The Verdict Is?

[Gottlob1]

Man what a great thread this turned out to be.

A Pyrrhic victory is a victory that inflicts such a devastating toll on the victor that it is tantamount to defeat. Such a victory negates any true sense of achievement or damages long-term progress.

[kewlJ]

At my end I have to take a break anyway because I've been playing the same casino, DD Blackjack, for hours and hours one on one. So I haven't played for a couple days now. So, I'm here to have my say on the continuing UNKewl saga!

NO you are not playing the same casino, DD Blackjack for hours and hours one on one. At least not doing so and winning. And that is the thing...this KJ "saga" does nothing to make your claim more believable or real. You still have the same problem. That is NOT how Las Vegas or the casino industry works.

I could prove it AGAIN, if you are still claiming this occurs at Cosmo because I have friends that work under that corporate umbrella. So I suppose you will claim you are now playing and staying somewhere else, like Resorts World. And I still could probably get my hands on the necessary proof. But don't fret. I am not going to involve friends and people I know to disprove your internet bullshit again. Did that once, don't need to do it again.

[smurgerburger]

At my end I have to take a break anyway because I've been playing the same casino, DD Blackjack, for hours and hours one on one. So I haven't played for a couple days now. So, I'm here to have my say on the continuing UNKewl saga!

NO you are not playing the same casino, DD Blackjack for hours and hours one on one. At least not doing so and winning. And that is the thing...this KJ "saga" does nothing to make your claim more believable or real. You still have the same problem. That is NOT how Las Vegas or the casino industry works.

I could prove it AGAIN, if you are still claiming this occurs at Cosmo because I have friends that work under that corporate umbrella. So I suppose you will claim you are now playing and staying somewhere else, like Resorts World. And I still could probably get my hands on the necessary proof. But don't fret. I am not going to involve friends and people I know to disprove your internet bullshit again. Did that once, don't need to do it again.

KJ no one believes you anymore. Do you not understand that?

[MDawg]

Compulsive liar still thinking that anything he has to say means a thing.

Yes we know you're of limited intelligence but why don't you look up some of what this person you think is MDawg has said or posted and compare it to the way I speak or post. I've posted my voice on past videos.

You're so far off it's ridiculous. I've never even been to the country you claim this name Boz pulled out a hat came from, if I recall correctly where that guy comes from, and I have traveled the world more times than I can count. I mean if you want me to run with that I'm that guy, sure why not, but...that ain't the truth.

Just remember compulsive lie (4) the nonsense about MGM execs showing up at his apartment on Halloween to give him player records on someone who isn't even MDawg.

The five most major ones I can think of concern (1) his lie about Moses showing up at a condo he claimed he lived at, (2) a condo it turned out that he has no ownership in, (3) his faking his own death, (4) the nonsense about MGM execs showing up at his apartment on Halloween to give him player records on someone who isn't even MDawg, and (5) the backrooming lawsuit.

As well it's clear now that he was never much of a blackjack player, at least never supported himself from that. SeedValue's investigation was correct, and what MaxPen saw, UNKewlJ playing low end red to green in the company of a sugar daddy, makes sense.

[accountinquestion]

I could prove it AGAIN, if you are still claiming this occurs at Cosmo because I have friends that work under that corporate umbrella. So I suppose you will claim you are now playing and staying somewhere else, like Resorts World. And I still could probably get my hands on the necessary proof. But don't fret. I am not going to involve friends and people I know to disprove your internet bullshit again. Did that once, don't need to do it again.

Do these people know Rob Singer's FBI contacts?

[kewlJ]

KJ no one believes you anymore. Do you not understand that?

mickeycrimm has lied about things he says about Max pen. And Maxpen has lied about things he says about mickeycrimm. Do you no longer believe anything else either says?

It still comes down to one thing and that is it isn't that hard to figure out who knows what they are talking about and who is just taking. If you chose not to do that....that is up to you.

[MDawg]

If people go back and look at your last few stories they will see a trend in you always changing the story after you get caught lying.

At this point you have less credibility than week old gas station sushi. Give it up. It's just making you look pathetic at this point..

Everything and anything he has ever said will come into question and years of his forum adventures in BJ and life will be labeled as fiction.

Or as Wizard put it, If the totality of one's posts is one huge lie, then it becomes trolling.

[kewlJ]

Do these people know Rob Singer's FBI contacts?

No. They are simply people that work in the industry. Fairly low management level actually. But they can get access to players w/l records.

