Todd update WSOP

[accountinquestion]

No need to be jealous or bitter.

My best uninformed guess is that, as Daniel Negreanu famously said, "The people who make a living playing actual tournaments are about as common as birds with teeth." That may be true enough. However, some folks have done analyses of expert poker skill players versus average civilians in something as soft as the WSOP Main Event, and their estimates have mostly ranged from a +200 to a +400 advantage for an expert versus a civilian. In other words, the experts in a real soft no limit hold 'em tournament are likely to, over time, double their buy-in at least. The problem, of course, is that as the buy-in goes up, the skill level of average players in the specific tourney goes up, so at some point you shouldn't be playing them. Classic diminishing returns.

I guess the lesson would then be that they should play just the popular no limit hold 'em tournaments and nothing else if they actually want to be ahead lifetime. No big stakes tournaments, no pot limit, no omaha, no mixed games.

The house is making a fortune on the whole WSOP schtick. No doubt about it. But I still wouldn't turn up my nose at +200. That's likely the softest 10K tournament in the world, so it's not indicative of others. A lot of numbers guys, like Dancer and "Anthony Curtis" have dabbled in no limit hold 'em and spun their wheels, so the whole endeavor is daunting.

I'm blabbing about all this, but I'm strictly a civilian. I've never played in a tournament that cost me more than $100, although I've won my way into $200 to $500 entry type tournaments through feeders. Small tournaments provide all manner of opportunities for team play and signaling. I know nothing, but sitting at some little LV tournaments, I've told friends in the tournaments, "If I say this, I have this. If I do this, I have this." I have to presume everybody does this stuff. You have dealers playing at many of these little LV tournaments (off their home casino), and I have to believe they are all doing some team play much of the time.

You would be wrong.

Ironically I have taken up cheating. I am trying to sneak chips on the table over the buyin cap. I think one dealer was suspicous. I kept greens in my pocket and would reload. Then after some $$ moved around and a new dealer I put a few more greens.The cap is $300 but everyone else is a scrub and doesn't ask for greens when it speeds up the game a lot. So the greens stick out but they fit in your pocket and are easy to add. The reds would blend in but you have to add half a stack at a time. Maybe get a table change and do it in route? I did it the last time so I'm working on my approach. I play it off dumb and they'll give me a warning. Not that they would care that much but i don't want to ever be caught if I wish to keep doing it.

[Rob.Singer]

How did it rile me up? Because I commended on your very obvious bitterness and resentment if anyone that really wins?

Almost every day you prove what a sad end if life existance you have...bitter and full of regret.

regrets. Rob has a few. But he did it his way. (retirement mooching off his kids).

Rob keeps responding then when you respond he jumps up and down because he got a response and then claims he has won. Yes, he declares victory when he gets a response. It is nonsensical but demonstrates with clarity where he's headed for the rest of his life. Just go trolling everyone then when they respond - pump your chest. Pure idiocy.

You have a man who has tried multiple times to concoct some story revolving around being a success in life. He has multiple homes - none in his name. Has a safe full of money - everyone can clearly see it is prop $$. He said he had a Newell then when giving a chance to go into a dealership. He won some big lick at VP but forgot the basement reflection and had the weights of the money all confused. (stay out of the details if you bs) So many more I'm not going to even bother to list out.

If people don't believe you then it could readily be argued that Singer has a lot in common with. Infact, I think he is jealous to what degree people believed you (even if they're all trolls now) Since I've been aware of him, he's spent his time attacking real gamblers while making silly claims of his own success from gambling.

Translation: pure worry/envy.

AQ, all your guessing only proves how easy it is making you sweat. Maybe if you weren't such a been nowhere/going nowhere loner, you'd be a more capable guesser.

And do you REALLY believe I didn't see the reflection of my son and the stuff on the shelves in the room where the casino located that machine, prior to posting such a horrifying picture that's put a hurt on so many of the little people here? Either way, I got way more than a pound of flesh out of it.

