Fiction as fiction can be

[Rob.Singer]

Suggest everyone settle back and realize virtually nothing that kew proclaims is believable, believed, or really, worthy of reading any longer.

He has been nailed for lying about something he REALLY wanted to convince everyone that it was the truth, then he was caught numerous times later trying to lie his way out of it.

Let's face it--he's taken a beating like no other, and he knows he deserved it. And we get the added bonus of seeing him continue to humiliate himself, right in front of the people he most needs to convince that his concocted life is somehow real.

If anyone believes kew leads any part of a successful BJ life, you need a correction. I suggest you go over his nonsense, pile after pile, and when you come up for air, revaluate.

[accountinquestion]

I bet steam is coming out of his ears trying to think up a response.

Far easier to repeat Mdawg and Singer lie.

When trying to defend yourself there are all those pesky traps you lay for yourself.

[kewlJ]

Dude everything you just said as a rebuttal is pure speculation. it is opinion and nothing else. So stop with this crap that it is proof or something has been proven.

The keypad is actually on the outside or was with the models that I encountered both at El Cortez and East Cannery.

East cannery was actually more blatant about it that El Cortez. East cannery was also easier to spot because there was only one double deck game with an ASM. There was a second double deck game that was only open on Saturday night, but it did not have an ASM. So with one table and game, it doesn't take long to realize your results are not what they should be. At El Cortez there were 4 tables and two had this newer ASM while the first two did not. So it took a while to realize that results at the second two tables were off.

So at East Cannery, I started losing, regularly. Not every session, but results were just crap. Seemed to hover around break even while I was playing a very good, deeply dealt double deck game and often playing heads up, and getting many rounds in. After months of this, I felt like something was wrong. That probably isn't enough time to statistically prove anything, as you need millions of rounds for that kind of definitive proof. But as an experienced counter, you can just feel when something isn't right.

So I played many times before I even began to take notice of what was happening. These machines jam and a card gets stuck very frequently, so a pit guy is always doing something to the machine. I just never paid much attention. Then several times I noticed the pit guy, more often than not it was the same weekday afternoon pit guy named "Angel" that would punch in a code (I later learned the terminology they use for this is key although it is a code not a physical key). Usually I was playing heads up, although a few times there was another player. And each time I would lose and saw similar strange clumping.

So one day, the last time I played that table and machine, I sit down and am playing and Angel, comes over and punches in a code or key. The machine hadn't malfunctioned or anything, so I said to him "how come every time you punch in a code, I lose?" He just smiled and walked away. Didn't deny anything or make an excuse as I was sort of expecting. Just smiled and walked away.

I didn't really know what to do about it. I knew what was going on but didn't feel like I had proof enough to say anything, even an accusing post on a forum. So I just decided my days of playing Eastside Cannery were over. No big deal. Since I hadn't seem this or unusual results anywhere else, I figured it was just a one time, lone wolf sort of deal. And this was just the kind of casino you would figure for something like that, an independent smaller place. They were under the same umbrella as Cannery casino up North, but each casino really was independent.

We still went in there because my partner and I liked both the buffet and little coffee shop. And it was still on our rotation for video poker machine play that my partner was doing, but I never played blackjack again and within a year the casino was bought out by Boyd, and that double deck game, the shuffle machine and Angel, I never saw again.

I don't know when El Cortez happened without looking it up. It had to be a year or more later. But as soon as I realized what was going on, I said "I have seen this all before". This time I said, I need to prove this to myself and say or do something. I tracked over 100 shoes (double deck dealt from a shoe) seeing repeated clumping and false high counts where no high cards followed. 100 shoes! some by flat betting and watching. Some by standing or sitting at a machine nearby and watching. THAT is when I decided to say something. I was thinking well this is going to spread and keep happening.

[accountinquestion]

Dude everything you just said as a rebuttal is pure speculation. it is opinion and nothing else. So stop with this crap that it is proof or something has been proven.

The keypad is actually on the outside or was with the models that I encountered both at El Cortez and East Cannery.

East cannery was actually more blatant about it that El Cortez. East cannery was also easier to spot because there was only one double deck game with an ASM. There was a second double deck game that was only open on Saturday night, but it did not have an ASM. So with one table and game, it doesn't take long to realize your results are not what they should be. At El Cortez there were 4 tables and two had this newer ASM while the first two did not. So it took a while to realize that results at the second two tables were off.

