Quick Note for Todd

[Rob.Singer]

Here is the thing about Redietz. I just don't see where he is hurting anyone. And for me, that differs from Singer, Mdawg and T3 (back on the blackjack forum) that I have called out. With these people I honestly saw at least the potential for some people reading their goofy claims/stories and trying to emulate them. Playing a progression wagering system. Or trying to spread 1-50 at a double deck blackjack game or any number of other nonsensical claims that if someone tried, they could be harmed.

I just don't see anyone reading redietz claims and thinking I am going to try to get into sports betting contest for a living. I think that puts redietz (at least for me) much closer to claims by someone like evenbob/spike. If you don't believe him and that is fine, but no need to say too much as their is no real harm being done.

Now there is a second aspect to the claims by people like Singer, Mdawg, and even the late guy that posted as Moses/tater. As an AP, in my case a card counter, that works hard at what I do, and works hard to be able to do it, I am personally offended when someone comes along claiming things that just aren't the way it works. Claiming that they win everyday and casino personel just don't care for example.

So if there is some of that going on with some of you....like you are personally offended at Redietz claims when you work hard at being a successful sports bettor, I could more understand the animosity towards him. BUT, I don't see that either. Is there even anyone here claiming to be a professional sports bettor? Or even that sports betting makes up a significant part of their AP income? No. Not that I have read.

But what I have read some of you say (accountinQuestion, among others), is that you just don't like him, and he is arrogant and talks down to people. and that puts it in the just trolling, bullying someone you don't like category for me. Which of course is what this forum is now.

You idiot. You're as stupid as Joe Biden when he keeps repeating the lie that "Inflation was at 9% when I came into office". It was 1.4%, but 9% better fits his sick agenda.

Whether or not mdawg's claims "harm" anyone is irrelevant to me. I couldn't care less if others are or aren't. That's one if the reasons why gambling is restricted to adults: they're grown up enuf to be able to think for themselves. They don't need a serial liar like yourself telling them what's right and what's not.

And just as much as you keep repeating the lie that my book describes my Play Strategy in detail--when it in fact includes zero information on the strategy--because you're frustrated you keep lying about how and why I publicized it over the years. I've clearly told everyone interested that, because I'm a bit more intelligent than the majority of vp players and given the true complexity of how I play my strategy, expecting similar profitable results is the exception rather than the rule.

This is also why I've spent hundreds of hours training players at machines (including well-known LV AP Rick Radner). Everyone departs knowing they require deep-seated determination and iron clad discipline in order to succeed. And just as you would fail trying due to your overall weakness and lack of proper discipline, most or all everyone else has too.

Wise up, and stop lying if you can.

[DGenBen]

Here is the thing about Redietz. I just don't see where he is hurting anyone. And for me, that differs from Singer, Mdawg and T3 (back on the blackjack forum) that I have called out. With these people I honestly saw at least the potential for some people reading their goofy claims/stories and trying to emulate them. Playing a progression wagering system. Or trying to spread 1-50 at a double deck blackjack game or any number of other nonsensical claims that if someone tried, they could be harmed.

I just don't see anyone reading redietz claims and thinking I am going to try to get into sports betting contest for a living. I think that puts redietz (at least for me) much closer to claims by someone like evenbob/spike. If you don't believe him and that is fine, but no need to say too much as their is no real harm being done.

Now there is a second aspect to the claims by people like Singer, Mdawg, and even the late guy that posted as Moses/tater. As an AP, in my case a card counter, that works hard at what I do, and works hard to be able to do it, I am personally offended when someone comes along claiming things that just aren't the way it works. Claiming that they win everyday and casino personel just don't care for example.

So if there is some of that going on with some of you....like you are personally offended at Redietz claims when you work hard at being a successful sports bettor, I could more understand the animosity towards him. BUT, I don't see that either. Is there even anyone here claiming to be a professional sports bettor? Or even that sports betting makes up a significant part of their AP income? No. Not that I have read.

But what I have read some of you say (accountinQuestion, among others), is that you just don't like him, and he is arrogant and talks down to people. and that puts it in the just trolling, bullying someone you don't like category for me. Which of course is what this forum is now.

People tell UFO abduction stories on the internet too.

So if someone reads about alien anal probes & then sticks a cork in their ass leading to medical problems, who is in the wrong here?

