The WoV Thread

[redietz]

My ATS record has been verifiable for decades. What I do with that skill is up to me. I have both third-party documentation for literally 30 years+ AND clients who have dated/timed email records of what I've taken going back years and years.

It's funny how you, of all people, would respond like this. People take your UNVERIFIED but spot on slot analyses as "proof" that you win money. Maybe you don't. At all. Maybe you are one of those who spend a third of your winnings on booze, a third on hookers, and waste the rest. Or maybe you don't have gambling winnings at all. Maybe you blow any money won on alcohol-soaked steamers. The point is, you don't even have third-party verification of ANYTHING for any period of time.

And you want to criticize someone who has been monitored every day of every football season for 40 years? LOL. Yeah, these APs. Brag like bears; third-party document like hummingbirds.

I asked you to post some of your records here
I would have found some of that stuff pretty interesting
your response to me was that you suggested that I write you a letter
don't wanna look for the old post but iirc your exact words were "drop me a line"
I didn't wanna do that
and you didn't wanna post them here
I'm not saying I doubt your claims - but you have not verified them here any more than anyone else
you just say you have verifiable records - you don't post them here

.

It may surprise you, but it's not everyone's job to do your research for you. It's especially not a real person's job to do the research for an anonymous collection of letters spelling "Half Smoke."

If you want to know something, and I offer to send you copies of the verification, and you're too timid to provide an actual address, whose fault is it that you're paranoid and timid? If you don't have the balls to provide an actual address or name, that's my fault? You've retreated to some anonymous fantasyland that has NOT been the way humans have interacted for 99.999% of human history. I kind of get it. After 50 years of capitalism creating gaps between "ideal self" and reality (so as to sell you products and services to bridge that gap), and after a generation grown up on online sex as its main squeeze, we have people scared to death to identify themselves and be seen. I sort of understand. Nobody gets laid; two-thirds are obese; nobody making any money; everyone with standards of living below what they see on TV.

Not my problem to circumvent your fear. Provide an address; I'll take the time and expense to print out reasonable verification and ship it to you. If that scares you, I feel sorry for you. If you want to break bread next time I'm in LV, that's fine. I'll lug the stuff along and hand it over. If those options are oh-too-much for you, God bless you.

The logic behind some of these posts is mind-bogglingly lazy. I was in The Wise Guys Contest for 30 years, two games a week, every week of every season for 30 friggin' years. Always public; always in advance. Those results were published on national newsstands for 30 years. The website hosting the contest got a hundred times the traffic of this one. But I'm supposed to provide clickbait proof to some anonymous denizen of this place that the other things exist? Why would I bother? I mean, really, I offered to send you copies of published materials, which is what academics have always done for each other.

[Rob.Singer]

My ATS record has been verifiable for decades. What I do with that skill is up to me. I have both third-party documentation for literally 30 years+ AND clients who have dated/timed email records of what I've taken going back years and years.

It's funny how you, of all people, would respond like this. People take your UNVERIFIED but spot on slot analyses as "proof" that you win money. Maybe you don't. At all. Maybe you are one of those who spend a third of your winnings on booze, a third on hookers, and waste the rest. Or maybe you don't have gambling winnings at all. Maybe you blow any money won on alcohol-soaked steamers. The point is, you don't even have third-party verification of ANYTHING for any period of time.

And you want to criticize someone who has been monitored every day of every football season for 40 years? LOL. Yeah, these APs. Brag like bears; third-party document like hummingbirds.

I asked you to post some of your records here
I would have found some of that stuff pretty interesting
your response to me was that you suggested that I write you a letter
don't wanna look for the old post but iirc your exact words were "drop me a line"
I didn't wanna do that
and you didn't wanna post them here
I'm not saying I doubt your claims - but you have not verified them here any more than anyone else
you just say you have verifiable records - you don't post them here

.

It may surprise you, but it's not everyone's job to do your research for you. It's especially not a real person's job to do the research for an anonymous collection of letters spelling "Half Smoke."

If you want to know something, and I offer to send you copies of the verification, and you're too timid to provide an actual address, whose fault is it that you're paranoid and timid? If you don't have the balls to provide an actual address or name, that's my fault? You've retreated to some anonymous fantasyland that has NOT been the way humans have interacted for 99.999% of human history. I kind of get it. After 50 years of capitalism creating gaps between "ideal self" and reality (so as to sell you products and services to bridge that gap), and after a generation grown up on online sex as its main squeeze, we have people scared to death to identify themselves and be seen. I sort of understand. Nobody gets laid; two-thirds are obese; nobody making any money; everyone with standards of living below what they see on TV.

