Man stung in testicles by scorpion at the Venetian

[MDawg]

Typically these types of things are settled. If the guy wants something substantial though he will need to fight for it. (After all, this is a real world event, not an UNKewl fable where mid to high six figures are paid out with even filing a lawsuit.)

There are some things that may be done to try to establish where that scorpion came from...versus if it came from where the guy lives.

And no Dan Druff, just because there is an alternate explanation

For example, the scorpion could have hopped onto his suitcase at home or in the parking garage, and then got brought into the room, and crawled onto him at night.

He also could have intentionally brought in the scorpion, feigned the injury, and killed it and said it was already in the room.

does not mean this sort of claim fails automatically. There has to be some kind of evidence to support the alternate theory, or at a minimum some kind of motive, such as dire financial need, must be unearthed. Otherwise every insurance claim would fail when there are alternative theories for what happened.

There's also the matter of the duty of care the hotel has regarding bugs in the room. Perhaps they could be held liable for an infestation they ignored, but single bugs are hard to prevent, and scorpions are not easily thwarted by usage of pesticides.

This too is incorrect. You're arguing that we can't even get past "Duty" as far as a tort claim? Of course there is a duty to provide a room free of dangerous insects, whether one or an infestation. This is a sealed hotel room it's not a villa or bungalow on the ground floor with French or sliding glass doors opening right out to the desert.

Duty isn't the stumbling block here. The question for the claim here as far as

Breach
Causation (actual and legal cause)
Damages

will be, as you allude, whether the Venetian was the actual cause of the scorpion. If you can get a jury to buy that, then legal cause (foreseeability, that he would be bitten), is a snap.
And then you have damages.

I'd think that he went and backed up the matter with some kind of medical treatment or examination? to show that he was in fact stung recently.

If this ends up being some kind of severed finger in the chili fraud, it will come out. Absent that, his claim is worth something.

[MaxPen]

Typically these types of things are settled. If the guy wants something substantial though he will need to fight for it. (After all, this is a real world event, not an UNKewl fable where mid to high six figures are paid out with even filing a lawsuit.)

There are some things that may be done to try to establish where that scorpion came from...versus if it came from where the guy lives.

And no Dan Druff, just because there is an alternate explanation

For example, the scorpion could have hopped onto his suitcase at home or in the parking garage, and then got brought into the room, and crawled onto him at night.

He also could have intentionally brought in the scorpion, feigned the injury, and killed it and said it was already in the room.

does not mean this sort of claim fails automatically. There has to be some kind of evidence to support the alternate theory, or at a minimum some kind of motive, such as dire financial need, must be unearthed. Otherwise every insurance claim would fail when there are alternative theories for what happened.

There's also the matter of the duty of care the hotel has regarding bugs in the room. Perhaps they could be held liable for an infestation they ignored, but single bugs are hard to prevent, and scorpions are not easily thwarted by usage of pesticides.

This too is incorrect. You're arguing that we can't even get past "Duty" as far as a tort claim? Of course there is a duty to provide a room free of dangerous insects, whether one or an infestation. This is a sealed hotel room it's not a villa or bungalow on the ground floor with French or sliding glass doors opening right out to the desert.

Duty isn't the stumbling block here. The question for the claim here as far as

Breach
Causation (actual and legal cause)
Damages

will be, as you allude, whether the Venetian was the actual cause of the scorpion. If you can get a jury to buy that, then legal cause (foreseeability, that he would be bitten), is a snap.
And then you have damages.

I'd think that he went and backed up the matter with some kind of medical treatment or examination? to show that he was in fact stung recently.

If this ends up being some kind of severed finger in the chili fraud, it will come out. Absent that, his claim is worth something.

And this right here is a major part of what is wrong in the world today.

[Garnabby]

And this right here is a major part of what is wrong in the world today.

The universe is what it is, and, so, it can't be otherwise. Which makes it neither right, nor wrong. So perhaps the only true peace of mind, and body, lies in also really, in theory, and, actually, in practice, understanding it.