The person who wrote the story, the person who believes everything they read on the internet, or the cork maker?

[kewlJ]

Regardless, maybe you don't see it because you don't really identify as an AP?

I don't? I am a card counter/AP. THAT is what I consider myself. These days many AP don't even consider a card counter part of that club. So I make that distinction.

With Redietz it is clearly some form of jealousy there.

Very possible. Jealously is a part of the issue with many people on this forum, including former members like blackhole. He tells us how wealthy he was. he started several different franchise businesses, but spends every waking moment attack AP's. ALL AP's. something going on.

What about the big Dawg. he claims he was born into a wealthy family, is a partner in a big law firm AND wins millions a year gambling in Las Vegas (at least the last 5 years). And then he spends all his time, day and night attacking, not just me, but 20 different AP's that dare question his claims. Punching way down to most of us as far as what we claim and what he claims. certainly some kind of jealousy of players that actually win from that dude.

Singer? Not even going to get into it. So yeah there is a lot of jealousy and bitterness towards APs. I can buy that Redeitz may be part of that.

It is unfortunate for you that you are not intelligent enough to see what he does. He ignores real questions when you start to delve down into the differences. He is actually avoidant of deep discussions. Yet listen to him and you hear how everyone else is clueless and effectively shouldn't even post.. He wants people to jump through hoops to talk to him, or give him their real info. (Why is that? Exceedingly creepy/disturbing and the main reason I'd never meet the guy.)

Why would i ever go to LV to listen to EV from him? Because of cuskers and dusters? Yet he can't discuss EV with a normal tone. I could and would but he just can't have those discussions.

Don't give me this shit. Red has attacked me and lumped me in with his attacks on AP's as much as anyone. How many times have you read "AP's like KewlJ think this or that".

And when he made those stupid statemnets about EV, I called that out immediately. So just stop with your shit.

And where did he or anyone else say you HAVE to come to LV or anywhere else to meet him? If you don't want to meet him....don't meet him!! I haven't and have no intention of it, despite that I have been in the same casino at a time he was holding "court" or whatever he is doing. .

[kewlJ]

The free contest redietz plays are time consuming and don't pay any money. They are not where the real money is in sports betting.

Do you remember redietz saying that for a couple of years he was walking around downtown las vegas with 100K on his person? Notice he avoided saying the money belonged to him.

And do you remember that we all seen the advertising years ago for investors on his site, Integrity Sports?

Now ask yourself why would a world beating sports bettor need investors?

redietz claimed to have 11 offshore accounts for years. If he's a winner how did he keep those accounts for that amount of time while all other winners were getting suspended?

But you are pretty much right. He's harmless. But annoying.

The free contests never seemed like something a person could make a living from to me. But what do I know. It is an angle I had never even heard of nor considered is all I am saying.

I don't kinow Red's complete history. You think he has been a lifetime "runner" walking around Vegas betting other people's money? Maybe! All I have said is I think he has made whatever living he has made involved with sports betting. That would fit.

And I agree completely that he is harmless. So why the need to keep twisting the knife. If you don't beleive him and I gather you don't , let it go. You have made your points. remember he IS harmless!

[kewlJ]

Singer, I don't give a flying fuck what is in your book. I really don't. The fact that you published a book, makes you absolutely no different than the youtube scammers to me.

But for fun, let's take a look at the time line. You claimed in the late 90's you tried to be a VP advantage player for a couple years and failed! I think you said you lost a couple hundred grand. So then in 2000, this book comes out with all the secrets to winning VP play? From a guy who just lost several hundred grand.

THAT is all I need to know before we even get into the progression wagering and special plays and all that. Guy loses a quarter million and immediately writes a book on how to win.

And it only got worse from there. And now you reside in your daughters guest room. GREAT story!!

[redietz]

KewlJ, this is the last post I'll make here until announcing my day-to-day LV schedule. I have avoided mentioning this because I'm really not into, "So-and-so-said," as a substitute for simple, cogent argument, but for you I'll make an exception since you seem to be a knowledgeable AP and respectful of established APs who know more than you and have more experience than you.

You really should stifle the "stupid statements about EV" comments when it comes to sports betting. The whole EV schtick is fine for sports betting in PAST tense. As in, "the EV for doing A, B, and C WAS this." It's also fine when evaluating arbitrage or bonus exploitation. But you really should not lean on "EV" estimates for sports betting in the present or the future. Sports betting is not coin flipping.

