DanDruff care to weigh in on UNKewlJ's backrooming lawsuit "story" now?

[AxelWolf]

KJ,

I think someone touched on this point a bit as to why isn't/hasn't Rob and MDawg being raked over the coals as much as you.
They are not Advantage Players, they may claim to do/have done advantage play things but that's not their livelihood/career.


You were supposed to be one of the few who didn't have a fancy background, Good education, a former/current good-paying job and a bunch of money to get started. You supposedly started with very little, worked your way up to make a decent living, and made your own way doing something many people dream of. Your own boss, own hours, freedom, semi-unlimited potential, and non-back-breaking work (A few sprained arms here and there )

But now we haven't any clue as to what was/is true when it comes to you

[Gottlob1]

Actually, a mentally shrewd person, if s/he cared at all, remains with absolutely zero doubt about KJ. The person doesn't even have to know how to play blackjack, an essentially mindless game nonetheless.

You were supposed to be one of the few who didn't have a fancy background, good education, a former/current good-paying job and a bunch of money to get started. You supposedly started with very little, worked your way up to make a decent living, and made your own way doing something many people dream of. Your own boss, own hours, freedom, semi-unlimited potential, and non-back-breaking work.

Actually, where the AP's lose me, every time. Nobody with all of that is going to move to Vegas to become a casino AP. Yes, a few of the professional poker players thus adapted college or whatever degrees, but, the difference is that, unlike the thus blackjack authors, they were allowed to cycle through their bankrolls.

KJ turned out to be only another reminder of what happens to the others who do. I mean, again, I've yet to run into a casino AP that isn't functionally illiterate, however. Persons who think that it's the "pot of gold at the end of the rainbow".

[accountinquestion]

KJ,

I think someone touched on this point a bit as to why isn't/hasn't Rob and MDawg being raked over the coals as much as you.
They are not Advantage Players, they may claim to do/have done advantage play things but that's not their livelihood/career.


You were supposed to be one of the few who didn't have a fancy background, Good education, a former/current good-paying job and a bunch of money to get started. You supposedly started with very little, worked your way up to make a decent living, and made your own way doing something many people dream of. Your own boss, own hours, freedom, semi-unlimited potential, and non-back-breaking work (A few sprained arms here and there )

But now we haven't any clue as to what was/is true when it comes to you

Honestly it really seems that Kewl has a large amount of jealousy for Singer and Mdawg. I can't really explain his behavior otherwise. Sure there is a lot of deflection and it also feeds into Kewls desire to be seen as a victim. "Why aren't they hassled like poor me? I'm just a humble counter who has only lied once but out of necessity"

How much effort can he spend debunking stuff that APs don't believe to begin with?

Far more than a sane person would ever do.

[MDawg]

Everything and anything he has ever said will come into question and years of his forum adventures in BJ and life will be labeled as fiction.

But now we haven't any clue as to what was/is true when it comes to you

[MDawg]

He lied a lot of times, admitted it a few times (fake death, I am not gay (I am gay), backrooming lawsuit), was obviously lying other times even though he would not admit it.

The fact that even after it was painfully obvious that almost none of the backrooming incident the way he described it made sense that he weakly stuck to the line of "but it happened even though there was no lawsuit" means that he's not one to back down from lies easily.

Had MaxPen not done his searching, we would probably still be reading long essays about the lawsuits, and how we are all fools to be doubting it.

I don't think there was any incident which was lawsuit-worthy, which is why we got so many changing and bizarre versions of the same story.

I don't think you'll ever give up your lying. It is too much ingrained in who you are.

How many people get caught the first time they lie? Most get away with it for some time before caught.

[MDawg]

If you want to delve a little deeper into his brain, consider when, after years of discussing how he is gay, he suddenly declared that he had been feeding steady misinformation to everyone about who and what he is, and then just a few days later when he realized that the fallout was making him look less than credible, he retracted all that.

Similar to how he could never explain why lying about there being a lawsuit would somehow protect his privacy, he also never explained how pretending that he was gay would further his anonymity. Just not well thought out lies.

In 2017, he wrote this:

No, you are not allowed to make stuff up that is complete bullshit to discredit other people and reputations, especially people that don't participate here to defend themselves. That is NOT an opinion, that a character assassination based on complete lies and untruths.