[DGenBen]

And this right here is a major part of what is wrong in the world today.

The universe is what it is, and, so, it can't be otherwise. Which makes it neither right, nor wrong. So perhaps the only true peace of mind, and body, lies in also really, in theory, and, actually, in practice, understanding it.

Very nihilistic take. The universe can be what it is & people are allowed to complain about over litigation which is something society does have control over by instilling values in people.

Drunk driver cripples you? Yes that is worth a lawsuit.

Scorpion stings your nuts? How is that Venetian’s fault? Its not like they are having a promotion to waive resort fees for any nut stinging scorpions that want to stay there.

If that happened to me, It wouldn’t even occur to me to try & sue.

[Garnabby]

And this right here is a major part of what is wrong in the world today.

The universe is what it is, and, so, it can't be otherwise. Which makes it neither right, nor wrong. So perhaps the only true peace of mind, and body, lies in also really, in theory, and, actually, in practice, understanding it.

Very nihilistic take. The universe can be what it is & people are allowed to complain about over litigation which is something society does have control over by instilling values in people.

The nature of reality, or philosophy (as an absolute), is that reality has no, and, but, every, nature. It doesn't take sides. Which, itself off to the side in a true dimensional equation (aside from a "Pi theory", or other, approach to string together the possible physical units of an equation/result) then instills thus meaning into the proper bits of the dimensional equation.

Specifically, even though we live in the harsh version, opposed to the overly pleasant version, of the (one) universe, the two versions rightly even out, are optimized. Its nature. Furthermore, right/wrong doesn't exactly always directly translate to good/bad.

I like to think that the notion or concept of the word, nothing, is defined in terms of what and how things, however, connect to it. It's pretty damn hard to try to figure out what nothing is, but, then, go from there to other things. Should I write that dimension-0 isn't a dimension? Does no dimension, as mixed with the stuff of dimensions, make dimension-0? I found out that it's a lot easier to figure the nuts-and-bolts details out on the end, after getting numerals that work out.

https://vegascasinotalk.com/forum/sh...l=1#post170795

Turns out that the absolute gets the true notion of all as everything. Instead of all as all-the-way. Putting every thing together, to include whatever is all-the-way, at the end of the "number line", creates an empty, or circular, definition of all, and, so, either everything, or, whatever all-the-way, must be a fuzzy entity. The fuzzy point or dimension-0 by Relativity, and by the Quantum, Theories, make more, nay, total, sense than a fuzzy all as everything. A matter of a thus dimensional equation to fiddle things together with the types of math, and, ultimately, the numerals.

It's like trying to figure out that there exists a perfect form of black, or, that it turns into something else upon becoming perfectly black. I think that it's the latter.

[DGenBen]

The universe is what it is, and, so, it can't be otherwise. Which makes it neither right, nor wrong. So perhaps the only true peace of mind, and body, lies in also really, in theory, and, actually, in practice, understanding it.

Very nihilistic take. The universe can be what it is & people are allowed to complain about over litigation which is something society does have control over by instilling values in people.

The nature of reality, or philosophy (as an absolute), is that reality has no, and, but, every, nature. It doesn't take sides. Which, itself off to the side in a true dimensional equation (aside from a "Pi theory", or other, approach to string together the possible physical units of an equation/result) then instills thus meaning into the proper bits of the dimensional equation.

Specifically, even though we live in the harsh version, opposed to the overly pleasant version, of the (one) universe, the two versions rightly even out, are optimized. Its nature. Furthermore, right/wrong doesn't exactly always directly translate to good/bad.

