The Verdict Is?

[MisterV]

I am going to So Cal tomorrow to do some surfing and just a summer vacation at the beach, partying.

Cowabunga, dude.

Enjoy.

[kewlJ]

By the way, Dan Druff hasn't visited this forum in 8 days. I know he is involved with Poker right now, although he is out, isn't he? It looks like he posted at his forum for a few hours yesterday. I suspect he will visit here soon, if only to make some baseball picks.

When he does there are a couple PMs from me waiting for him. I have directed him to the doxxing of me by Mdawg on this forum last week. I don't think Druff will take kindly to that. But maybe I am wrong...he doesn't seem to care about much anymore....even his own rules. I did not request that Mdawg be banned. I don't like the idea of banning people, even people who disagree and don't like me. But when someone intentionally does that over and over on numerous forums, I don't know what other remedy there is. What if anything happens will be Druffs call...at least for now.

Which brings me to the second PM awaiting Druff from me. I have inquired if he has any interest in selling this forum. He doesn't seem to participate here or have any interest other than his sports picks and occasionally posting a LV type news story. If I remember correctly, he only took over this forum to preserve his many articles that he had posted. He didn't want that lost if Alan shut down as he was thinking of doing.

If Druff is interested in selling. I certainly would preserve all that and still encourage him to posts his sports picks and whatever else he wanted to participate. Actually one of my goals would be getting more into real gambling talk including sports betting and machine play. Things I now want to learn more about for my own personal use. With hopes of drawing more real players, recreational or professional to the forum. In the years I have been here we have had many come though that didn't stay long because of this environment.

I am sure if Druff does have an interest and I was to take over the forum, many would run for the hills. That would be your choice. My goal wouldn't be to chase those away that don't agree with me or dislike me. I recognize that the membership here, including myself enjoy some trolling, so that wouldn't be prohibited, but there would be some limitations. repeating that someone is a male prostitute, over and over, with absolutely no proof would be a line crossed. I actually wouldn't make any new rules, although I would enforce some now on the books, starting with no doxxing. Doxxing is not fun and games, nor trolling. It is a low life thing to do.

There is a rule on the books about only one account per person. That is kind of funny considering BillYungs current status. Getting way ahead but not sure how I would handle that. I would not allow sock puppets, which I have never done here. Anyone not believing that....ask Druff. A sock puppet is a second account used as credibility when no real members can provide that credibility. Perfect example is Singers Girlfriday account here. Or Singer's Jerry Logan accounts at WoV. Moses also had an account that was supposedly his girlfriend. That wouldn't happen. But BillYung and tasha when she was here, seemed to have this most unusual need to have several different accounts. I honestly don't get that. But they weren't actually trying to deceive anyone. I guess this is something we could all discuss if this came to be, which I doubt it will.

Frankly I would have to really think if I even want this should Druff have an interest. Seems like a lot of headache and I am probably not tech smart enough to run a forum. Maybe Druff would want to help and show me the ropes. Or more likely, he wont be interested in selling. Maybe he has plans further down the road.

I just though I would give you guys a heads up. Sort of full transparency. Just in case you need to plan your escape route now.

[soxfan]

I miss the old days when the kewl-J had the credibilities, hey hey.

[kewlJ]

I miss the old days when the kewl-J had the credibilities, hey hey.

Dude, what you and others that have now decided they don't like me, perceive as a lack of credibility is really just that you don't like me and that is what you want to see.

Tell me anything I have ever said that defied the math of gambling. Tell me anything I have ever said that defies the way Las Vegas or the gambling industry works?

I don't claim to be rich or have gotten rich from gambling or blackjack/advantage play. I have made a decent living and worked hard to do so. And shared a lot of that. More than I ever should have.

I am not playing the gay card, a term I just read Dan Druff use at his other forum about a different topic. But the fact is there are clearly some people here, that their strong dislike of me is rooted in homophobic hate, not anything specific to me, nor certainly anything specific to my play.

This is a forum with mostly older members and those kind of biases are more prevalent among the older generation. That is just fact.

If you really block out all the bullshit and just focus on what I say about blackjack and my blackjack play, and what knowledge and experiences I share...I am pretty credible. Always have been because what I share is real experiences.

But that is not what this forum is. This forum is cliques and clubs and groups that don't like this person or that person. And it isnt just me. It has happened with Redeitz and Tasha and others. This forum is really the third grade all over again. Some of you never left the 3rd grade. If you are not among the clique of popular kids, you are bullied and driven away. I would like to change that and get back to Vegas and Casino Talk.

[soxfan]

I miss the old days when the kewl-J had the credibilities, hey hey.