So at East Cannery, I started losing, regularly. Not every session, but results were just crap. Seemed to hover around break even while I was playing a very good, deeply dealt double deck game and often playing heads up, and getting many rounds in. After months of this, I felt like something was wrong. That probably isn't enough time to statistically prove anything, as you need millions of rounds for that kind of definitive proof. But as an experienced counter, you can just feel when something isn't right.

So I played many times before I even began to take notice of what was happening. These machines jam and a card gets stuck very frequently, so a pit guy is always doing something to the machine. I just never paid much attention. Then several times I noticed the pit guy, more often than not it was the same weekday afternoon pit guy named "Angel" that would punch in a code (I later learned the terminology they use for this is key although it is a code not a physical key). Usually I was playing heads up, although a few times there was another player. And each time I would lose and saw similar strange clumping.

So one day, the last time I played that table and machine, I sit down and am playing and Angel, comes over and punches in a code or key. The machine hadn't malfunctioned or anything, so I said to him "how come every time you punch in a code, I lose?" He just smiled and walked away. Didn't deny anything or make an excuse as I was sort of expecting. Just smiled and walked away.

I didn't really know what to do about it. I knew what was going on but didn't feel like I had proof enough to say anything, even an accusing post on a forum. So I just decided my days of playing Eastside Cannery were over. No big deal. Since I hadn't seem this or unusual results anywhere else, I figured it was just a one time, lone wolf sort of deal. And this was just the kind of casino you would figure for something like that, an independent smaller place. They were under the same umbrella as Cannery casino up North, but each casino really was independent.

We still went in there because my partner and I liked both the buffet and little coffee shop. And it was still on our rotation for video poker machine play that my partner was doing, but I never played blackjack again and within a year the casino was bought out by Boyd, and that double deck game, the shuffle machine and Angel, I never saw again.

I don't know when El Cortez happened without looking it up. It had to be a year or more later. But as soon as I realized what was going on, I said "I have seen this all before". This time I said, I need to prove this to myself and say or do something. I tracked over 100 shoes (double deck dealt from a shoe) seeing repeated clumping and false high counts where no high cards followed. 100 shoes! some by flat betting and watching. Some by standing or sitting at a machine nearby and watching. THAT is when I decided to say something. I was thinking well this is going to spread and keep happening.

You completely avoided the points I made because well they aren't refutable.

This idea that they turned the cheat mode on specifically for you doesn't jive at all with this idea these other mysterious PMing APs were exploiting it.

I guess these guys who were exploiting it were like - "Waitress! I'd like a vodka tonic and make it a double. Pit! Could you punch in the code for us."

I guess they leave it off for those guys then turn it on for you?

All and all this is a decent response if you ignore the fact you don't address my calling out your nonsensical claims about the purchased shufflemaster. Not a total fail.

I like that name tho - Angel. lol. Good name for a work of fiction. You know, fiction as fiction can be.

[kewlJ]

Angel was at East Cannery a long time. He was obviously Latino, bald head, thin, maybe 35-40, possibly a bit older, hard to tell. Since there are other local AP's that played at East Cannery (not sure all played table games) I would think maybe someone could verify Angel was not made up. But on this forum with so few, maybe not.

You are conflating things said. I don't know if that is intentional or not. I am trying to give you the benefit of doubt.

The only place I saw someone punch in the code or Key was at Eastside Cannery. I didn't even realize these machines had a keypad and little led screen (about 1/2 inch by 2 inches) on them until that time. I believe Angel and Eastside Cannery were selective, targeting players they perceived to be card counters and I a regular once or twice a week was probably at the top of that list. I don't think they were in cheat mode all that often. That is why I saw them place the machine in cheat mode.

At El Cortez, I never saw anybody punch in the code or "key". One I figured out that the two newer tables and machines were the problem I again noticed that small 1/2 inch by 2 inch led screen. But I never saw anyone punch in the code like Angel did. I suspect El Cortez kept the machine in 'cheat mode" for lack of a better term permanently. That is why the group that was playing that play had access to it all the time.