Not my problem to circumvent your fear. Provide an address; I'll take the time and expense to print out reasonable verification and ship it to you. If that scares you, I feel sorry for you. If you want to break bread next time I'm in LV, that's fine. I'll lug the stuff along and hand it over. If those options are oh-too-much for you, God bless you.

The logic behind some of these posts is mind-bogglingly lazy. I was in The Wise Guys Contest for 30 years, two games a week, every week of every season for 30 friggin' years. Always public; always in advance. Those results were published on national newsstands for 30 years. The website hosting the contest got a hundred times the traffic of this one. But I'm supposed to provide clickbait proof to some anonymous denizen of this place that the other things exist? Why would I bother? I mean, really, I offered to send you copies of published materials, which is what academics have always done for each other.

Then why bother posting what you do to a mostly anonymous audience? Slots, vp, & table players can't provide verification of anything without making tax returns public, which only a fool would do, especially if they file joint returns. And really, that's the only way someone who does what you do could verify your claims also.

So you place well in tournaments etc. Well, just like most poker "pros", how would anyone be able to verify that you don't really lose more than you say you win? Anonymous or not.

[Half Smoke]

My ATS record has been verifiable for decades. What I do with that skill is up to me. I have both third-party documentation for literally 30 years+ AND clients who have dated/timed email records of what I've taken going back years and years.

It's funny how you, of all people, would respond like this. People take your UNVERIFIED but spot on slot analyses as "proof" that you win money. Maybe you don't. At all. Maybe you are one of those who spend a third of your winnings on booze, a third on hookers, and waste the rest. Or maybe you don't have gambling winnings at all. Maybe you blow any money won on alcohol-soaked steamers. The point is, you don't even have third-party verification of ANYTHING for any period of time.

And you want to criticize someone who has been monitored every day of every football season for 40 years? LOL. Yeah, these APs. Brag like bears; third-party document like hummingbirds.

I asked you to post some of your records here
I would have found some of that stuff pretty interesting
your response to me was that you suggested that I write you a letter
don't wanna look for the old post but iirc your exact words were "drop me a line"
I didn't wanna do that
and you didn't wanna post them here
I'm not saying I doubt your claims - but you have not verified them here any more than anyone else
you just say you have verifiable records - you don't post them here

.

It may surprise you, but it's not everyone's job to do your research for you. It's especially not a real person's job to do the research for an anonymous collection of letters spelling "Half Smoke."

If you want to know something, and I offer to send you copies of the verification, and you're too timid to provide an actual address, whose fault is it that you're paranoid and timid? If you don't have the balls to provide an actual address or name, that's my fault? You've retreated to some anonymous fantasyland that has NOT been the way humans have interacted for 99.999% of human history. I kind of get it. After 50 years of capitalism creating gaps between "ideal self" and reality (so as to sell you products and services to bridge that gap), and after a generation grown up on online sex as its main squeeze, we have people scared to death to identify themselves and be seen. I sort of understand. Nobody gets laid; two-thirds are obese; nobody making any money; everyone with standards of living below what they see on TV.

Not my problem to circumvent your fear. Provide an address; I'll take the time and expense to print out reasonable verification and ship it to you. If that scares you, I feel sorry for you. If you want to break bread next time I'm in LV, that's fine. I'll lug the stuff along and hand it over. If those options are oh-too-much for you, God bless you.

The logic behind some of these posts is mind-bogglingly lazy. I was in The Wise Guys Contest for 30 years, two games a week, every week of every season for 30 friggin' years. Always public; always in advance. Those results were published on national newsstands for 30 years. The website hosting the contest got a hundred times the traffic of this one. But I'm supposed to provide clickbait proof to some anonymous denizen of this place that the other things exist? Why would I bother? I mean, really, I offered to send you copies of published materials, which is what academics have always done for each other.

okay, fair enough
but you seemed to be asking mickey for verification HERE
what kinna verification would you want - copies of income tax records____?_____pics of the machine and the payout after he hit it____?_____what would that prove________?______anybody could take pics of someone else's machine
why would you ask mickey for something HERE that you have not provided______?
idk - maybe you want mickey to mail you copies of his income tax records - or maybe copies of checks if he got paid in checks after a big hit
and a bj ap that didn't play rated would only have income tax records as verification - nothing else - unless it's handwritten or entered into a computer by the ap himself - and that wouldn't prove anything - would you really expect a bj ap to mail you copies of his income tax records_________?