My point to you, since you are an "AP," is that your friend and mine, Richard Munchkin, agrees with this and agrees it kind of goes without saying. Which is actually really obvious.

[kewlJ]

KewlJ, this is the last post I'll make here until announcing my day-to-day LV schedule. I have avoided mentioning this because I'm really not into, "So-and-so-said," as a substitute for simple, cogent argument, but for you I'll make an exception since you seem to be a knowledgeable AP and respectful of established APs who know more than you and have more experience than you.

You really should stifle the "stupid statements about EV" comments when it comes to sports betting. The whole EV schtick is fine for sports betting in PAST tense. As in, "the EV for doing A, B, and C WAS this." It's also fine when evaluating arbitrage or bonus exploitation. But you really should not lean on "EV" estimates for sports betting in the present or the future. Sports betting is not coin flipping.

My point to you, since you are an "AP," is that your friend and mine, Richard Munchkin, agrees with this and agrees it kind of goes without saying. Which is actually really obvious.

Munchkin is your friend? Good for you. But I must correct you, I don't consider myself friends with Munchkin. He is a guy I respect as far as his AP career, including his days as a card counter.

Back in the days I was still on Norm's forum, which has been a decade now, I used to communicate with Munchkin privately. That is when he invited me on GWAE and I declined and told him why. I haven't communicated with him much since. Of course neither of us is on Norms forum anymore. Munchkin paling around with James for years now.

I think I did contact him 5 years ago, when I came here and the whole counting a second table thing was blown out of proportion, mostly by people that don't even play blackjack. I contacted him and he told me he had at times done so as well, which was just what I expected.

But if you are friends with him, tell him I said hello, and hope he is doing well.

[coach belly]

Rain Man kind of stupidity.

LOL...We hear ya, you big flake...

This concludes my posting.

Over and out. Anybody need to get in touch -- you know the email.

this is the last post I'll make here until announcing my day-to-day LV schedule.

[MDawg]

I am personally offended when someone comes along claiming things that just aren't

true, such as absurd bone breaking fables about non existent lawsuits where the story teller sends people on wild goose chases looking for nonexistent "evidence."

You know, fantasies that include casino executive buddies showing up at my nonexistent apartment I keep boasting about but am unable to post even a picture of its pool, to hand me player records for some player I really have no idea who he even is.

It really gets my gall up too when someone one minute claims he is gay, next he is not, and even disavows the existence of his soul mate. Can't keep track of what he said from one day to the next either.

That sort of really deep down despicable no moral compass sort of prevarication - that offends me personally, to no end!

[MDawg]

Kewl's lies just branch out like a tree. Start with one lie then sprout into a whole bouquet of lies. Kewl's lies are more personal because they're weirdly misleading in a way that is dangerous because they're actually believable.

Kewl can't back down on a lie until he has been cornered and recornered. Just piles on more lies hoping it somehow helps his credibility. His reasoning for not proving his lies with the minimum of documentation is nuts given how hard he tries to convince. His responses are nuts.

How many times is he going to give some version on "I don't care what others think"? He clearly tries everything he can to prove stuff to people but then vehemently denies doing so and refuses to *EVER* provide even a picture of a surfboard or anything else. It is just endless with the guy. He is really just not someone who should ever be taken seriously on ANY level.

Kewl won't fess up to his numerous lies. The only thing we can do to get a few more miles out of this is to get him to try and defend an existing lie with some more nonsense.

[kewlJ]

I am personally offended when someone comes along claiming things that just aren't

true, such as absurd bone breaking fables about non existent lawsuits where the story teller sends people on wild goose chases looking for nonexistent "evidence."

You know, fantasies that include casino executive buddies showing up at my nonexistent apartment I keep boasting about but am unable to post even a picture of its pool, to hand me player records for some player I really have no idea who he even is.

It really gets my gall up too when someone one minute claims he is gay, next he is not, and even disavows the existence of his soul mate. Can't keep track of what he said from one day to the next either.

Not a single thing....NOT 1, of the things you just mentioned has anything to do with my gambling history or claims.