For a metro area of 2 million, Vegas is much more like a small town in terms of the casino industry and players. I'd be willing to bet that most Vegas AP's know somebody that works in the industry, like a brother-in-law, neighbor, wife's co-workers husband. I don't know that everyone has a good friend as close as I do that they can ask this kind of thing of. But I also would be willing to bet that most APs, especially those that play tables, have somebody that can help them access the databases.

I gather you are not a fulltime-AP, supporting yourself from advantage play and you don't live in Vegas. But I guess you know it all.

[smurgerburger]

KJ no one believes you anymore. Do you not understand that?

mickeycrimm has lied about things he says about Max pen. And Maxpen has lied about things he says about mickeycrimm. Do you no longer believe anything else either says?

It still comes down to one thing and that is it isn't that hard to figure out who knows what they are talking about and who is just taking. If you chose not to do that....that is up to you.

I'm just going to quote this for how weak it is.

[kewlJ]

Or as Wizard put it, If the totality of one's posts is one huge lie, then it becomes trolling.

Then why hasn't he done anything about you? Oh, because you are paying him not to.

Seriously, what do you get out of this now 4 year adventure bullshit that you post on 4 different forums, including a forum for writers that are writing "stories"? Are you planning on writing a book? Going to finance a movie where you are the new James Bond character? Or is it just ego?

If you are a wealthy guy who likes to gamble.... good for you. If you get comps that you are satisfied with from your losses....good for you. Why was that not enough? Why did you have to make up all the winning? And then that they love you and pat you on the back and call you the greatest and all that?

Do you know how the industry works? These guys, the pit bosses that you claim love you and pat you on the back have to answer for their tables. If their tables repeatedly show losses instead of wins, they could lose their jobs. What you are claiming is just SOOO NOT THE WAY THING work.

[MDawg]

He would have been better off confessing that he was trying to troll. The fact that he is trying to stick with the event actually happening just makes him look like an idiot.

[kewlJ]

I'm just going to quote this for how weak it is.

Smorgesborger, THIS is a troll forum. That is what it is known at throughout the gambling forum world.

Members troll each other, Mickey rolls Maxpen. Maxpen trolls mickey. Before that mickey and Singer trolled each other for a decade. Singer now trolls me. I troll him back. AinQ trolls me. YOU troll me. AinQ trolls redietz. Mickey trolls redietz.

And then you have the big trolls. The long running trolls. Singer has had too many to even list, You know what they are. Mdawg is currently 4 years into his.
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Singer set up his last troll in advance, all but telling us what was coming. And then he had a thread....Big hurt coming soon' or something.

Now I didn't set out to make up this troll. It was a real situation, and you can choose to believe that or not, that I needed to protect myself, and in doing so, more or less turned into a troll event.

Trolling is in the DNA of this forum right back to the original founder, The late Alan, who maintained his troll of 18 y.o.'s in a row until the day he left us. (Sorry slaperfunky but it is true).

So now all of the sudden, you are up in arms. Well fuck off dude.

[Rob.Singer]

You have to laugh at how big a fool kew is making out of himself. And it gets bigger every day.... like Pinocchio's nose. He gives himself away as a serial liar. Every time he tries to deflect culpability to someone else's past he's just admitting he has lied all he can and he just can't understand why nobody believes him.

One part of him I believe that hasn't been shown or proven to me is he's queer. He's the poster boy for every homo that walks with bowed legs. These people are messed up inside already. What kew's doing is proving how sick they really are. His disgust comes in the form of compulsive lying.

[MaxPen]

For the record. KewlJ claims he would tell the truth in PMs if I didn't go public. He sent me PMs regarding this case. He lied in those PMs too. Compulsive liar is a fair assessment of what he is.

He's always claiming this or that and using some anonymous AP as a verifier. I don't know anyone who has ever met or done anything with him. As well noone has ever claimed to know someone that has met or done anything with him. That's pretty impossible considering how many people that is in this supposed community.

Not that I associate with a lot of people. But some of the people I do associate with have literally met and/or done business with not dozens of people but 100's.

[kewlJ]

For the record. KewlJ claims he would tell the truth in PMs if I didn't go public. He sent me PMs regarding this case. He lied in those PMs too. Compulsive liar is a fair assessment of what he is.

He's always claiming this or that and using some anonymous AP as a verifier. I don't know anyone who has ever met or done anything with him. As well noone has ever claimed to know someone that has met or done anything with him. That's pretty impossible considering how many people that is in this supposed community.