You have to remember the timing. El cortez reconfigured their pits, which is when two addition blackjack tables with ASM, the newer ASM were added. For me, it was an addition opportunity, two more tables with usually different pit than the main group of tables. They weren't "new" pit people. I had seen them and played with them, but not the usual ones I played with most often. That is what attracted me to these two new tables and new ASM.

So the whole timeline from the reconfigured pot, to me realizing what was happening,, doing my own research of tracking 100+ shoes, to posting about the situation, to when they removed those two additional tables and ASM was I don't know a month?, 5 weeks? 6 weeks? probably at least a month, because they remained for about a week after I posted and the post was picked up at other forums. I am going to say the whole timeline was 5 weeks. 5 weeks from the time they re-configured putting in two extra blackjack tables and new ASM until they removed them. Isn't THAT in itself odd? That action should almost confirm what I have reported.

[MDawg]

How do you know when UNKewlJ is lying? He's posting on an internet forum.

[kewlJ]

Actually, in thinking about it Angel was older than 35-40. I remember he told me he had just turned 50 because I remember thinking he looked good for his age. No I wasn't interested.

And that is one of the things not mentioned about this. Angel was always friendly towards me. A friendly hello and all that. Just regular customer friendly. But I could see concern from time to time. Heat isn't just when someone taps you on the shoulder. If that happens you have missed signals and warning signs.

So one of the things about East Cannery at the end, when I was losing more often than not, way more than I should have been, was all of the sudden, there was no concern on their part. I have seen that happen a couple of times. When a place that is sweaty or has shown concern over your play suddenly doesn't seem to care, keep an eye on things. Check your results against expectation. Something is probably going on.

Of course what do I know. This isn't actual experience talking according to the trolls. I only read things in books.

[accountinquestion]

Lol at the last line. I can tell you are proud of some decent bullshit.

It could all be believable even if not for your other claims about buying the shuffler and all the silliness involving that.

Referring to stuff no one else can verify doesn't mean much though. It would take serious effort and not a basic sniff test.

Checking results against expectation would take far more hands than you'd get in there. You know that but hey whatever. Can't get it all right.

B-

[kewlJ]

Checking results against expectation would take far more hands than you'd get in there. You know that but hey whatever. Can't get it all right.

B-

This is true. Not a large enough sample size to stand up as proof in court or with a gambling commission. But comparing actual results to expectation is only part of it. An experienced player can just feel when something is off or not legit.

It got to the point that I could predict exactly what would occur. The count would be high, meaning low cards would come out and there was an abundance of high cards remaining. So you would raise you bet because you should be at an advantage, only to keep losing. Because small cards kept coming out. You would get an 11 vs 6 double down made up of 3 small cards (your two cards and the dealer 6). The count was already high at the beginning of that hand and even higher after those 3 cards and guess what your double down card is a 4 and the dealer turns over 2 MORE cards to make a 17 or 18. And this is double deck!

And then you can predict what happens next. the next 3 rounds you push 20-20 with the dealer while the clump of 10 value cards come out.

Yes, this kind of clumping occurs naturally some, but when you see it over and over and over at double deck, it hits you. And it should.

Don't dismiss the gut feeling that something isn't right that an experienced player gets. It may not always be, but it is well worth taking an extra look at things and investigating a little.

When I was tracking over 100 shoes at El cortez, here is what I found. with a 10 card clump there is going to be a high plus count +4 or+5 or a low minus count of -4 or minus 5 at some pont in the deck depending oif the clump comes out early, middle, late, or is behind the cut card. +4 or 5 or -4 or -5 almost every show. That is not normal. You wont see any shoes that just hover around zero (nuetral count) or + or - 1. It will be + or -4 or higher because of the clump. Almost every time.

THAT is what I was looking for and that is exactly what I saw.

[kewlJ]

Now one time I had this same gut feeling something was wrong and it turned out I was wrong. It was just after casinos re-opened after Covid. I was playing South Point alot. You all remember South Point right? So I started getting clobbered at their double deck game. Several times a week for several weeks. AND sweaty South Point didn't even seem to care about my spread. In fairness pits folks had new responsibilities at that time, wiping down or seeing to it that seats and player spots were wiped down after every player left. They were running a blue light wand over chips and all kinds of silliness. And everyone wore a mask. And there were 3 seats to a table. So they had their hands full.