as far as my own personal anonymity - people have threatened to kill people on this forum - weren't you involved in something like that______?_______apologies if you weren't - I can't keep it all straight

but no way I would ever be anything other than anonymous on this forum - I don't know why anyone would care - I never made any grandiose claims - the one claim I made about being a bj ap was small fry stuff from the late 80s and early 90s - and I don't even care if somebody doesn't believe it

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[MisterV]

Red, not to hurl stones but you have to admit that when people found out you owed unpaid property taxes it opened the door to questions as to your financial solvency: same as when it was discovered that Robert filed chapter seven bankruptcy.

I cannot think of any more positive proof.

[mickeycrimm]

My ATS record has been verifiable for decades. What I do with that skill is up to me. I have both third-party documentation for literally 30 years+ AND clients who have dated/timed email records of what I've taken going back years and years.

It's funny how you, of all people, would respond like this. People take your UNVERIFIED but spot on slot analyses as "proof" that you win money. Maybe you don't. At all. Maybe you are one of those who spend a third of your winnings on booze, a third on hookers, and waste the rest. Or maybe you don't have gambling winnings at all. Maybe you blow any money won on alcohol-soaked steamers. The point is, you don't even have third-party verification of ANYTHING for any period of time.

And you want to criticize someone who has been monitored every day of every football season for 40 years? LOL. Yeah, these APs. Brag like bears; third-party document like hummingbirds.

I asked you to post some of your records here
I would have found some of that stuff pretty interesting
your response to me was that you suggested that I write you a letter
don't wanna look for the old post but iirc your exact words were "drop me a line"
I didn't wanna do that
and you didn't wanna post them here
I'm not saying I doubt your claims - but you have not verified them here any more than anyone else
you just say you have verifiable records - you don't post them here

.

It may surprise you, but it's not everyone's job to do your research for you. It's especially not a real person's job to do the research for an anonymous collection of letters spelling "Half Smoke."

If you want to know something, and I offer to send you copies of the verification, and you're too timid to provide an actual address, whose fault is it that you're paranoid and timid? If you don't have the balls to provide an actual address or name, that's my fault? You've retreated to some anonymous fantasyland that has NOT been the way humans have interacted for 99.999% of human history. I kind of get it. After 50 years of capitalism creating gaps between "ideal self" and reality (so as to sell you products and services to bridge that gap), and after a generation grown up on online sex as its main squeeze, we have people scared to death to identify themselves and be seen. I sort of understand. Nobody gets laid; two-thirds are obese; nobody making any money; everyone with standards of living below what they see on TV.

Not my problem to circumvent your fear. Provide an address; I'll take the time and expense to print out reasonable verification and ship it to you. If that scares you, I feel sorry for you. If you want to break bread next time I'm in LV, that's fine. I'll lug the stuff along and hand it over. If those options are oh-too-much for you, God bless you.

The logic behind some of these posts is mind-bogglingly lazy. I was in The Wise Guys Contest for 30 years, two games a week, every week of every season for 30 friggin' years. Always public; always in advance. Those results were published on national newsstands for 30 years. The website hosting the contest got a hundred times the traffic of this one. But I'm supposed to provide clickbait proof to some anonymous denizen of this place that the other things exist? Why would I bother? I mean, really, I offered to send you copies of published materials, which is what academics have always done for each other.

Send the records to me. My address is mickeycrimm@gmail.com

[mickeycrimm]

The difference in gambling, MDawg, as opposed to life in general, is that gambling success is "established" via verifiable numbers. If you're just wanking out fairy tales with no third party verification, it's just wanking.

That's the issue I have with the kewlJ fairy tales, which is what they are until verified somehow by someone. If you have established Hall of Fame blackjack players, who know each other, and who get together IN PERSON and IN REAL SPACE and share info, that's an entirely different thing than blathering anonymously online. A lot of kewlJ's excuses for non-verifiability don't really hold water. In any other endeavor, whether gambling or not, people know each other and vouch for each other after real-life interactions. Blackjack, poker, video poker play, slot play, sports gambling, you name it -- there are verifiable sub-cultures who know each other.