Not that I associate with a lot of people. But some of the people I do associate with have literally met and/or done business with not dozens of people but 100's.

What is your point MaxPen? That I don't play with, nor socialize with many AP's? A very select few? No shit! I have maintained that since day 1. It has served me well every step of the way.

You know how you told me a year ago that you were scared shitless of seedvalue. He was saying and doing things to harm you? You said he was very dangerous and were scared shitless to the point that you left the forum for a period and warned me not to agitate him? Remember that? Well THAT is exactly what being too well known and all the socializing will do for ya. As I was told very early on, at BJ21, Don't trust fellow APs, as they will stab you in the back to step over you to get to that next play.

Here is another one for you. Midwest player who lurks a lot here, can probably verify this if he wants to. Back at BJinfo, there was a guy who held an annual gathering of blackjack card counters for a few years. It was called BJ bash and held over a weekend the midwest where he lived. So one year, the final year if I am not mistaken, the members gather from all over the U.S at an Indian Casino where the event was being held. I chose not to attend. Just imagine The Indian Casino didn't have any problem with an army of card counters staying and playing for the weekend.

So by the end of the weekend, just about everybody lost. The over-whelming majority of these pretty good to very good card counters all lost, playing what looked to be a very favorable game. Hum....did I mention this was an Indian Casino? Yes...ok. Did I mention the member of the forum that arranged all this and picked the casino was himself of Native American heritage? How about this one....it was later revealed that he got a cut of all the losses from the group of "fellow APs" that he brought in.

So it can be big like this event, and seedvalue screwing over and sabotaging everyone (you included) or it can be something relatively small like Monets trashing of Axelwolf and just about revealing publicly where Axelwolf lives.

I just see no reason to get too friendly with fellow AP's. I suppose if you are literally playing on a team, but I am not. I am a solo player, and I will continue to keep mostly to myself, with 1 or 2 special AP friends that have proven to me it is beneficial to call "friend". This strategy has served me well despite that a few APs on a forum seem offended that I won't meet them.

[smurgerburger]

His point was that you're lying. That's everyone's point. No need to write a novel about it.

[kewlJ]

How about this Maxpen? After sleezebag Mdawg doxed me and I couldn't play blackjack for most of the next year while things died down and I fell off the top pages of the database....where were you? Or Axelwolf? You jackwads want to be my friend and are offended when I won't meet you...well where were you in my time of need?

Exactly 1 LV AP came forward and said hey I know you are going through a tough time at the moment, since you are primarily a BJ player and that has been taken away for now. There are a couple small plays that my team and I are working on that I can put you on for a couple weeks. 1 fucking LV AP. He is my AP friend. You guys aren't.

So don't give me shit about not wanting to meet and hang out with other AP's.

[Rob.Singer]

How about this Maxpen? After sleezebag Mdawg doxed me and I couldn't play blackjack for most of the next year while things died down and I feel off the top pages of the database....where were you? Or Axelwolf? You jackwads want to be my friend and are offended when I won't meet you...well where were you in my time of need?

Exactly 1 LV AP came forward and said hey I know you are going through a tough time at the moment, since you are primarily a BJ player and that has been taken away for now. There are a couple small plays that my team and I are working on that I can put you on for a couple weeks. 1 fucking LV AP.

So don't give me shit about not wanting to meet and hang out with other AP's. You aren't my friends.

Blah blah blah.....whatever you're rambling on about is meaningless, because no one believes you anymore. And anything you tried to lay on them about your "AP friends", your claimed card-counting, and your "blackjack community" has been rendered irrelevant---by YOU! because you've been exposed as NOTHING but a compulsive liar! You don't see that yet??

Now tell us how you count two tables again.....

[kewlJ]

I am also reminded that there is bad blood between other players that attended one or some of the Wizard of Vegas forum meetups. Advantage play is a very specialized way to make a living. Other AP's aren't your friend unless you are literally playing on a team with them. As a matter of more often than not, they are your competition. No good can come from getting too cozy.

[kewlJ]

Blah blah blah.....whatever you're rambling on about is meaningless, because no one believes you anymore. And anything you tried to lay on them about your "AP friends", your claimed card-counting, and your "blackjack community" has been rendered irrelevant---by YOU! because you've been exposed as NOTHING but a compulsive liar! You don't see that yet??

Now tell us how you count two tables again.....

You want to talk exposed Rob? "hey pops keep your feet off the bedspread, you don't own this RV, it is a dealership".