Originally Posted by
mickeycrimm
Originally Posted by
redietz
Who cares? I know as much about video poker as mickey crimm does about sports betting. In other words, half a step above civilian and a step above retard.
It was a 40-60 hour a year thing to do to get offers. I think for most of the incarnations of the games, the majority played was 15-9-4-4. Although there were stints of the 16-10 mixed in there as they went back-and-forth before eventually downgrading payouts.
I did run through 11K one day on slots to see if that helped my rating. Lost about $100, which was amazing. My plan was to lose $300 or $400, but I never hit that number. It did not help my rating.
In video poker, I played primarily deuces wild, mostly on quarter machines but some dollars. The deuces wild games varied over the years as the Gold Coast and Orleans played yo-yo with how good the offered games were. I'd estimate that a third of my time was spent on the deuces wild games back by the Orleans buffet.
So with that 15/9/4/4 payscale you were mostly playing the Ugly Ducks version of Deuces Wild. That's a 98.91% game. That is, with optimal strategy. I think it's an easy guess you never studied strategy. So you were probably giving up 2% or more to sub optimal play.
You wouldn't have fared much better on the 16/10 (Not So Ugly Ducks) which is 99.73% with optimal. And that's because of your mistakes.
You probably got little free play out of the deal so I think it fair to say that overall you were giving them at least 2%.
You were probably a slow player so I will say 500 hands per hour on quarters. That's a $625 wager per hour. So if you were really doing this you were theoretically paying them about $12 an hour for those comps.
Finishing 5K winner on such a game would be several standard deviations above the norm.
Another thing is lots of vpFREE'ers played Gold Coast and Orleans for dollars They were running 3K to 5K an hour in action to get about the same amount of comp as you. Of course, they were faster than you and they didn't have the big leak of not knowing strategy in their games.
I think it's safe to say the "5K win" is a fabrication. No way you would have finished 5 royals ahead. On the game you were playing it's almost a 4% drop between royals. The game would have been sucking down money faster than you could hit the royals. At your level of play the average theoretical cost to produce a 1K royal would probably be about 2.2K.
The 5K profit is a combined figure of the Boyd properties and the Palms. It includes free play turned into cash but does not assign any value to comps. The number of free rooms garnered per year at Boyd varied from 12 to 24, available on multiple properties. Few weekend dates. The 5K figure is ballpark within a hundred dollars.
Sorry if you think I don't play optimally. I simply park my ass at the machine and follow the third panel of the LVA strategy cards, which I keep right there on the machine as I play. I don't worry about the fourth panel precision. And I do play just 500 hands per hour, as I try to enjoy myself.
At 60 hours of play per year, I'm dropping maybe $300 per year not counting cash back. I was getting between 12 and 24 nights comped while also receiving offers for the occasional video poker tournament or strange promo. Plus I did the majority of play on senior days, so was picking up a free meal on most of the days played. Playing three hours a day for 14 days would yield about 14 free meals, a value of roughly an additional $150.
LOL. Yeah, I'm a real sucker. Do you really think I don't know this stuff? I've been reading the LVA since its inception. I started going to LV when the LVA started printing, more or less. I read Dancer's book three times and have had strategy cards since they were first printed. And, as I said, I'm half a step above civilian and a step above retard, because all of this stuff is basic and simple. Why would I need to know strategy when I can sit there and read off an LVA card and never make more than one or two inconsequential errors per session?
Yep, that reading strategy cards. What a concept!
And sorry, man. My Boyd plus Palms figure is roughly +5K. Not counting comps but counting cash back. I apologize for playing close to optimally, but it ain't hard to read.
Again, why would you assume I can't read a strategy card? That would be like...assuming some guy blathering about sports betting had never read a published monitor report. You'd have to be a real brain-dead moron to think you knew about ATS records without having read published reports.
Mickey brought back some fond memories. I remember the FPDW progressive bank at the Palms, right around the corner from the sports book at the entrance. I recall the 9/6 progressive at the Westward Ho next to the Stardust. Get my seat at the Stardust sports book on a Saturday early AM, get a coffee, play a half hour at the Ho if I could get a seat. Then there was the FPDW at the old Frontier, with a progressive as I recall. And Stations also had FPDW, eventually having it available on nickels only before vetoing it. Stations had some good video poker tournaments, like Boyd did. I placed in a couple. Sometimes I was even me when I did so. Sometimes not.
But, as I said, I'm strictly a 50-hour-a-year amateur. I know nothing. Now sports betting, that I know something about.
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