KewlJ tries to sell this Winter Soldier/Three Days of the Condor stuff. He makes the case that AP's are all like James Fucking Bond. Everybody knows what they're doing (for decades), but nobody knows who they are. To quote Dalton from the first fight scene of Roadhouse, "Yeah, sure."

Redietz, verifiability seems very important to you. So you should lead by example. You should be the one going first. Tell us the actual verifiable amount of money youve made gambling in the past 30 years. Or can your hummingbird ass back up your alligator mouth?

My ATS record has been verifiable for decades. What I do with that skill is up to me. I have both third-party documentation for literally 30 years+ AND clients who have dated/timed email records of what I've taken going back years and years.

It's funny how you, of all people, would respond like this. People take your UNVERIFIED but spot on slot analyses as "proof" that you win money. Maybe you don't. At all. Maybe you are one of those who spend a third of your winnings on booze, a third on hookers, and waste the rest. Or maybe you don't have gambling winnings at all. Maybe you blow any money won on alcohol-soaked steamers. The point is, you don't even have third-party verification of ANYTHING for any period of time.

And you want to criticize someone who has been monitored every day of every football season for 40 years? LOL. Yeah, these APs. Brag like bears; third-party document like hummingbirds.

It’s not about your record in free rolls. It’s about how much money you’ve made. TJ Cloutier won a lot if tournaments. He’s a broke ass bitch. Are you a TJ? You’ve never proved anything. But you want everyone to prove shit to you. Show us what you are worth.

[mickeycrimm]

Half Smoke, if you give redietz your real name and address, he will send you his verfiable records. Of course, he won’t ship until after he appears in a podcast and sends Druff his verifiable credit score. We’ve waited only two years for a podcast and just several months on the credit score. So it shouldn’t be much longer, right, redietz?

[accountinquestion]

I asked you to post some of your records here
I would have found some of that stuff pretty interesting
your response to me was that you suggested that I write you a letter
don't wanna look for the old post but iirc your exact words were "drop me a line"
I didn't wanna do that
and you didn't wanna post them here
I'm not saying I doubt your claims - but you have not verified them here any more than anyone else
you just say you have verifiable records - you don't post them here

.

It may surprise you, but it's not everyone's job to do your research for you. It's especially not a real person's job to do the research for an anonymous collection of letters spelling "Half Smoke."

If you want to know something, and I offer to send you copies of the verification, and you're too timid to provide an actual address, whose fault is it that you're paranoid and timid? If you don't have the balls to provide an actual address or name, that's my fault? You've retreated to some anonymous fantasyland that has NOT been the way humans have interacted for 99.999% of human history. I kind of get it. After 50 years of capitalism creating gaps between "ideal self" and reality (so as to sell you products and services to bridge that gap), and after a generation grown up on online sex as its main squeeze, we have people scared to death to identify themselves and be seen. I sort of understand. Nobody gets laid; two-thirds are obese; nobody making any money; everyone with standards of living below what they see on TV.

Not my problem to circumvent your fear. Provide an address; I'll take the time and expense to print out reasonable verification and ship it to you. If that scares you, I feel sorry for you. If you want to break bread next time I'm in LV, that's fine. I'll lug the stuff along and hand it over. If those options are oh-too-much for you, God bless you.

The logic behind some of these posts is mind-bogglingly lazy. I was in The Wise Guys Contest for 30 years, two games a week, every week of every season for 30 friggin' years. Always public; always in advance. Those results were published on national newsstands for 30 years. The website hosting the contest got a hundred times the traffic of this one. But I'm supposed to provide clickbait proof to some anonymous denizen of this place that the other things exist? Why would I bother? I mean, really, I offered to send you copies of published materials, which is what academics have always done for each other.

okay, fair enough
but you seemed to be asking mickey for verification HERE
what kinna verification would you want - copies of income tax records____?_____pics of the machine and the payout after he hit it____?_____what would that prove________?______anybody could take pics of someone else's machine
why would you ask mickey for something HERE that you have not provided______?
idk - maybe you want mickey to mail you copies of his income tax records - or maybe copies of checks if he got paid in checks after a big hit
and a bj ap that didn't play rated would only have income tax records as verification - nothing else - unless it's handwritten or entered into a computer by the ap himself - and that wouldn't prove anything - would you really expect a bj ap to mail you copies of his income tax records_________?

as far as my own personal anonymity - people have threatened to kill people on this forum - weren't you involved in something like that______?_______apologies if you weren't - I can't keep it all straight

but no way I would ever be anything other than anonymous on this forum - I don't know why anyone would care - I never made any grandiose claims - the one claim I made about being a bj ap was small fry stuff from the late 80s and early 90s - and I don't even care if somebody doesn't believe it

.