Dude, what you and others that have now decided they don't like me, perceive as a lack of credibility is really just that you don't like me and that is what you want to see.

Tell me anything I have ever said that defied the math of gambling. Tell me anything I have ever said that defies the way Las Vegas or the gambling industry works?

I don't claim to be rich or have gotten rich from gambling or blackjack/advantage play. I have made a decent living and worked hard to do so. And shared a lot of that. More than I ever should have.

I am not playing the gay card, a term I just read Dan Druff use at his other forum about a different topic. But the fact is there are clearly some people here, that their strong dislike of me is rooted in homophobic hate, not anything specific to me, nor certainly anything specific to my play.

This is a forum with mostly older members and those kind of biases are more prevalent among the older generation. That is just fact.

If you really block out all the bullshit and just focus on what I say about blackjack and my blackjack play, and what knowledge and experiences I share...I am pretty credible. Always have been because what I share is real experiences.

But that is not what this forum is. This forum is cliques and clubs and groups that don't like this person or that person. And it isnt just me. It has happened with Redeitz and Tasha and others. This forum is really the third grade all over again. Some of you never left the 3rd grade. If you are not among the clique of popular kids, you are bullied and driven away. I would like to change that and get back to Vegas and Casino Talk.

I said before and I'll say again that I don't take side based on the personalities. If I think a cat is talkin straight then I'll say so, even if I might not like him on a personal basis. In my much younger day I was member of a very proficient 6 man cards-counting squad and for almost a year back in 1989 we made good cake playin Vegas-Reno-Tahoe. And since I was a cards-counter I USED to think that you were bein thruths-ful with yer black-jakc talks. But recent, I have caught you in telling false-hoods, and makin contradictory, mutually exclusive claim and frankly just sayin weird stuff what ain't make no sense. So, at this point, as a result I gotta question everything you have said previous and anything you say goin forwards, simple and plain, hey hey.

[MisterV]

Uh-oh, you might have opened a can of worms there, KJ: when Singer and MDawg read this the proverbial light bulb might just illuminate their noggins and result in them also contacting Dan about buying the forum, if for no other reason than just to fuck with you.

Both of them have posted of slaying the casino dragon and amassing a golden horde thereby, a thing I question whether you, a mid-level counter, can match in a bidding war.

This could be ... interesting ...

[kewlJ]

I said before and I'll say again that I don't take side based on the personalities. If I think a cat is talkin straight then I'll say so, even if I might not like him on a personal basis. In my much younger day I was member of a very proficient 6 man cards-counting squad and for almost a year back in 1989 we made good cake playin Vegas-Reno-Tahoe. And since I was a cards-counter I USED to think that you were bein thruths-ful with yer black-jakc talks. But recent, I have caught you in telling false-hoods, and makin contradictory, mutually exclusive claim and frankly just sayin weird stuff what ain't make no sense. So, at this point, as a result I gotta question everything you have said previous and anything you say goin forwards, simple and plain, hey hey.

A lot of people when you point out that they are biased, will say exactly what you just said. basically a version of the "I'm not racist, I have black friends" (or as the congressman this week said "colored" friends or "colored" people. He isn't racist, he likes "colored people".

It is the little gay references and digs in a discussion that has nothing to do with that, that is the give away of a person's bias. Very rarely is it a blatant as Rob Singers remarks which are only about getting a rise out of people.

I never wanted to make that I am gay an issue. On this forum it was Axelwolf that brought it up. he didn't mean any harm I know. he made a little joke and I have been dealing with it ever since because there are some very bigoted people. But I don't hide from it either. It is who I am and that is actually apart of my life and it is all intertwined in with experiences that I share. People that can't or won't get past that.....that is their problem, not mine.



I know nothing about Vegas and particularly reno-Tahoe card counting back in the good old days of 1989. Frankly I was settling into 1st grade and confused about the whole abc's thing at that time. yeah I have probably read a little about Vegas and card counting at that time. Most of the books about card counting were published about that time. I know much less about reno/Tahoe. But would like to and would love to hear of your experiences.

But keep in mind, that was last century. Things have changed. The games have changes and not for the better. Technology has changed. The way to attack the game has changed. What is important has changed. You can no longer "trick" pit and surveillance. Any kind of longevity will be achieved by other means like identifying and playing limits that are better tolerated and short sessions (NOT 10 hour sessions at double deck). These things will keep wins smaller and mean nobody has to answer for them or they have to answer for them less....AND that is really where heat comes from. Pit folks don't care about the casino....they care about their own self preservation. If you adopt things that won't lead to trouble for them....things they need to answer for, you can still play regularly.