As per "another member like everyone else", very few AP's that I know of use multiple handles. Most use one handle, of slight variation of throughout multiple forums. It is the trolls and people who have something to hide that use multiple handles and sockpuppets. This allows them to change their stories and create a new "persona" whenever they feel like it. You are obviously in this "troll / have something to hide" group.

but now, six years later, is there even one trick in the arsenal of the "troll / have something to hide" group, that he himself has not utilized?

1) He made up complete bullshit (such as the police report on Moses dropping by his condo, the player records being dropped off at his place on Halloween, the record of the lawsuit, the changing of the title on a condo, the programmer who checked out his shuffling machine in 15 minutes, oiling his surfboard) to try to back up his claims
2) He used multiple handles and sock puppets on various forums including especially WOV to try to get his point across
3) He tried to change his persona more than once, going so far as to claim that he was not even gay and had been lying about that all these years

As far as lying, he's gone on record many times about how he would never do that:

Here is the big difference between me and you guys. The truth is the truth. It doesn't change

The picture I get, is of someone so lost in trying to be something he is not, that he's lost sight of who he is, and what his values are. I think pretty much, this guy is willing to say anything to try to get across whatever agenda he has in mind, which at the end of the day, must be trying to convince people that he is in fact some kind of guru on what can and cannot be in casinos, and is in fact earning a living (to the tune of $1.5M so far ) playing blackjack.

And then there is perhaps the biggest disconnect between his words and his actions:

I don't want or need people to believe me on anything.

I and others have joked about the degrees of mental illness here, but I think a psychiatrist would have his hands full trying to take apart and reassemble KJ's psyche, trying to figure out what was real and what was imagined.

But now we haven't any clue as to what was/is true when it comes to you

[MDawg]

Now, I have to admit that given that he has declared that he will no longer talk to me or make reference to me, I feel a little guilty continuing on with this KJ Lied Topic, but it's hard not to try to nail down what turned out to be the one time the entire forum (even jbjb with his mention of the shuffling machine lie) united in outing one member.

Maybe enough has been said at this point.

R.I.P.


or maybe not....

[accountinquestion]

Now, I have to admit that given that he has declared that he will no longer talk to me or make reference to me, I feel a little guilty continuing on with this KJ Lied Topic, but it's hard not to try to nail down what turned out to be the one time the entire forum (even jbjb with his mention of the shuffling machine lie) united in outing one member.

Maybe enough has been said at this point.

R.I.P.


or maybe not....

Meh there once was a guy named Kewl and he fought for truth and transparency wherever he was on the forums. What you're doing is no different. I'm not suggesting you keep beating a dead horse (a surfing bj playing horse, that is) but don't beat yourself up over continuing the tradition.

[Gottlob1]

You can make the bulk of your forum work an attack on a thus POS, but, make sure that the guy is the real deal. Don't waste your time, like Freddy at GF's, going after the so-called Wizard of Vegas. How long has "his" thread been going? Since, Sep 5, 2015. I asked him, years ago, about what he hoped to achieve, but, there was no way to discourage him. He still shows up, every few months, to point out something that someone at the Wizard's wrote in some long ago obscure post. I guess what's left him, the "ghost" of Freddy. Years ago, he mentioned that although he read the stuff at VCT, well, he wasn't interested in signing up. Might have made a welcome addition to the crew at VCT, but, it's all "academic" now.

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[AxelWolf]

Actually, a mentally shrewd person, if s/he cared at all, remains with absolutely zero doubt about KJ. The person doesn't even have to know how to play blackjack, an essentially mindless game nonetheless.

You were supposed to be one of the few who didn't have a fancy background, good education, a former/current good-paying job and a bunch of money to get started. You supposedly started with very little, worked your way up to make a decent living, and made your own way doing something many people dream of. Your own boss, own hours, freedom, semi-unlimited potential, and non-back-breaking work.

Actually, where the AP's lose me, every time. Nobody with all of that is going to move to Vegas to become a casino AP. Yes, a few of the professional poker players thus adapted college or whatever degrees, but, the difference is that, unlike the thus blackjack authors, they were allowed to cycle through their bankrolls.