What you and your "I gots nothing else to do, so I'll comment on just about every new post I can find" mentality keeps missing, is how often those with a higher intelligence than you can so easily play you--and at will.

A-Kew.

[MisterV]

And do you REALLY believe I didn't see the reflection of my son and the stuff on the shelves in the room where the casino located that machine

You never noticed it til it was pointed out to you in order to "bust" your claim of a $1.5M win on one VP pull.

[Rob.Singer]

And do you REALLY believe I didn't see the reflection of my son and the stuff on the shelves in the room where the casino located that machine

You never noticed it til it was pointed out to you in order to "bust" your claim of a $1.5M win on one VP pull.

V, I just shit a bonus round thanks to the DELICIOUS shrimp and veggie with konjac noodles Thai red curry soup my wife made and served yesterday & today, and I'm feeling super great right now. So even with you pouting about what I had been looking at for several days in amazement prior to posting, along with knowing the amount of irritation it would cause here--which of course, warmed my healthy heart--I'm not only extremely satisfied with your misguided comment.....it's motivated me into feeling like I've gotta drop another deuce.

Keep up the good work! And you GOTS TO train AQ on how to do that properly. Kew? Not so much. All I can think of when his name comes up is aids, him rubbing his dead "boyfriend's" (yuuuk!) hairy fat layers, and his weak heart trying to make it thru his multiple bouts of diarrhea from his multiple covid infections.

So again: please educate these guys as only you can.

[mickeycrimm]

AQ, none of you said anything about the safe money being fake.

It wasn't until Boz posted that fake money could be purchased over the internet that you all suddenly became overnight experts on recognizing fake money in photos. LOL

[mickeycrimm]

Todd busted out 603rd out of 10K players. Cashed for 30K. A 20K profit.

[accountinquestion]

The thing Rob doesn't get is that at least for me you have to have a tiny bit of respect for someone for them to have much luck getting under your skin. Rob is the opposite of that.

If a man walks out from a bridge and shakes his fist and calls you you names- it does absolutely nothing. Telling people his wife cooked leftovers hes eating today. I had a female friend invite me over for some pasta yesterday she'd cooked THAT day THEREFORE I'm a bigger winner than rob!!!! Lol so stupid

Rob can't win so he makes this ridiculous thing where he says you're a loser for engaging with him. Which is true but not in the way he envisions. Brokeass Monty Burns has never posted a picture of a real anything. Ever.

[accountinquestion]

AQ, none of you said anything about the safe money being fake.

It wasn't until Boz posted that fake money could be purchased over the internet that you all suddenly became overnight experts on recognizing fake money in photos. LOL

LOL @ Robs lap dog barking.

Bro, you don't need to be an expert. I'd bought it far before that on ebay but I wound up throwing it away. All my buddies I tried messing with were like ... lol who do you think I am ??? It isn't counterfeit money. It doesn't need expertise to spot. I can find it on ebay if they havent banned the sales of it.

[accountinquestion]

And do you REALLY believe I didn't see the reflection of my son and the stuff on the shelves in the room where the casino located that machine

You never noticed it til it was pointed out to you in order to "bust" your claim of a $1.5M win on one VP pull.

Cuz casinos put games in basements off the gaming floor when you're a high roller like Rob.

[The Boz]

Another good run for Druff.



Todd Witteles (chip updates only)
@DanDruffPoker
·
4h
Narrowly avoided busting by making tight fold where I’d have flopped top pair and a flush draw and lost to an overpair. Next hand...

AcQc shoved over late raiser, he snaps with AA. Shit!! But Q two club flop gives me hope. Brick turn, A river. Ugh. Out 603rd for 30k

[accountinquestion]

Wow Rob accomplished something. This says he has made Amazon's choice

https://www.amazon.com/WARM-FUZZY-To.../dp/B00067TAWG

[MDawg]

Dan the Man DanDruff and I are actually doing something. As are many others on this site.

UNKewLyingJ...not so much.

[kewlJ]

Dan the Man DanDruff and I are actually doing something. As are many others on this site.

UNKewLyingJ...not so much.

