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[MaxPen]

You're not supposed to be eating foods that cause dramatic insulin spikes.

That is carbs isn't it?

All that went away about 3 months into the Viome program.

Ok, now we have a name for what you are doing. Can research it some. Thanks for that.

BTW, Almost EVERYTHING may cause acid reflex. Nobody really has any idea. All they really know is the LES valve weakens and/or stops working for whatever reason. And this is the important part. That value weakening and stopping working and acid reflux in general is so much, more prevalent in the U.S. That other places. It HAS to be related to diet! Wouldn't surprise me if sugar is the real culprit.

There's a big difference in types of carbs. Example sweet potato which is complex and a white potato, steel cut oats vs instant, fruit vs candy bar. Refer to a glycemic index for low insulin spike foods.

[MDawg]

I just completed almost a full year (over 11 months) no red meat - only poultry and seafood as far as "animal flesh."
...I didn't see any change in anything between a year ago's results, and this year's.

I did a similar thing and had a similar result. Let me educate you. The whole cholesterol thing has pretty much been debunked. More recent studies have shown that your diet, in the long term, has little influence on your cholesterol numbers. Also those lipid panel numbers don't mean much either. There are more advanced tests like cholesterol particle density/size that are more significant. But if you're really worried about your heart health go see a cardiologist and have a nuclear imaging/stress test done and be done with it. IMO anyone around 40 or over should consider doing it at least once.

In my experience fish/krill oil at 1.2-1.4g a day will lower my triglycerides, but a recent study showed that fish oil did not reduce the incidents of heart attacks... so we are essentially chasing our tails. Also in my personal experience I've found regular exercise will improve cholesterol numbers a bit, but again... are these numbers actually significant?? Just for fun look up what happens when your total cholesterol is under 160 after the age of 80... no bueno!

I take all those supplements, as you might know from the pictures I've posted of all those bottles lining up the cabinet tops in the Vegas hotel suites, but if they do work, they would only work in the long term as you allude.

Regular exercise is definitely an anti-ager if vigorous enough. However, sports related injuries do take longer to heal as we get older. When I was 20 years old I could work out too hard to the point where I couldn't even lift my arm because I had tweaked my elbow joint in some bad way, and then 24 hours later...nothing. If I inadvertently injure myself to that point today while lifting weights, it will definitely take more than a day to recover.

I'll look into the test you mention and about whether - low cholesterol is a bad thing over age 80? There is actually next to no heart disease history on both sides of my family, so it's not something I am "worried" about, but still, I like to monitor my health.

Given that life insurance companies hang their hats on at least the T. Chol/HDL Ratio, I wouldn't say that those lipid tests mean nothing.

[MaxPen]

I just completed almost a full year (over 11 months) no red meat - only poultry and seafood as far as "animal flesh."
...I didn't see any change in anything between a year ago's results, and this year's.

I did a similar thing and had a similar result. Let me educate you. The whole cholesterol thing has pretty much been debunked. More recent studies have shown that your diet, in the long term, has little influence on your cholesterol numbers. Also those lipid panel numbers don't mean much either. There are more advanced tests like cholesterol particle density/size that are more significant. But if you're really worried about your heart health go see a cardiologist and have a nuclear imaging/stress test done and be done with it. IMO anyone around 40 or over should consider doing it at least once.

In my experience fish/krill oil at 1.2-1.4g a day will lower my triglycerides, but a recent study showed that fish oil did not reduce the incidents of heart attacks... so we are essentially chasing our tails. Also in my personal experience I've found regular exercise will improve cholesterol numbers a bit, but again... are these numbers actually significant?? Just for fun look up what happens when your total cholesterol is under 160 after the age of 80... no bueno!

I take all those supplements, as you might know from the pictures I've posted of all those bottles lining up the cabinet tops in the Vegas hotel suites, but if they do work, they would only work in the long term as you allude.

Regular exercise is definitely an anti-ager if vigorous enough. However, sports related injuries do take longer to heal as we get older. When I was 20 years old I could work out too hard to the point where I couldn't even lift my arm because I had tweaked my elbow joint in some bad way, and then 24 hours later...nothing. If I inadvertently injure myself to that point today while lifting weights, it will definitely take more than a day to recover.

I'll look into the test you mention and about whether - low cholesterol is a bad thing over age 80? There is actually next to no heart disease history on both sides of my family, so it's not something I am "worried" about, but still, I like to monitor my health.

Given that life insurance companies hang their hats on at least the T. Chol/HDL Ratio, I wouldn't say that those lipid tests mean nothing.

Go Get an executive physical. Have them do a VO2 max test along with everything else. Depending on what type of package you get it may be included. I was told by the main physician that the results of that test is a great predictor for future health.