KJ turned out to be only another reminder of what happens to the others who do. I mean, again, I've yet to run into a casino AP that isn't functionally illiterate, however. Persons who think that it's the "pot of gold at the end of the rainbow".

FYI, very few are actually moving to Las Vegas to become Advantage Players. There are so many gambling locations nowadays that the can find something near where they currently live and travel when necessary.

I know quite a few people who have the following, a good education, a former/current good-paying job, and a bunch of money to get started that got into advantage play. There has been a big influx over the past 4-6 years. One of the smartest people I have ever met has been doing Advantage Play and doing well. He could make serious money just by coding, programming, computer stuff, etc.

Another very smart guy with an impressive background who turned to Advantage Play and has/does very well. Romes.

[Ozzy]

Actually, a mentally shrewd person, if s/he cared at all, remains with absolutely zero doubt about KJ. The person doesn't even have to know how to play blackjack, an essentially mindless game nonetheless.

You were supposed to be one of the few who didn't have a fancy background, good education, a former/current good-paying job and a bunch of money to get started. You supposedly started with very little, worked your way up to make a decent living, and made your own way doing something many people dream of. Your own boss, own hours, freedom, semi-unlimited potential, and non-back-breaking work.

Actually, where the AP's lose me, every time. Nobody with all of that is going to move to Vegas to become a casino AP. Yes, a few of the professional poker players thus adapted college or whatever degrees, but, the difference is that, unlike the thus blackjack authors, they were allowed to cycle through their bankrolls.

KJ turned out to be only another reminder of what happens to the others who do. I mean, again, I've yet to run into a casino AP that isn't functionally illiterate, however. Persons who think that it's the "pot of gold at the end of the rainbow".

FYI, very few are actually moving to Las Vegas to become Advantage Players. There are so many gambling locations nowadays that the can find something near where they currently live and travel when necessary.

I know quite a few people who have the following, a good education, a former/current good-paying job, and a bunch of money to get started that got into advantage play. There has been a big influx over the past 4-6 years. One of the smartest people I have ever met has been doing Advantage Play and doing well. He could make serious money just by coding, programming, computer stuff, etc.

Another very smart guy with an impressive background who turned to Advantage Play and has/does very well. Romes.

Don't forget you're former protege, the Asian gangster Djatc.

[Gottlob1]

Allow me to rephrase things.

Who with the wherewithal and benefits elsewhere would try for professional gambler, given how little you guys let on about it?

A cursory Google search for professional gambler yields as little. Something about successful gamblers like Thorp - who didn't actually make his money in the casinos. Surprising number of those guys ended up in jail for a few years. And, after a short blurb about it, to try this and that online casino to become a professional gambler. A few people claim that thus gamblers do exist, that they personally know not one, but several. Hmm. Not a lot about it on either of the gambling forums, let alone this one, except that professional gamblers, by definition, aren't supposed to talk about it. Go figure. At any rate, the steady parade of supposed professional gambler failures, in living technicolor. Even if, say, Crimm makes $500 a casino visit, I would hardly consider what he has to do to get it (constantly on the road alone, without retirement) worth it. And, again, there's the recent, KJ, debacle, still prominently on everyone's palate. The Wizard, with all of that supposed gambling knowledge, turned out to be the biggest thus joke of all. Still stuck daily on his (former) shithole of a forum. Yes, Romes is still there.

In conclusion, all of it still very much sounds like you have to know a guy who knows a guy, likely en route to yet another "rabbit hole" ... just to begin to find anything out it, what you're supposed to drop an already decent life, with friends and family, for. Doesn't sound a bit odd?

"Down the rabbit hole" is an English-language idiom or trope which refers to getting deep into something, or ending up somewhere strange. Lewis Carroll introduced the phrase as the title for chapter one of his 1865 novel Alice's Adventures in Wonderland, after which the term slowly entered the English vernacular. The term is usually used as a metaphor for distraction. In the 21st century the term has come to describe a person who gets lost in research or loses track of time while using the internet.

[MaxPen]

Allow me to rephrase things.

Who with the wherewithal and benefits elsewhere would try for professional gambler, given how little you guys let on about it?