My claims and story (if you will) has been of a card counter playing mid limits in Vegas for a living and what it takes to do so and be able to continue to do so. Everything i have shared about how I do things is EXACTLY the way things work and how you would go about minimizing counter-measure and maximizing longevity....which I have. I have explained in detail the stakes played, short sessions, small spreads, spreading both ways, big rotation.

Now compare that to you who claims you play with a 1-50 spread, $100-$5000 playing double deck ON THE STRIP for 10 straight hours and no one cares that you (claim) to win everyday.

Compare that to you who claims you play the same locations day after day, winning almost every day and no one cares that you win every day.

THESE are the things that I share that are exactly how things work and the things that you share that are exactly how things don't work. If someone were to come along, read and try to emulate what I do, it would be a pretty good blue print for how to succeed....how to play Vegas and remain welcome to play for a long time. Although I don't recommend anyone attempt to do so. Anyone trying to emulate you would find themselves banned and barred and unable to play, because what you claim just is NOT how things work here.

You are telling or writing a freaking story for what reason I have no idea. And it only makes sense that this great tale started on a forum for people writing stories.

The things you concern yourself with, who I am friends with and what they may have shown me about you are NOT really part of my story or claim. Bottom line is you are goofy. You just are. You are as goofy as the guy who has some up with some sport of alternative reality where I don't have a brother. This shit is just weird. It is as weird as believing in the Easter Bunny. But apparently that is what you people need to do along with the prostitution comments and living in tunnels.

Keep telling me who is detached from reality? Some day, I hope we will find out what this Huckleberry Finn, Great adventure story was really about. But I suspect not.

[MDawg]

The thirty-three most major UNKewl lies I can think of concern (1) his lie about Moses showing up at a condo he claimed he lived at, (2) a condo it turned out that he has no ownership in and does not even live in, where he can’t even get his story straight about what is and what is not allowed by the condo CCRs, and lies about “renting it out” AirBnB style, (3) his faking his own death, (4) lying about ever having been robbed, (5) the nonsense about MGM execs showing up at his apartment on Halloween to give him player records on someone who isn't even MDawg, (6) the backrooming lawsuit, (7) the lies about news stories being broadcast about the backrooming incident, lies about the fictional settlement related to the fabricated incident, (8) the lie about being doxxed, or ever having his name placed in any casino database, (9) the rigged shuffler, (10) $50. free play for $100K win on a slot progressive, (11) $50K multi hand VP hit, (12) lied about hitting a $4000. Royal at Hooters (now OP) with $15. free play. (13) winning a car, (14) the lie about never asking anyone else to prove anything, (15) the lie about knowing attorney Nersesian well or at all, and having him on "speed dial," (16) lies that made it clear that he has never filed taxes as a professional gambler, (17) fabricated sports bets, (18) lies about that he has calculated his exact "expected win" over a decade and a half period, (19) lies about ever playing blackjack other than red green chip action as cover for a sugar daddy hustle, (20) lying about how “many” APs know him, (21) lies about how “many” APs have offered to “hire him” for their blackjack teams, (22) lying and claiming that he has never told others how they should post and about what, (23) lying about never posting again about this or that or on this or that forum, (24) lying about why he was nuked from WOV, trying to imply that he left on his own accord, (25) lying about that he “always discloses his socks up front” (q.v. Magister), (26) lying about having gone to college after claiming for years that he never did, (27) lies about the "oily" surfboard, (28) lied about whether or not he was gay, (29) the lie about even having a dead "soul mate" which he recanted, (30) continuing to lie about what the “about even” statement of MDawg means even after realizing that it means absolutely nothing, (31) a concocted electronic blackjack game he hadn't "studied up" on enough before presenting to the crowd, (32) Lied about and misquoted the Wizard, (33) caught up in conflicting lies about a blackjack play where he couldn’t even keep track of whether or not the game was electronic.

That rigged shuffler story, besides not making any sense, reaffirmed in my mind that this guy really doesn't play much table games, because I'd expect such nonsense from a recreational player, not a card counter.

I would put FraudJ's claim of a $100k lick on $50 free play as less likely than any of Grandpa Newell's stories.

I do know. You're lying and you buried yourself yet again. Get help....RIP

He would be an idiot if he gave the chance of your 50 to 100k story to be anything but zero.

He also can't give us details about what machine hit the $100K for $50 freeplay because...no amount of "studying up" can get him out from under these lies.