[kewlJ]

Supplements are a joke/scam. And you people like mdawg that take fistfulls daily from rows if bottles lined up on your counter are fools.

And I say that even though I take krill fish oil, coq10 and a daily vitamin.

First chemicals. All the chemicals involved in getting it to that pill form more than offset any benefit. Chemicals and processing = bad. Very bad.

Secondly the body has a hard time absorbing that shit. The absorption rate is much lower than you are being told, so any benefit it much smaller.

If you are deficient in some nutrient or vitamin, incorporate foods high in them into your diet. THAT is how we are supposed to get our vitamins and nutrients, not from a fisful of supplements.

[MDawg]

It would be nice to have some gauge of future health, but more important is to know if any habits need to be changed today and what should be done today to promote longevity and quality of life. The eat right and exercise regularly are obvious.

The only time I've had anything like what you describe ("an executive physical. Have them do a VO2 max test") is years ago when I thought I was experiencing some kind of heart thing. I went to the E.R. and they misinterpreted the test that shows if you've had a heart attack because I understand that if you lift weights you will always test positive on at least one of the Troponin markers, and I've lifted very heavy weights all my life. Anyway, I ended up in the hospital for two days and they ran a ridiculous amount of tests on me including heart scan while running on a treadmill and so on, everything all negative. All this family kept visiting me worried something was wrong but nothing was.

The function of how seriously they take your claims of heart pains might also be related to how good your health insurance is.

BTW the Apple Watch is screwy with its predictor of "stress" it was frequently telling me that my workouts were putting too much stress on my system, which is nonsense, so I stopped looking at that output from its Health app.

[kewlJ]

The function of how seriously they take your claims of heart pains might also be related to how good your health insurance is.

No it is not. I have been in emergency rooms, for myself and others waiting our turn and seen people come in complaining of chest pain or tightness and they are immediately rushed back. Even before they even know what insurance they have. Even if they look like they might have no insurance.

They take even the possibility of heart attack very seriously. In large part because if a person is having a heart attack or even recently had a heart attack, every second before they are administered treatment, makes a huge difference in the severity and outcome.

[jdog]

I'll look into the test you mention and about whether - low cholesterol is a bad thing over age 80? There is actually next to no heart disease history on both sides of my family, so it's not something I am "worried" about, but still, I like to monitor my health.
Given that life insurance companies hang their hats on at least the T. Chol/HDL Ratio, I wouldn't say that those lipid tests mean nothing.

Yep, low cholesterol is EXTREMELY bad for the very elderly. A quick google search will show you.
Having no heart disease on either side is a good indicator for you. But you probably have some anxiety about any kind of chest pains (same as me) and panic attacks are the real deal and feel just like a heart attack... I know from experience. Get the tests done and then do meditations regularly, problem solved.
Does the chol ratio mean anything?? Maybe a little, but the cholesterol myths have been accepted for decades and it takes a long time for a paradigm shift to happen. Plus this is reinforced by a cash cow for your doctor with the statins, every six months blood tests and follow up appointments. I will say this to everyone: If any of you are being prescribed statins solely based on lipid tests (not confirmed heart disease), possibly consider getting a new primary care physician. There are downsides to statins, they are not a miracle drug to be handed out like Pez candies.

I can do meals in 5-6 hour windows without issues. Some can do one meal a day, I can't. Everyone is different. I only have spikes with refined sugars or maybe pineapple.

kewl, get a handle on your reflux. Serious reflux can lead to Barrett's or even esophageal cancer which is very bad news.

Maxpen seems to know his shit on eating right. Surprising to see so many health conscious people on VCT but this place is full of surprises.

[MDawg]

I don't get panic attacks, I'm pretty Vulcan in my emotionality. If there would be any "back of mind" concerns, they would center around some kind of undetectable disease that by the time I realize I have it, it's too late. Then again, I think I'd rather go without getting sick would probably rather just die than get sick and gradually decline.

[Rob.Singer]

Panic attacks? Among gamblers? Really??

Panic attacks are a product of the weak and pathetic: Suburban housewives, where it all just didn't work out the way they envisioned as they played with Barbie, or where things didn't turn out as cup-cakey as that Strawberry Shortcake Berry Happy Home promised. Or sadass losing gamblers, where the AP dream of no 8-5 didn't come with the guarantee of healthcare and retirement benefits.

All these gambler's mea culpas that pop up whenever health scares surface are as empty as the days and years that came before for these people. I mean, is it really any wonder why an asshat like kew has to make up a completely concocted online forum life at this point?

Most LV gamblers have no problem being unhealthy casino rats who drink, smoke, and constantly devour salt & sugar-laden fatty casino restaurant foods for years....only to later regret how they could possibly be so stupid. Similarly, the fact that they never thought far enuf ahead to actually prepare for their future shows how dark their lives have always been.