So anyway, I drop 25k over a couple weeks, pretty quickly playing a max bet of about $300. I mean that is 80+ max bets. That is some serious negative variance. There was no ASM at these tables, so I knew that wasn't it. I began to suspect that some 10's were removed from the deck. I made it a point to show up when they opened the tables to see what the procedure was as far as spreading the cards. Both the dealer and pit is supposed to go through the decks looking to be sure each card is there. So after the dealer does this fanning out all the cards, the pit guy comes along picks up the deck, turns his back to me the player and starts flipping through, presumably double checking each card is there. I Immediately though he was removing a couple 10's. I even posted accusing that I believe right here on this forum.

As time went on I kept playing that game and low and behold started winning. Won back a good portion of that very bad variance over the following weeks and concluded that I was wrong, gut feeling and all. Admitted that as well right here. Although the pit guy turning his back to the players while he checks the cards certainly is NOT proper procedure. The reason that procedure is done the way it is, is for transparency, so the player can see all the cards are there if he wants to. So the pit guy turning his back to do it defeats the whole purpose.

But anyway, the point is I....and my gut feeling were wrong on that occasion. But I will still trust my gut feeling....that of an experienced player, and take an extra look and investigate things when I feel like something isn't right.

[MDawg]

The UNKewl one was a liar, and like most liars, he was constantly changing his stories, altering time and personnel from one telling to the next. One time he would tell a story about someone, next time he would switch the story around to give himself the lead. He would sit in the casino coffee shop over coffee and pound cake, talking at random about his experiences, posting constantly on internet forums, plotting ways to take down all those he is envious of, never actually entering the casino, afraid like a nervous poodle to even play

(other than red to green).

[tableplay]

Programmers aren't cheap. Especially one that can hack a machine in 15 minutes.

[accountinquestion]

Programmers aren't cheap. Especially one that can hack a machine in 15 minutes.

When hiring a guy to hack a backdoor into the main product of a billion+ dollar company and the guy does it in under an hour.. don't you think you owe it to him to pay the full hour?

Kewl ?

[kewlJ]

Ok this thread was started in reference to the post and claims Mdawg made where he claimed to have played double deck blackjack on the strip for 10 straight hours, spreading $100-$5000, cleaning out all the $500 chips and winning $60k.

Wizard finally chimed in today expressing his opinion on this claim. And yes, it was at my request. Wizards mission statement when he started WoV was to help players be better gamblers. In recent conversations, with Mike, I pointed out that allowing a player to make these kinds of claims unchallenged (as he has done for much of the Mdawg adventure run), was NOT helping players be better gamblers. Anyone that attempted to duplicate would find themselves backed off / barred and with a new entry in OSN within about 5 minutes.

All I have ever wanted with regards to this Mdawg "adventure" was for people and real players that play Las Vegas to be able to weigh in with the opinion that these claims are not the way things work. Mike's protecting of Mdawg by suspending and driving away many real players that did that, was very contradictory to his own stated mission of his forum.

So I applaud Mike Shackleford for finally pointing out multiple issues with this claim that are frankly ridiculous (Mike's word) and unbelievable. Mike did a fairly good job. One thing he left out was that Mdawg claims he played this $100-$5000 spread for 10 straight hours. Any blackjack player who plays Vegas knows that kind of 1-50 spread would last about 5 minutes.

Now, although he alluded to card counting in this thread/claim and has similarly alluded to card counting in the past, Mdawg has now changed his story a bit to that he has "rainman-like" abilities to track and remember every card played. First thing that comes to mind is how Alan would have responded. Alan had a problem with me tracking a second table, I can't help but wonder what he would have had to say about Mdawg claiming he is rainman. (rest in peace Alan).

So there are two very distinct parts to this claim. 1) is that Mdawg could in fact track every card ala "rainman". And 2) is how long a casino, especially a Las neges STRIP casino would allow a player to do so, especially at the high limits claimed. Again a realistic answer to question #2 is about 5 minutes.

So what is interesting is that unable to explain or answer Wizards criticism and no believing, Mdawg has come here attacking me. According to him, I am now a male prostitute of Pacific Islander decent/heritage. I guess these preposterous attacks somehow explain the claims that defy the way Las Vegas works as now called out by even Mr Shackleford.

