls and haters, but it applies to everything with these guys. You aren't going to convince them of anything anyway.

But the problem with posting up information on one's income is that no matter how much proof you provide, it can easily be called a lie. And one thing non AP's like to do is call AP's liars. My suggestion to AP's everywhere is don't put up any information about your income. Fuck the people that don't believe you. Let them live in the dark. You aren't going to convince them of anything anyway. They are dimwitted assholes.

[accountinquestion]

Axelwolf has said that he saw my partner and I at East Cannery. MaxPen and I played at the same Table at Tuscany. I think they both have acknowledged that. What do you want. I don't go meeting people on forums just to be social. I mean that worked out so well with Axelwolf when he met Monet and monet has trashed him ever since, describing him physically, describing his home and where he lives.

I don't care what trolls or really anybody that has decided they don't believe me think. Doesn't change a damn thing for me. I live the same place (and hey THAT has been verified by a number of the haters among others) and I make the same money doing the same thing.

I distinguish between the trolls / haters and AP, but it doesn't even matter to me what AP even things. Changes nothing. Just so happens, as I said before not a single AP, with connections in Vegas has said boo about me or this back rooming incident. Why would that be? The only people making noise are the haters and trolls dude. What does THAT tell you?

I am a little surprised you are on the wrong side of that group, even though you aren't in LV. I would have thought you had connections, but maybe I don't know who or what you are or what you do.

Edit: I didn't quote but this post was in answer to AinQ.

So ok, you think they have acknowledged that well I'd like to know where that is or see them acknowledge it. I do tend to believe you simply because you'd be called out otherwise. That at least establishes that you spend time playing BJ in casinos.

And bro, lol you so obviously do care. Come'on cut the shit and be honest with yourself. You care more than anyone. Thats why you get wound up constantly. Singer and Mdawg are as deep in your head as anything I've seen online.

I'm not a professional AP (although lately i have been a lot more professional) and what I do is not something I will share with this forum out of respect to anyone else doing the same thing. I don't pick my plays (as limited at they may be) to gather attention or prove anything. The stuff I do is not written about in books. I will talk about a specific machine if I have anything to add but not being a pro machine-hustler I rarely contribute.

I'm not sure what you mean by "connections". I know very very few high level APs. I've never known a serious counter for reasons I won't discuss. So yes, our worlds barely overlap.