You get what you ask for people. I for one am not interested in all your whining.

[1Hit1der]

A 2015 study conducted by researchers from Harvard and UC Berkeley found that telling lies had a similar effect on the body, and was associated with increased blood pressure, heart rate acceleration, respiration rate, and pupil dilation.

What mental illness causes pathological lying? Pathological liar signs can be symptoms of obsessive-compulsive disorder, antisocial personality disorder, borderline personality disorder, narcissistic personality disorder, and Munchausen syndrome by proxy.

Rob, do you have either of the above? Perhaps, KJ puts himself in, the online hospital, for attention.

[MaxPen]

The picture of health

[1Hit1der]

It takes a lot of bad eating to cause problems. But no doubt there is a cumulative effect when it comes to bad decisions. It also takes a long time to correct problems thru good nutrition. Just like it takes years for problems to show. I got into nutrition due to a bad gallbladder. I had a gallbladder that had 3 gallstones and was functioning at 11%. Of course a surgeon said it should come out. I got a book on healing your gallbladder and liver naturally.

During all that is when I discovered the importance of a healthy microbiome. Something hardly any doctors talk about. Optimizing my gut health has been a total game changer. I lost 20% of my body weight and am at a normal BMI. I have no cravings, addictions of any kind, and sleep like a baby. Don't get tired like a lot of people I know who are the same age. Also my eyes improved 3 prescription levels to the good making glasses optional. Prior to that I had the same prescription for the past 10 years.

Call me crazy or whatever but I am completely reformed as to how I eat. It's definitely not a placebo. I don't believe in any of the all or nothing extreme fad diets. I do think eating all meals within a 4-8 hour window is definitely worthwhile with a day of no food every now and then.

Firstly, you speak from a lot of thus experience, and, so, as with Mickey, it would be foolish of me to try to disprove "the math of it". You're definitely not crazy. But, the body, aside from specific organs such as the heart, tends to rejuvenate itself. I heard that it takes about fifteen years before someone who has stopped smoking can't be distinguished from someone who didn't smoke.

I did google the gallbladder stuff. Apparently, surgery is routine, when there are thus stones, and, people live perfectly well without it having to store the bile from the liver.

For sure, losing additional weight is great.

I didn't look it up, but, I seem to remember reports of too many or much probiotics.

Probiotics are live microorganisms that are intended to have health benefits when consumed or applied to the body. They can be found in yogurt and other fermented foods, dietary supplements, and beauty products.

[jdog]

Panic attacks are a product of the weak and pathetic: ... Or sadass losing gamblers, where the AP dream of no 8-5 didn't come with the guarantee of healthcare and retirement benefits.

I was having some minor panic attacks years before I was ever really spending any significant time in casinos. You try doing two stints in the hospital for undiagnosed chest pains... and then see how calm you are when they come back again. What I went through I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy.

[kewlJ]

Panic attacks are a product of the weak and pathetic: ... Or sadass losing gamblers, where the AP dream of no 8-5 didn't come with the guarantee of healthcare and retirement benefits.

I was having some minor panic attacks years before I was ever really spending any significant time in casinos. You try doing two stints in the hospital for undiagnosed chest pains... and then see how calm you are when they come back again. What I went through I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy.

I don't know much about panic attacks, jdog, but don't waste your time even answering Rob Singer. If you look up troll, you will see a picture and description of some middle aged dude, living in his mom's basement spending his life trolling people.

You know what happens a few years later, when Mom dies? They end up living in their daughter's basement (or storage area for homes in the desert with no basements). Think Jerry Stiller in the King of Queens sitcom.

If you need a picture, just scroll back a couple posts. World's greatest gambler. Well one of two on this forum. Although the pictures in someone eles's RV at the dealership are more fitting.

[MDawg]

I don't know much about panic attacks

That's about as big a lie as that DarkOz is even tempered and able to get over the fact that he lost the Coach's Challenge with MDawg at WOV.

One thing you can tell, when UNKewlJ makes with the all bold sentences one after another something has really gotten to him. You can practically see the hand cocked onto his side, the bent elbow and the high pitched whiny voice complaining, "Now wayyyyt a minute, Misterrrrr."

[jdog]

Given that life insurance companies hang their hats on at least the T. Chol/HDL Ratio, I wouldn't say that those lipid tests mean nothing.

A bit more on cholesterol numbers: they are only one indicator of many, like family history... etc. For some people a very high LDL may be telling. Another indicator is your calcium score, but again these are only possible indicators. For example I have one elderly friend who had a horrible calcium score but went in and had a high res imaging/stress test done, and it found no blockages at all. Another example, my friend and I both have good to very good cholesterol numbers (my ratio is under 3) but we both have diagnosed some minor heart disease. So to us those lipid numbers are nearly useless. But again everyone is different.