Redietz is only guy who thinks he is going to be in a movie. Wait he is the only one to even entertain the thought.

Endlessly bitter. Talkd about how he'd take a picture of anyone that shows up but then tries to get people to meet him
On his yearly lv excursions. He is so deluded he thinks people
Should try to find copies of some obscure gambling book that was never worth keeping copies around.

Then he mocks you for not being more like him.

[accountinquestion]

Half Smoke, if you give redietz your real name and address, he will send you his verfisble records. Of course, he won’t ship until after he appears in a podcast and sends Druff his verifiable credit score. We’ve waited only two years for a podcast and just several months on the credit score. So it shouldn’t be much longer.

Oh I forgot the broken promise of the podcast. Lol no shame. I have 10x more shame and my name isn't even out there.

[accountinquestion]

Red, not to hurl stones but you have to admit that when people found out you owed unpaid property taxes it opened the door to questions as to your financial solvency: same as when it was discovered that Robert filed chapter seven bankruptcy.

I cannot think of any more positive proof.

Is that actually a known verified thing?

[mickeycrimm]

The difference in gambling, MDawg, as opposed to life in general, is that gambling success is "established" via verifiable numbers. If you're just wanking out fairy tales with no third party verification, it's just wanking.

That's the issue I have with the kewlJ fairy tales, which is what they are until verified somehow by someone. If you have established Hall of Fame blackjack players, who know each other, and who get together IN PERSON and IN REAL SPACE and share info, that's an entirely different thing than blathering anonymously online. A lot of kewlJ's excuses for non-verifiability don't really hold water. In any other endeavor, whether gambling or not, people know each other and vouch for each other after real-life interactions. Blackjack, poker, video poker play, slot play, sports gambling, you name it -- there are verifiable sub-cultures who know each other.

KewlJ tries to sell this Winter Soldier/Three Days of the Condor stuff. He makes the case that AP's are all like James Fucking Bond. Everybody knows what they're doing (for decades), but nobody knows who they are. To quote Dalton from the first fight scene of Roadhouse, "Yeah, sure."

Redietz, verifiability seems very important to you. So you should lead by example. You should be the one going first. Tell us the actual verifiable amount of money youve made gambling in the past 30 years. Or can your hummingbird ass back up your alligator mouth?

My ATS record has been verifiable for decades. What I do with that skill is up to me. I have both third-party documentation for literally 30 years+ AND clients who have dated/timed email records of what I've taken going back years and years.

It's funny how you, of all people, would respond like this. People take your UNVERIFIED but spot on slot analyses as "proof" that you win money. Maybe you don't. At all. Maybe you are one of those who spend a third of your winnings on booze, a third on hookers, and waste the rest. Or maybe you don't have gambling winnings at all. Maybe you blow any money won on alcohol-soaked steamers. The point is, you don't even have third-party verification of ANYTHING for any period of time.

And you want to criticize someone who has been monitored every day of every football season for 40 years? LOL. Yeah, these APs. Brag like bears; third-party document like hummingbirds.

It’s not about your record in free rolls. It’s about how much money you’ve made. TJ Cloutier won a lot if tournaments. He’s a broke ass bitch. Are you a TJ? You’ve never proved anything. But you want everyone to prove shit to you.

[mickeycrimm]

Half Smoke, if you give redietz your real name and address, he will send you his verfisble records. Of course, he won’t ship until after he appears in a podcast and sends Druff his verifiable credit score. We’ve waited only two years for a podcast and just several months on the credit score. So it shouldn’t be much longer.

Oh I forgot the broken promise of the podcast. Lol no shame. I have 10x more shame and my name isn't even out there.

Munchkin told me redietz refused when offered to go on GWAE. Then redietz continued to tell us he would appear. Redietz is a game playing piece of shit. He got everyone to post screenshots of their credit scores but didn’t reciprocate. How many months has it been since he was supposed to deliver his credit score to Druff?

Everyone must demand that he go first in any of these challenges. That will kill the challenges because he will never produce any evidence of anything.Dont jump thru hoops for that idiot.

[MisterV]

Red, not to hurl stones but you have to admit that when people found out you owed unpaid property taxes it opened the door to questions as to your financial solvency: same as when it was discovered that Robert filed chapter seven bankruptcy.