[MDawg]

Here's the thing UnKewLyingJ. I state what I state, and then don't go back with thousand word ramblings the way you do. You ramble because you stutter when you lie and feel the obsessive need to try to back up your lies with other lies. Which is why you ended up slammed down and conclusively established as a compulsive liar on now multiple occasions. You lie because you can't help it and you have to keep lying.

All I added to my quiet statement of what happened is that I'm willing to back it up with a challenge.

Unfortunately, you don't have two nickels to rub together, otherwise I could create a new challenge where your scrawny Pacific Islander ass could walk into the casino with me and watch me play double deck 1 - 50X, just the way I did that day, but you'd have to put up a LOT to make it worth having to look at your mug for all that time.

So let's make it SEVEN:

The seven most major ones I can think of concern (1) his lie about Moses showing up at a condo he claimed he lived at, (2) a condo it turned out that he has no ownership in, (3) his faking his own death, (4) the nonsense about MGM execs showing up at his apartment on Halloween to give him player records on someone who isn't even MDawg, (5) the backrooming lawsuit, (6) the lie about being doxxed, (7) the rigged shuffler.


That rigged shuffler story, besides not making any sense, reaffirmed in my mind that this guy really doesn't play much table games, because I'd expect such nonsense from a recreational player, not a card counter.

I am sure that the police report about Moses, the condo title, his death certificate, the player records, the docket for the backrooming lawsuit, the doxxing post and his claimed record at some casino, and the evidence about the shuffler - all exist in one and only one place - UNKewlJ's lying demented mind.

[kewlJ]

Why have you not made that same challenge to Wizard? He is the one today that burst your bubble by saying 3 different times, that he didn't believe these "ridiculous" (his word) claims. Make that challenge to Wizard at WoV in the thread where he questioned and expressed doubt of your claim.

[MDawg]

Because you're the one whining over it, but there's no way even if you sold everything you push around in those dual shopping carts on Desert Inn / Mojave that you'd be able to come up with more than a couple nickels to rub together.

The thing about KJ - if you actually read what he writes - is that he constantly echoes the words/phrases and themes of the immediately previous replies by others. As I noted, a while back, he's extremely suggestible. Not someone in control of even his own life. People don't always end up in places like Vegas by their own conscious volition. My guess would be some nut-job living from one day to the next, now on the internet. Certainly of negligible intelligence, etc.

[kewlJ]

Posting this nonsense is NOT making the great Mdawg seem more credible.

Have you just given up now?


I probably shouldn't say this but the fact is that I played the strip each of the last two nights. And in total I probably got in just about 10 hours worth of play (although that is not the way I track my play).

But here is how 10 hours of blackjack play on the strip really works:

I played a total of 13 sessions over the 2 nights at 8 different casinos. My residence has a car service so I was dropped off at MGM and walked north to playing numerous locations before being picked up. THAT is the way Las Vegas card counting works. The idea of sitting at a table (double deck no less) and spreading $100-$5000 for 10 straight hours is as make-believe as Rob's Newell or Alan seeing 18 y.o. in a row.

[MDawg]

We all know you've been whining to Wizard for years now begging him regularly to get me to stop harassing you, but how about admitting that you're the thieving lying low down no good varmint who contacted Wizard to try to get him to bring up one of my winning blackjack sessions.

We all know that ALL of your blackjack sessions have been dispelled,

Everything and anything he has ever said will come into question and years of his forum adventures in BJ and life will be labeled as fiction.

But now we haven't any clue as to what was/is true when it comes to you

plus you whine like a fairy and have your panties in a bunch, like a repetitive whining UNKOOL poster so it makes perfect sense that you pestered Wizard to bring this up.

It's not a problem, just admit it. Without a 10x multiplier response, if possible!

[Rob.Singer]

My my my....kew is STILL begging for relevancy after embarrassing the hell out of himself with his lies.

Here's a hint kew: instead of trying to discredit others when really nobody cares, why don't you try asking for forgiveness for all your lying about yourself, others, and then yourself again as you very weakly and stupidly, kept trying to incorporate a myriad of ridiculous excuses for your incredible disgrace?

In The Name Of The Father, The Son, And The Holy Ghost. Amen.