A cursory Google search for professional gambler yields as little. Something about successful gamblers like Thorp - who didn't actually make his money in the casinos. Surprising number of those guys ended up in jail for a few years. And, after a short blurb about it, to try this and that online casino to become a professional gambler. A few people claim that thus gamblers do exist, that they personally know not one, but several. Hmm. Not a lot about it on either of the gambling forums, let alone this one, except that professional gamblers, by definition, aren't supposed to talk about it. Go figure. At any rate, the steady parade of supposed professional gambler failures, in living technicolor. Even if, say, Crimm makes $500 a casino visit, I would hardly consider what he has to do to get it (constantly on the road alone, without retirement) worth it. And, again, there's the recent, KJ, debacle, still prominently on everyone's palate. The Wizard, with all of that supposed gambling knowledge, turned out to be the biggest thus joke of all. Still stuck daily on his (former) shithole of a forum. Yes, Romes is still there.

In conclusion, all of it still very much sounds like you have to know a guy who knows a guy, likely en route to yet another "rabbit hole" ... just to begin to find anything out it, what you're supposed to drop an already decent life, with friends and family, for. Doesn't sound a bit odd?

"Down the rabbit hole" is an English-language idiom or trope which refers to getting deep into something, or ending up somewhere strange. Lewis Carroll introduced the phrase as the title for chapter one of his 1865 novel Alice's Adventures in Wonderland, after which the term slowly entered the English vernacular. The term is usually used as a metaphor for distraction. In the 21st century the term has come to describe a person who gets lost in research or loses track of time while using the internet.

For a guy who thinks he has it all figured out you sure are confused...RIP

[AxelWolf]

Allow me to rephrase things.

Who with the wherewithal and benefits elsewhere would try for professional gambler, given how little you guys let on about it?

A cursory Google search for professional gambler yields as little. Something about successful gamblers like Thorp - who didn't actually make his money in the casinos. Surprising number of those guys ended up in jail for a few years. And, after a short blurb about it, to try this and that online casino to become a professional gambler. A few people claim that thus gamblers do exist, that they personally know not one, but several. Hmm. Not a lot about it on either of the gambling forums, let alone this one, except that professional gamblers, by definition, aren't supposed to talk about it. Go figure. At any rate, the steady parade of supposed professional gambler failures, in living technicolor. Even if, say, Crimm makes $500 a casino visit, I would hardly consider what he has to do to get it (constantly on the road alone, without retirement) worth it. And, again, there's the recent, KJ, debacle, still prominently on everyone's palate. The Wizard, with all of that supposed gambling knowledge, turned out to be the biggest thus joke of all. Still stuck daily on his (former) shithole of a forum. Yes, Romes is still there.

In conclusion, all of it still very much sounds like you have to know a guy who knows a guy, likely en route to yet another "rabbit hole" ... just to begin to find anything out it, what you're supposed to drop an already decent life, with friends and family, for. Doesn't sound a bit odd?

"Down the rabbit hole" is an English-language idiom or trope which refers to getting deep into something, or ending up somewhere strange. Lewis Carroll introduced the phrase as the title for chapter one of his 1865 novel Alice's Adventures in Wonderland, after which the term slowly entered the English vernacular. The term is usually used as a metaphor for distraction. In the 21st century the term has come to describe a person who gets lost in research or loses track of time while using the internet.

It doesn't usually work like you are suggesting. As an example: Usually, someone starts off small. Why or how they get into it is for many different reasons. It could simply be a friend who tells an old schoolmate who just moved to town. The next thing you know that guy finds a juicy situation and does very well. A lightbulb goes off and they realize they can make as much or much more Advantage Playing without all the drawbacks of their Job. Oftentimes people do both advantage play and their other Job. Perhaps they do something they love, like an independent artist who can do both at their will.

One of the most successful smart AP's I know is actually a Doctor, he started way before me and he ran a team. I know a Judge that was working as an AP. I know very little about him and have seen or heard about him in many years. It's actually kinda crazy when I think about all the different backgrounds people came from. Sometimes it comes down to a guy who knows a guy. However, if someone is really interested in getting into AP nowadays, people know where to look. With a logical brain and a basic understanding of math/odds/percentages, it doesn't take long to separate BS from the real thing. There are some people who even with a good understanding of math/odds/percentages who just don't seem to get it, or just can't cut it.