And as usual, as he gets hemmed in, he is changing the story on some of these. Even renounced the existence of his "soul mate" claims he lied about him and his gay marriage too!

[accountinquestion]

And where did he or anyone else say you HAVE to come to LV or anywhere else to meet him? If you don't want to meet him....don't meet him!! I haven't and have no intention of it, despite that I have been in the same casino at a time he was holding "court" or whatever he is doing. .

It is the only real option he gives to discuss EV. Which is rather quite strange given how wrong he is. This idea that anyone would go out of their way to discuss EV is crazy in itself.

I should have said - If you want to discuss EV you HAVE to go to LV to see redietz. .. but not forums . on a radio show.

Which funnily is not a public forum. He won't go on radio shows either. He won't discuss any of it publicly yet he insists on being insulting any time he discusses these things with people.

I sometimes think I should go easy on Redietz but then he reinvigorates my drive. I dont really mind the arrogance but it is what he brings with it. If he addressed the subjects in good faith, then sure.

[kewlJ]

The thirty-three most major UNKewl lies I can think of

Yeah, how are things at that mid 7 figure Dawg Mansion?

And see even THAT, I haven't dwelled on too much, because it is just an insecure dude blowing himself up to be something he is not. It is not directly related to your claims that defy the way things work. THAT is what I haven't liked. The 1-50 spreads and winning every day while no one cares. These bullshit statements are absolutely 100% contradictory to reality. To be an AP and real winning player, long term in Vegas, you have to work at it!! It doesn't work the way you portray it for your "adventure story".

And how you are even still around is beyond me. How does a guy write on not one, not two, not 3, but FOUR different forums, daily FOR 7 MONTHS, about winning day after day, totaling over a million (by Mission146 count) dollars won, and then in one sentence say "we went over my records and I am about even". How does that person even have the balls to show up again?

Compare that to me and what you have on me. I had to change some minor details of events to protect YOU from gaining my identity.

Everything else is just silliness on a troll forum.

[accountinquestion]

KewlJ, this is the last post I'll make here until announcing my day-to-day LV schedule. I have avoided mentioning this because I'm really not into, "So-and-so-said," as a substitute for simple, cogent argument, but for you I'll make an exception since you seem to be a knowledgeable AP and respectful of established APs who know more than you and have more experience than you.

You really should stifle the "stupid statements about EV" comments when it comes to sports betting. The whole EV schtick is fine for sports betting in PAST tense. As in, "the EV for doing A, B, and C WAS this." It's also fine when evaluating arbitrage or bonus exploitation. But you really should not lean on "EV" estimates for sports betting in the present or the future. Sports betting is not coin flipping.

My point to you, since you are an "AP," is that your friend and mine, Richard Munchkin, agrees with this and agrees it kind of goes without saying. Which is actually really obvious.

Redietz doesn't comprehend the word expected. If you could only used expected when knowing something had happened it would never be expected value. Redietz thinks he is smart but he is butchering what EV means way beyond what he accuses successful bettors of doing.

Furthermore, I would love to see how that even works in his head. Just because you know the result of an event would in no way let you figure out what was the expectation was prior.

[kewlJ]

It is the only real option he gives to discuss EV. Which is rather quite strange given how wrong he is. This idea that anyone would go out of their way to discuss EV is crazy in itself.

I should have said - If you want to discuss EV you HAVE to go to LV to see redietz. .. but not forums . on a radio show.

Which funnily is not a public forum. He won't go on radio shows either. He won't discuss any of it publicly yet he insists on being insulting any time he discusses these things with people.

I sometimes think I should go easy on Redietz but then he reinvigorates my drive. I dont really mind the arrogance but it is what he brings with it. If he addressed the subjects in good faith, then sure.

First, I was going to comment on "funnily". I was going to give you credit for a new word...one that I sort of like. But it turns out it is a word and I just have never heard or seen it used. I still like it and will still give you credit for teaching me something and adding a word to my vocabulary.

OF COURSE RED is WRONG about EV. What else is there to say? What do you want to discuss with him or hear him say on a show? You think he is going to admit that he is wrong? No He is NOT.

EvenBob/Spike claims om at least 2 forums that he plays black/Red on roulette and can hit at 80%. Of course it is wrong. Mdawg and Rob. Well lets not repeat. The things they claim are WRONG. If we (including me) engage with these people on these topic, it is for alternative entertainment from watching the TV.