You are doing what exactly, sand rat? Oh your trip report of playing and winning 5 days in Tahoe casinos? Yeah, THAT is real. And appropriately gets zero response from the peanut gallery at WoV. Even with some pictures of casino interiors.

Now what I am I doing? AP-wise only sports betting at the moment, after a lucrative spring playing blackjack machines. Just don't feel like even fighting the heat to play blackjack on the weekends. I make 10 thousand dollars in picks each day and then watch baseball all day. And underdogs and team overs have been kicking ass for the past several weeks, so doing quite well. Of course it isn't really about the winning or losing, it is about getting through the rollover to take advantage of the bonuses. I have made almost 60k doing this since the start of football season last September. And sports betting is only 1 of 5 different advantage play revenue streams this year. So I am doing quite well and really happy with where I am at.

But PLEASE continue to regale us with your GAMBLING stories. Free entertainment.

[The Boz]

Getting this thread back on track…..for one post anyways before the trolling continues. For someone who states they are mostly a cash game player, and Hold’em isn’t their main game, Druff finds a way to last far longer than most year after year. While luck plays a role in poker, the skilled players still find ways to cash more than the amateurs who give it a shot.

“Todd Witteles (chip updates only)
@DanDruffPoker
·
19h
We’ve hit the money. 821k.

In last 14 Mains, I’ve made deep day 3 nine times (2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2017, 2019, 2021, 2023, 2024), and cashed 4 of those.

I have never cashed for less than double the min cash.

Best 2 finishes were 88th (2010) and 128th (2019).”

[jdog]

I have made almost 60k doing this since the start of football season last September.

And.... there's the next high 5-figure score. You're getting too predictable kewl, change it up a bit.

[redietz]

No need to be jealous or bitter.

My best uninformed guess is that, as Daniel Negreanu famously said, "The people who make a living playing actual tournaments are about as common as birds with teeth." That may be true enough. However, some folks have done analyses of expert poker skill players versus average civilians in something as soft as the WSOP Main Event, and their estimates have mostly ranged from a +200 to a +400 advantage for an expert versus a civilian. In other words, the experts in a real soft no limit hold 'em tournament are likely to, over time, double their buy-in at least. The problem, of course, is that as the buy-in goes up, the skill level of average players in the specific tourney goes up, so at some point you shouldn't be playing them. Classic diminishing returns.

I guess the lesson would then be that they should play just the popular no limit hold 'em tournaments and nothing else if they actually want to be ahead lifetime. No big stakes tournaments, no pot limit, no omaha, no mixed games.

The house is making a fortune on the whole WSOP schtick. No doubt about it. But I still wouldn't turn up my nose at +200. That's likely the softest 10K tournament in the world, so it's not indicative of others. A lot of numbers guys, like Dancer and "Anthony Curtis" have dabbled in no limit hold 'em and spun their wheels, so the whole endeavor is daunting.

I'm blabbing about all this, but I'm strictly a civilian. I've never played in a tournament that cost me more than $100, although I've won my way into $200 to $500 entry type tournaments through feeders. Small tournaments provide all manner of opportunities for team play and signaling. I know nothing, but sitting at some little LV tournaments, I've told friends in the tournaments, "If I say this, I have this. If I do this, I have this." I have to presume everybody does this stuff. You have dealers playing at many of these little LV tournaments (off their home casino), and I have to believe they are all doing some team play much of the time.

You would be wrong.

Ironically I have taken up cheating. I am trying to sneak chips on the table over the buyin cap. I think one dealer was suspicous. I kept greens in my pocket and would reload. Then after some $$ moved around and a new dealer I put a few more greens.The cap is $300 but everyone else is a scrub and doesn't ask for greens when it speeds up the game a lot. So the greens stick out but they fit in your pocket and are easy to add. The reds would blend in but you have to add half a stack at a time. Maybe get a table change and do it in route? I did it the last time so I'm working on my approach. I play it off dumb and they'll give me a warning. Not that they would care that much but i don't want to ever be caught if I wish to keep doing it.