If there is something I say or share about my play, that you don't understand or differs to you, based on your experiences, feel free to bring it up, ask questions. I will always try to answer and explain. Sometimes I can't as it would just put me in jeopardy, but I honestly will always try to. That probably is one of my faults. I say too much.

[Hal Incandenza]

Now I am just burned out from this shit. I am going to So Cal tomorrow to do some surfing and just a summer vacation at the beach, partying. My brother, myself and our third housemate, My Bf, all grew up near Daytona Beach Florida and surfing was a part of all our youth. My brother and I more so. When I was 13-17 I would spend 12 hours a day in the water surfing some days.

I think I have surfed twice now in the last 20 some years for a total of about 4 or 5 hours. Surfing isn't like riding a bike, unfortunately. I learned that a couple years ago. After a few hours of getting your ass kicked and knocked down, you feel like you were run over by a truck. And I am even older now. It should be good fun.

I am not even going to think about this troll stuff and if I am smart, will continue to pay much less mind to it when I return. You people do what you need to do. Mdawg if you, supposedly an attorney, a multi-millionaire, who claims to have won millions from casinos on top of that, needs to lie and obsess, in hopes that anonymous people you don't even know will believe your adventure fantasy....then do it. Knock yourself out.

peace out all.

Yeah right, like this will change anything. Wherever you go, there you are.

[kewlJ]

Now I am just burned out from this shit. I am going to So Cal tomorrow to do some surfing and just a summer vacation at the beach, partying. My brother, myself and our third housemate, My Bf, all grew up near Daytona Beach Florida and surfing was a part of all our youth. My brother and I more so. When I was 13-17 I would spend 12 hours a day in the water surfing some days.

I think I have surfed twice now in the last 20 some years for a total of about 4 or 5 hours. Surfing isn't like riding a bike, unfortunately. I learned that a couple years ago. After a few hours of getting your ass kicked and knocked down, you feel like you were run over by a truck. And I am even older now. It should be good fun.

I am not even going to think about this troll stuff and if I am smart, will continue to pay much less mind to it when I return. You people do what you need to do. Mdawg if you, supposedly an attorney, a multi-millionaire, who claims to have won millions from casinos on top of that, needs to lie and obsess, in hopes that anonymous people you don't even know will believe your adventure fantasy....then do it. Knock yourself out.

peace out all.

Yeah right, like this will change anything. Wherever you go, there you are.

And who might YOU be Hal? Are we to believe you created an account over 3 years ago, which lay dormant until today, when you suddenly chime in, knowing the history of everything?

[kewlJ]

Uh-oh, you might have opened a can of worms there, KJ: when Singer and MDawg read this the proverbial light bulb might just illuminate their noggins and result in them also contacting Dan about buying the forum, if for no other reason than just to fuck with you.

Both of them have posted of slaying the casino dragon and amassing a golden horde thereby, a thing I question whether you, a mid-level counter, can match in a bidding war.

This could be ... interesting ...

I thought about that MrV. And that would be fine too. This forum would move more towards Gambling forums, on it's way to the final Days of Gamblers' Glen. And my decision of participating would be made for me.

It is just as is, you have a guy that just doesn't give a fuck, and doesn't show up, nor enforce his own rules. No one knows what is going on, nor what is or isn't allowed. Moses was banned for threating to find a real player. Now others have done it and doxxed that player and nothing.

Singer was once banned for racial slurs. I was warned against Jewish slurs. Now people regularly make homophobic slurs and quite frankly you could now say what singer said with the racial slur and no action would be taken.

I think we can do better. thats all. Wizards site is over modertaed, with Mike enjoying his "wall of shame" nonsense. GF is way to far the other way with a policy that nothing you can do will get you banned. the punishment is your offending post is removed hours laters with a disclaimed that it violated rules and then the person reposts the same damn thing the next day. I think there is room for a middle ground. Fair rules that are enforces with some trolling allowed.

[MaxPen]

This is the most epic collapse of a poster in gambling forum history...

KewlJ how much would it take for you to prove that you own a condo where you claim?

Notice how I worded the question "you claim".

[kewlJ]

Seriously madmax? You think people on an anonymous forum should be required to prove where they live?

You first. Prove where this condo of yours with the remodeled bathrooms is.

[smurgerburger]

Seriously madmax? You think people on an anonymous forum should be required to prove where they live?

You first. Prove where this condo of yours with the remodeled bathrooms is.

It's this pretending not to understand the points people are making that really solidifies the case that you're a fraud.

[kewlJ]

Mad max, I have looked the other way until now. You had a right to did what you did. Personally, because we had an online history of private communication, I would have thought you would have contacted me and "said what is going on", and I would have explained it to you. But you chose not to do that. That's fine.