Here is another one for you. 18 y.o. in a row. or a later version of 60 straight winning blackjack hands.

I will say it one more time Of course Red is wrong about EV. Let it go.

[accountinquestion]

It is the only real option he gives to discuss EV. Which is rather quite strange given how wrong he is. This idea that anyone would go out of their way to discuss EV is crazy in itself.

I should have said - If you want to discuss EV you HAVE to go to LV to see redietz. .. but not forums . on a radio show.

Which funnily is not a public forum. He won't go on radio shows either. He won't discuss any of it publicly yet he insists on being insulting any time he discusses these things with people.

I sometimes think I should go easy on Redietz but then he reinvigorates my drive. I dont really mind the arrogance but it is what he brings with it. If he addressed the subjects in good faith, then sure.

First, I was going to comment on "funnily". I was going to give you credit for a new word...one that I sort of like. But it turns out it is a word and I just have never heard or seen it used. I still like it and will still give you credit for teaching me something and adding a word to my vocabulary.

OF COURSE RED is WRONG about EV. What else is there to say? What do you want to discuss with him or hear him say on a show? You think he is going to admit that he is wrong? No He is NOT.

EvenBob/Spike claims om at least 2 forums that he plays black/Red on roulette and can hit at 80%. Of course it is wrong. Mdawg and Rob. Well lets not repeat. The things they claim are WRONG. If we (including me) engage with these people on these topic, it is for alternative entertainment from watching the TV.

Here is another one for you. 18 y.o. in a row. or a later version of 60 straight winning blackjack hands.

I will say it one more time Of course Red is wrong about EV. Let it go.

You telling me to let it go? I'm only responding because he brings it up in the first post in this thread. JFC how broken is your brain.

You are THE person who should "let things go".

It isn't about whether he is right or wrong - it is how he is wrong and insults everyone (people far from VCT) while never even trying to actually engage the subject.

"of course he is wrong". You could say this shit about Mdawg/Singer and yet you'll post 10 times a day repeating yourself.

I wonder if you could possibly realize all this .... but funnily enough probably not.

Projection is a crazy thing to me. So common.

[mickeycrimm]

Actually, I'm sure that Todd has a decent feel for why certain offshores allow certain clients and don't allow others. But you'd have to quiz him on his experiences with some of the offshores.

I don't think I have to quiz Dan. I can just analyze his results. So let's hop over to the sports betting section and take a look at some stats:

2023/24 NHL: He was 16-14 in March but ended the season with a 7 game losing streak.

NFL Regular Season 2023/24 he went 25-25 +0.1 units.


2023/24 NBA: Results posted thru Jan 14 he was 25-21 +1.79 units

2023 College Football: 21-31 -10.6 units

For the 2022-23 NBA: Thru 118 games he was stuck 16 units. His results probably got worse from there as he said he would quit NBA betting.

2022 MLB he won 3.35 units thru 123 games

2022-23 NHL-When he last posted his results he was +0.66 units thru 34 games.

2022-23 College basketball: -8 units thru 126 games.

2022/23 NFL: Opened up with an 18-2-1 run then wound up 54-32-2 +26 units for the season.

2021-22 NBA: Didn't post results other than saying in late Dec "terrible season for me so far."

2020-21 NBA he won 3.69 units
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Other than that great NFL season I would say although he is holding his own, he's not doing any damage to them.

If he were consistently beating them out of 20 units per hundred picks they would make a move.

[MDawg]

I wonder if you could possibly realize all this .... but funnily enough probably not.

Part of his mental illness is that he spend days writing about how so and so has been doing this or that while he has not when all the while, that's exactly what he has done in the past.

[MDawg]

What's obvious is that besides being a compulsive liar, that UNKewlJ is mentally ill. Only mental illness could explain the erratic back and forth quitting forums, lying, admitting lies, disavowing lies, and the torrential flow of illogic and manic repeating himself the same way with most every post.

Psychiatry, clinical psychology. Impulse-control disorder (ICD) is a class of psychiatric disorders characterized by impulsivity – failure to resist a temptation, an urge, or an impulse; or having the inability to not speak on a thought. That's the UNKewl one to a T!
He knows it is in his best interests to abandon these forums and mind his own low level red to green chip business and yet...he can't help himself!