As has already been discussed, sugar is the biggest enemy and I really try to watch my intake. Another issue that MaxPen brought up is the excessive consumption of seed oils. I avoid high Omega-6 oils like the plague. These things create inflammation and that is what causes coronary blockages, amongst other health issues. You think people were eating cottonseed oil thousands of years ago?? Of course not and your body has not evolved to process that yet.

[MDawg]

I don't know about cottonseed oil (27% saturated fat may be why it is not recommended), but I've been using a big bottle of refrigerated flaxseed oil (9% saturated fat) in place of olive oil (15% saturated fat) on my salads for a while now. Flaxseed oil and vinegar has been my salad dressing of choice for a while.

Calcium is another of those supplements you should avoid I think unless deficient, partly because taking it spikes levels, partly because it might build up and isn't flushed out of the system readily.

I've had T-Lymph / T-Cell tests run when I was part of a couple of studies I volunteered for, just to be able to get the test results, since these are not tests normally done on healthy people. I have read that taking extremely hot saunas followed by cold immersion or cold showers raises T-cells and immunity in general.


As far as the "You think people were eating ... thousands of years ago" that doesn't always make for good health habits. Cavemen were probably eating a lot of animal flesh and not much else.

[jdog]

Don't worry so much about saturated fats, that is outdated thinking. To go any further into this gets into the chemistry and it starts getting very complex, more than I want to write about here. But I'll quickly touch on your animal flesh comment: But what were those animals eating back then... and what are we feeding them now?

Give this a read for starters: https://chriskresser.com/the-diet-he...not-the-enemy/

[1Hit1der]

Say, though, that the thread has died down, a bit, I will get to posting up the simple physics progression of the initial sets of dimensions. The latter parts of those involve working inward to the fractional charges that form the neutron, and proton.

Here ya go. Ha. And nothing to do with anagrams, or gematria, per se.

The case of four, and, then, eight, (and sixteen, which isn't included) dimensions, on a circle of eight axes, is the progression from Matter, to velocity, with acceleration, and, (1 / velocity), with (acceleration / velocity^2), to the first forms of mass/energy, to momentum = (mass X velocity), with Force = (mass X acceleration), to Energy (opposing Matter, on the thus circle), to (acceleration / velocity) with (acceleration / velocity)^2, and, (velocity X acceleration), with acceleration^2, to the second forms of energy/mass, to Power = (Force X velocity) , with (Power / time) = (Force X acceleration), back to Matter, but on a different level than before.

The progression is fairly simple. For example, by (velocity X first mass) = force, and, similarly, the [(a / v) X second energy] = Power. But, a little trickier with the first energy-term, and second mass-term. Then velocity, and acceleration, are replaced with the terms, (1 / velocity), and (acceleration / velocity^2). Note that [velocity X (acceleration / velocity)] = its companion term, acceleration, and, so, by the same model, [(1 / velocity) X (acceleration / velocity)] = its companion term, (acceleration / velocity^2). Then, for example, (1 / velocity) X first energy = momentum = (mass X velocity), and, [(acceleration / velocity^2) X first energy] = force = mass X acceleration, which is the companion term to momentum. And, [(velocity X acceleration) X second mass] = Power.

To review, a bit. The respective diagonally companion terms, around the thus circle, in spot-1, of velocity, with acceleration, to spot-5, of (acceleration / velocity), with (acceleration / velocity)^2 = [(acceleration / velocity) X (acceleration / velocity)], by the same model as before. And, in spot-1, of (1 / velocity), with (acceleration / velocity)^2, to spot-5, of (velocity X acceleration), with acceleration^2 = [(acceleration X velocity) X (acceleration / velocity)], again by the same model as before. Every thing progress from the term of velocity, to acceleration, by a factor of (acceleration / velocity), and, by velocity inverted = (1 / velocity), to (acceleration / velocity^2), by the same factor, and, so on.

The first forms of mass/energy have to do with energy in terms of Work = Force X d, and, the second forms of mass/energy have to do with kinetic energy.

Of course, except for Matter, and Energy, with capitals, the absolute forms of, the above terms may be written with v's, a's, m's, and e's. And simplified, for example, (acceleration / velocity) = (1 / t), where t = time, and d = distance, given velocity = (d / t), and, acceleration = (v / t).

P.S. I didn't put it up here for others to understand, and, then, comment on it. Or, for myself to expound it. But, to be able to claim that I, first, put it on a gambling forum, and, then, absolutely no one gave a shit. Ha.


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[MisterV]

I give a shit.

It's beyond my ken, but I give two shits in fact.