Well, I may be wrong (cough, cough), but I did watch the series TILT in 2005, which (truth be told) was based on real people and real events. The Michael Madsen character, for example, was pretty assuredly "based on" Doyle Brunson, in case anyone is interested.

As far as poker cheating, I mean c'mon, you can riffle chips like Morse code if you practice a little. I don't even want to consider what I'd come up with to bolster a stable if stablemates were at the same table. With people having pieces of each other and side bets that dwarf the early payouts, you'd have to be a, pardon the Bugs Bunny




to think this stuff isn't ubiquitous. I've played in little local feeder tournaments to little WSOP events in Mississippi, and you had husband-and-wife collusion aplenty. I knew a couple who took cruises just to play poker with the rubes. So to think that actual poker players playing for big money, with serious side bets, don't exercise their God-given right to communicate under the radar, okay, you have much more faith in the common man than me. Maybe not as much experience. But much more faith.

[Keystone]

Getting this thread back on track…..for one post anyways before the trolling continues. For someone who states they are mostly a cash game player, and Hold’em isn’t their main game, Druff finds a way to last far longer than most year after year. While luck plays a role in poker, the skilled players still find ways to cash more than the amateurs who give it a shot.

“Todd Witteles (chip updates only)
@DanDruffPoker
·
19h
We’ve hit the money. 821k.

In last 14 Mains, I’ve made deep day 3 nine times (2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2017, 2019, 2021, 2023, 2024), and cashed 4 of those.

I have never cashed for less than double the min cash.

Best 2 finishes were 88th (2010) and 128th (2019).”

It`s hard to keep any thread on track with this obsessed fucktard MCunt coming on and repeating the same stupid shit ad nauseum

[accountinquestion]

You would be wrong.

Ironically I have taken up cheating. I am trying to sneak chips on the table over the buyin cap. I think one dealer was suspicous. I kept greens in my pocket and would reload. Then after some $$ moved around and a new dealer I put a few more greens.The cap is $300 but everyone else is a scrub and doesn't ask for greens when it speeds up the game a lot. So the greens stick out but they fit in your pocket and are easy to add. The reds would blend in but you have to add half a stack at a time. Maybe get a table change and do it in route? I did it the last time so I'm working on my approach. I play it off dumb and they'll give me a warning. Not that they would care that much but i don't want to ever be caught if I wish to keep doing it.

Well, I may be wrong (cough, cough), but I did watch the series TILT in 2005, which (truth be told) was based on real people and real events. The Michael Madsen character, for example, was pretty assuredly "based on" Doyle Brunson, in case anyone is interested.

As far as poker cheating, I mean c'mon, you can riffle chips like Morse code if you practice a little. I don't even want to consider what I'd come up with to bolster a stable if stablemates were at the same table. With people having pieces of each other and side bets that dwarf the early payouts, you'd have to be a, pardon the Bugs Bunny




to think this stuff isn't ubiquitous. I've played in little local feeder tournaments to little WSOP events in Mississippi, and you had husband-and-wife collusion aplenty. I knew a couple who took cruises just to play poker with the rubes. So to think that actual poker players playing for big money, with serious side bets, don't exercise their God-given right to communicate under the radar, okay, you have much more faith in the common man than me. Maybe not as much experience. But much more faith.

BUT these people are so inept otherwise that they're still losing value to you. Thats the key part.

Yes, they probably lose less value to you but that doesn't mean they're even +EV to the tournament as a whole.

If the players are locals then people pick up on husband/wife interactions. There are a lot of eyes and a lot of IQ points at these tables.

I could write pages of cheat stories. Ones I've heard and ones I've been cheated. Some are even completely embarrassing for how naive I was at that moment.

People should always be looking for cheating. I've seen some crazy stuff. Coin-flip on river drawing in a blackchip (small blind is black chip .. ) game for getting a free-card. We couldn't figure it out had to be cheating. It is a fascinating world but if I talk too much about specifics it just opens me up to being doxed.