[AxelWolf]

Allow me to rephrase things.

Who with the wherewithal and benefits elsewhere would try for professional gambler, given how little you guys let on about it?

A cursory Google search for professional gambler yields as little. Something about successful gamblers like Thorp - who didn't actually make his money in the casinos. Surprising number of those guys ended up in jail for a few years. And, after a short blurb about it, to try this and that online casino to become a professional gambler. A few people claim that thus gamblers do exist, that they personally know not one, but several. Hmm. Not a lot about it on either of the gambling forums, let alone this one, except that professional gamblers, by definition, aren't supposed to talk about it. Go figure. At any rate, the steady parade of supposed professional gambler failures, in living technicolor. Even if, say, Crimm makes $500 a casino visit, I would hardly consider what he has to do to get it (constantly on the road alone, without retirement) worth it. And, again, there's the recent, KJ, debacle, still prominently on everyone's palate. The Wizard, with all of that supposed gambling knowledge, turned out to be the biggest thus joke of all. Still stuck daily on his (former) shithole of a forum. Yes, Romes is still there.

In conclusion, all of it still very much sounds like you have to know a guy who knows a guy, likely en route to yet another "rabbit hole" ... just to begin to find anything out it, what you're supposed to drop an already decent life, with friends and family, for. Doesn't sound a bit odd?

"Down the rabbit hole" is an English-language idiom or trope which refers to getting deep into something, or ending up somewhere strange. Lewis Carroll introduced the phrase as the title for chapter one of his 1865 novel Alice's Adventures in Wonderland, after which the term slowly entered the English vernacular. The term is usually used as a metaphor for distraction. In the 21st century the term has come to describe a person who gets lost in research or loses track of time while using the internet.

For a guy who thinks he has it all figured out you sure are confused...RIP

Said the guy who just spent a long stint in jail for "AP"-related stuff (or so I have been told)...RIP.

[MisterV]

Said the guy who just spent a long stint in jail for "AP"-related stuff (or so I have been told)...RIP.

Really?

Garnabby was in the slammer and it involved gambling?

Do tell ...

[AxelWolf]

Said the guy who just spent a long stint in jail for "AP"-related stuff (or so I have been told)...RIP.

Really?

Garnabby was in the slammer and it involved gambling?

Do tell ...

Where have you been? I was talking about Max. Just Ask Mdawg and SV.

[MaxPen]

Allow me to rephrase things.

Who with the wherewithal and benefits elsewhere would try for professional gambler, given how little you guys let on about it?

A cursory Google search for professional gambler yields as little. Something about successful gamblers like Thorp - who didn't actually make his money in the casinos. Surprising number of those guys ended up in jail for a few years. And, after a short blurb about it, to try this and that online casino to become a professional gambler. A few people claim that thus gamblers do exist, that they personally know not one, but several. Hmm. Not a lot about it on either of the gambling forums, let alone this one, except that professional gamblers, by definition, aren't supposed to talk about it. Go figure. At any rate, the steady parade of supposed professional gambler failures, in living technicolor. Even if, say, Crimm makes $500 a casino visit, I would hardly consider what he has to do to get it (constantly on the road alone, without retirement) worth it. And, again, there's the recent, KJ, debacle, still prominently on everyone's palate. The Wizard, with all of that supposed gambling knowledge, turned out to be the biggest thus joke of all. Still stuck daily on his (former) shithole of a forum. Yes, Romes is still there.

In conclusion, all of it still very much sounds like you have to know a guy who knows a guy, likely en route to yet another "rabbit hole" ... just to begin to find anything out it, what you're supposed to drop an already decent life, with friends and family, for. Doesn't sound a bit odd?

For a guy who thinks he has it all figured out you sure are confused...RIP

Said the guy who just spent a long stint in jail for "AP"-related stuff (or so I have been told)...RIP.

[MisterV]

My bad, one step too slow.

Glad Garnabby wasn't incarcertated, I doubt his nerves could take it.

[accountinquestion]

My bad, one step too slow.

Glad Garnabby wasn't incarcertated, I doubt his nerves could take it.

The fact that he ignores the wishes of others with his rambling could make a funny scene. Out in the prison yard ..sits down by someone.