But you now seem to want to be in some kind of online war violating privacy of another advantage player. Be careful what you wish for. Do you really think YOU don't have enemies or people that don't like you that have contacted me in the past couple days telling me some private things about you? If you want to cross the line, don't think I won't retaliate.

[kewlJ]

And this folks is exactly why I don't cozy up to other AP's except some very rare cases. This sort of stab you in the back shit is pretty common.

I happen to think the pictures Maxpen posted of mickeycrimm is a doxing violation. I asked mickey where MaxPen got those pictures and mickey said he had posted them somewhere else years ago. Does that mean it is free game to do so here? Mickeycrimm did not post them here on this forum that we know Casino Industry people read (confirmed by Druff) did he?

It is crazy, as AP's we are at war with the casino industry. And there are trolls on forums trying to harm us. And now worst of all, you have to worry about "fellow" APs" who have decided they don't like or believe you.

Very fucked up. I'll be away for 8 days starting tomorrow. If no changes or change in ownership or policy/rules is coming, I don't think I will be returning here, with haters obsessed with running me off and running me over...to the extent they will do this shit.

[MaxPen]

Seriously madmax? You think people on an anonymous forum should be required to prove where they live?

You first. Prove where this condo of yours with the remodeled bathrooms is.

You post over and over where you live supposedly. Why?

The only reason I would know where you supposedly live is because you post about the supposed place so much. Figured you might want it verified.

[kewlJ]

Seriously madmax? You think people on an anonymous forum should be required to prove where they live?

You first. Prove where this condo of yours with the remodeled bathrooms is.

You post over and over where you live supposedly. Why?

The only reason I would know where you live is because you post about the supposed place so much. Figured you might want it verified.

I have NEVER posted where I live meaning the address or building complex name. What the fuck dude!?!

You have every right to say you don't believe this or that. You have every right to say why you don't believe thing. You can ask questions if you want. You had every right to look up legal cases.

You don't have a right to do the shit you are now doing.

MaxPen, you were the very first person after I moved to tell the forum, all you have to do is look up real estate records and find the same name that sold a house and bought a condominium a short time later. THAT was kind of fucked up by you. to post that on open forum. I am stupid and naive and don't always think about shit like that. I don't know whether you did what you said or not, but you told the forum and I am pretty sure at least one person did exactly that.

I changed it after you wrote that so that no one would find the condo and house sale under the same name. But I am sure that was too late...at least involving the one guy that showed up.

I am serious when I ask you what the fuck is the matter with you? Have you no decency?

[MaxPen]

Mad max, I have looked the other way until now. You had a right to did what you did. Personally, because we had an online history of private communication, I would have thought you would have contacted me and "said what is going on", and I would have explained it to you. But you chose not to do that. That's fine.

But you now seem to want to be in some kind of online war violating privacy of another advantage player. Be careful what you wish for. Do you really think YOU don't have enemies or people that don't like you that have contacted me in the past couple days telling me some private things about you? If you want to cross the line, don't think I won't retaliate.

I highly doubt anyone has contacted you about me. What privacy am I violating? Aren't you the only one who has disclosed anything regarding private messages. Then you made up and distorted what was actually said. You're literally losing your mind.

[MaxPen]

Seriously madmax? You think people on an anonymous forum should be required to prove where they live?

You first. Prove where this condo of yours with the remodeled bathrooms is.

You post over and over where you live supposedly. Why?

The only reason I would know where you live is because you post about the supposed place so much. Figured you might want it verified.

I have NEVER posted where I live meaning the address or building complex name. What the fuck dude!?!

Just like you never posted about your attorney or AP friend. Everything you post is what you want people to believe. And apparently none of it was true. At least nothing can be verified. So what's the point of post after post of made up shit?

[MaxPen]

And this folks is exactly why I don't cozy up to other AP's except some very rare cases. This sort of stab you in the back shit is pretty common.

I happen to think the pictures Maxpen posted of mickeycrimm is a doxing violation. I asked mickey where MaxPen got those pictures and mickey said he had posted them somewhere else years ago. Does that mean it is free game to do so here? Mickeycrimm did not post them here on this forum that we know Casino Industry people read (confirmed by Druff) did he?

It is crazy, as AP's we are at war with the casino industry. And there are trolls on forums trying to harm us. And now worst of all, you have to worry about "fellow" APs" who have decided they don't like or believe you.

Very fucked up. I'll be away for 8 days starting tomorrow. If no changes or change in ownership or policy/rules is coming, I don't think I will be returning here, with haters obsessed with running me off and running me over...to the extent they will do this shit.

You can Google mickeycrimm and that image comes up. I don't know how more public an image can be.

Staying away from forums would be the best thing for you. But you can't. Because the forums seem to be the only place you exist.