Also - you should learn to read. You're going from spouses cheating in $150 weeklies to "big money". Anyway, I don't care to get into all this because it is not an interest to me in poker but I'll give examples for consideration. You have $150 3 table tournaments with fairly bad players. It isn't big enough to have a "stable" but say 3 people are cheating what are the odds they're at the same table? If they're spending their time doing such things they're probably not developing much of a strategy. They could very well fuck themselves over and both lose big lol. Contrast this to WSOP main event where concern of collusion is laughable until it actually happens.

online it is more of a concern by far and I don't do tourneys but if you were to worry about collusion it'd be in those bellagio 10ks (or whereever in LV maybe Aria or Wynn) that happen often. It is not a concern of significance for the tournaments most people play.

[accountinquestion]

Getting this thread back on track…..for one post anyways before the trolling continues. For someone who states they are mostly a cash game player, and Hold’em isn’t their main game, Druff finds a way to last far longer than most year after year. While luck plays a role in poker, the skilled players still find ways to cash more than the amateurs who give it a shot.

“Todd Witteles (chip updates only)
@DanDruffPoker
·
19h
We’ve hit the money. 821k.

In last 14 Mains, I’ve made deep day 3 nine times (2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2017, 2019, 2021, 2023, 2024), and cashed 4 of those.

I have never cashed for less than double the min cash.

Best 2 finishes were 88th (2010) and 128th (2019).”

I 100% would be a significant edge in those but I'm an unknown and happy with that. Thus it is harder to get backing outside of locals circle and I don't network. I hate LV. I kinda enjoy tournaments I guess. The higher ones have smarter people so the table talk is better but I never care enough to go play them.

I need to read a book on the meta aspects of tournament poker. I used to be pretty good at ICM (?) play in SNGs. Actually my sharkscope says I absolutely crushed them but that was the early days. If I fixed up that aspect of my game I'd be a great nlhe player. It is an interesting thought. An idea worth consideration for next year.

Todd has basically been around as long as me and played a ton. He's studied the game. He is clearly +EV and if you question that you're clueless in general. (Not saying this directly to boz)

I would love to know the breakdown by %s into recs and pros/expros by tournament.

[smurgerburger]

You would be wrong.

Ironically I have taken up cheating. I am trying to sneak chips on the table over the buyin cap. I think one dealer was suspicous. I kept greens in my pocket and would reload. Then after some $$ moved around and a new dealer I put a few more greens.The cap is $300 but everyone else is a scrub and doesn't ask for greens when it speeds up the game a lot. So the greens stick out but they fit in your pocket and are easy to add. The reds would blend in but you have to add half a stack at a time. Maybe get a table change and do it in route? I did it the last time so I'm working on my approach. I play it off dumb and they'll give me a warning. Not that they would care that much but i don't want to ever be caught if I wish to keep doing it.

Well, I may be wrong (cough, cough), but I did watch the series TILT in 2005, which (truth be told) was based on real people and real events. The Michael Madsen character, for example, was pretty assuredly "based on" Doyle Brunson, in case anyone is interested.

As far as poker cheating, I mean c'mon, you can riffle chips like Morse code if you practice a little. I don't even want to consider what I'd come up with to bolster a stable if stablemates were at the same table. With people having pieces of each other and side bets that dwarf the early payouts, you'd have to be a, pardon the Bugs Bunny




to think this stuff isn't ubiquitous. I've played in little local feeder tournaments to little WSOP events in Mississippi, and you had husband-and-wife collusion aplenty. I knew a couple who took cruises just to play poker with the rubes. So to think that actual poker players playing for big money, with serious side bets, don't exercise their God-given right to communicate under the radar, okay, you have much more faith in the common man than me. Maybe not as much experience. But much more faith.

Actually much more relevant experience.

Cheating is not ubiquitous, though of course it happens. And incidentally it's not nearly as feasible as you seem to think in a large MTT (of which the WSOP ME is the most extreme example), nor as hard to detect if done repeatedly by the same people in the same venues, as per your hypotheticals.