I like to think that the notion or concept of the word, nothing, is defined in terms of what and how things, however, connect to it. It's pretty damn hard to try to figure out what nothing is, but, then, go from there to other things. Should I write that dimension-0 isn't a dimension? Does no dimension, as mixed with the stuff of dimensions, make dimension-0? I found out that it's a lot easier to figure the nuts-and-bolts details out on the end, after getting numerals that work out.

https://vegascasinotalk.com/forum/sh...l=1#post170795

Turns out that the absolute gets the true notion of all as everything. Instead of all as all-the-way. Putting every thing together, to include whatever is all-the-way, at the end of the "number line", creates an empty, or circular, definition of all, and, so, either everything, or, whatever all-the-way, must be a fuzzy entity. The fuzzy point or dimension-0 by Relativity, and by the Quantum, Theories, make more, nay, total, sense than a fuzzy all as everything. A matter of a thus dimensional equation to fiddle things together with the types of math, and, ultimately, the numerals.

It's like trying to figure out that there exists a perfect form of black, or, that it turns into something else upon becoming perfectly black. I think that it's the latter.

But what does this have to do with getting stung in the nuts by a scorpion & whether we are an overly litigious society or not?

If a scorpion stings you in the nuts but no one is around to hear you scream, did you really get stung in the nuts?

[Garnabby]

But what does this have to do with getting stung in the nuts by a scorpion & whether we are an overly litigious society or not?

---> Einstein on the Run: How Britain Saved the World's Greatest Scientist.

https://anagram-solver.net/But%20wha...t?partial=true


I mentioned something like that, only a few days ago. Germany as the scorpion. Ha.

In December 1932 Einstein decided to leave Germany forever (he would never go back). It became obvious to Einstein that his life was in danger. A Nazi organization published a magazine with Einstein's picture and the caption “Not Yet Hanged” on the cover.

https://vegascasinotalk.com/forum/sh...l=1#post174291

You started the scorpion thread, the day after.

[Garnabby]

It's like trying to figure out that there exists a perfect form of black, or, that it turns into something else upon becoming perfectly black. I think that it's the latter.

But what's really neat is where "black goes to perfectly black", as a limit of a sequence of terms, in the dimensional equation above, converging at a point of divergence, without changing itself whatever "black" then becomes. And, even neater, the "point" conceptually between the thus sequence, and, its limit - the TOE, itself. Ha.

[DGenBen]

It's like trying to figure out that there exists a perfect form of black, or, that it turns into something else upon becoming perfectly black. I think that it's the latter.

But what's really neat is where "black goes to perfectly black", as a limit of a sequence of terms, in the dimensional equation above, converging at a point of divergence, without changing itself whatever "black" then becomes. And, even neater, the "point" conceptually between the thus sequence, and, its limit - the TOE, itself. Ha.

A common view is that space is real, but time is an illusion or an emergent property.

Now some people think everyone’s had it backwards, that time is the only thing real & space is an illusion.

As Dean Martin used to say “Ain’t that a kick in the head?”

Although if the song came out in modern times the line might be “Ain’t that a knock in the balls?” Hence the relation to the thread.

[MisterV]

And this right here is a major part of what is wrong in the world today.

Oh, really?

What, you are against letting people sue for injuries which they themselves are not responsible for?

What about medical malpractice?

For example, if a doctor is confused and amputates the wrong arm: does he only have to say "Oops, sorry?"

Same question as to a poorly designed bridge which fails soon after construction, killing hundreds: "Oops?"

[MaxPen]

And this right here is a major part of what is wrong in the world today.

Oh, really?

What, you are against letting people sue for injuries which they themselves are not responsible for?

What about medical malpractice?

For example, if a doctor is confused and amputates the wrong arm: does he only have to say "Oops, sorry?"

Same question as to a poorly designed bridge which fails soon after construction, killing hundreds: "Oops?"

Why would Venetian be responsible for this? Short of a known infestation.

Just because some scorpion hitches a ride in on you or your belongings after a day hiking or whatever then stings your balls shouldn't be grounds for anything. More likely though is this is a setup. The Venetian insurance will settle for an amount less than the cost and risk of litigation and people can pay a few bucks more for a room than they would otherwise have to if this nonsense was not allowed to exist.

Your comparisons are irrelevant. Yes, nonsense lawsuits should not be allowed.