I cannot think of any more positive proof.

Is that actually a known verified thing?

I posted proof of Robert filing bankruptcy some time ago...

see: https://bota.az.gov/sites/default/fi...01806-99-I.pdf

As for Redietz: Others have posted the info, and IIRC he acknowledged it and attempted to explain it away.

[Rob.Singer]

Maybe you should post some of Trump's bankruptcies in the '90's also, and then realize how wealthy he is today.

If you were really an ex-atty. you'd know how & why successful people use these tools as positives.

Please wise up.

[MisterV]

Maybe you should post some of Trump's bankruptcies in the '90's also, and then realize how wealthy he is today.

If you were really an ex-atty. you'd know how & why successful people use these tools as positives.

Please wise up.

Trump was a piece of shit then and he still is.

You however...look, I'm not casting apersions at you, I merely said it raises questions...as well it should.

Yes, you filed some time ago, I got it...but you DID file for personal bankruptcy, and most of us get throught life without having to pull that particular plug.

[Rob.Singer]

Maybe you should post some of Trump's bankruptcies in the '90's also, and then realize how wealthy he is today.

If you were really an ex-atty. you'd know how & why successful people use these tools as positives.

Please wise up.

Trump was a piece of shit then and he still is.

You however...look, I'm not casting apersions at you, I merely said it raises questions...as well it should.

Yes, you filed some time ago, I got it...but you DID file for personal bankruptcy, and most of us get throught life without having to pull that particular plug.

And most people don't hit $1.5mil vp hands, they haven't lived on 4 continents, and they haven't been to nearly every country on earth numerous times over. Neither was I embarrassed for filing as was disclosed on my website when I began my vp career in 2000.

Similarly, if we were to pull the masks off of all the anonymous keyboard warriors here, ESPECIALLY INCLUDING YOU, guess what would be found. Sure you can claim and deny anything you like--as do all anonymous posters. But who are the cowards V?

[MisterV]

Similarly, if we were to pull the masks off of all the anonymous keyboard warriors here, ESPECIALLY INCLUDING YOU, guess what would be found. Sure you can claim and deny anything you like--as do all anonymous posters. But who are the cowards V?

Actually Robert I really don't claim anything particularly unusual.

True, I say that I am a retired atty and yes, I post no proof of that.

And I say I am quite comfortable financially and post no proof of that.

I leave it to the reader to form their own conclusion.

But hey, something new...you like hot Dodges: have you heard that they're bringing out a high performance version of the Viper?

I expect you'll not switch from the Caddy, given the low wife approval factor the Viper ACR would have.

see:

[DGenBen]

Maybe you should post some of Trump's bankruptcies in the '90's also, and then realize how wealthy he is today.

If you were really an ex-atty. you'd know how & why successful people use these tools as positives.

Please wise up.

Trump was a piece of shit then and he still is.

You however...look, I'm not casting apersions at you, I merely said it raises questions...as well it should.

Yes, you filed some time ago, I got it...but you DID file for personal bankruptcy, and most of us get throught life without having to pull that particular plug.

And most people don't hit $1.5mil vp hands, they haven't lived on 4 continents, and they haven't been to nearly every country on earth numerous times over. Neither was I embarrassed for filing as was disclosed on my website when I began my vp career in 2000.

Similarly, if we were to pull the masks off of all the anonymous keyboard warriors here, ESPECIALLY INCLUDING YOU, guess what would be found. Sure you can claim and deny anything you like--as do all anonymous posters. But who are the cowards V?

Only 4 continents?

What about Africa & Antartica?

[MHF]

Trump was a piece of shit then and he still is.

You however...look, I'm not casting apersions at you, I merely said it raises questions...as well it should.

Yes, you filed some time ago, I got it...but you DID file for personal bankruptcy, and most of us get throught life without having to pull that particular plug.

And most people don't hit $1.5mil vp hands, they haven't lived on 4 continents, and they haven't been to nearly every country on earth numerous times over. Neither was I embarrassed for filing as was disclosed on my website when I began my vp career in 2000.

Similarly, if we were to pull the masks off of all the anonymous keyboard warriors here, ESPECIALLY INCLUDING YOU, guess what would be found. Sure you can claim and deny anything you like--as do all anonymous posters. But who are the cowards V?

Only 4 continents?

What about Africa & Antartica?

Or "the land down under"?

[DGenBen]

And most people don't hit $1.5mil vp hands, they haven't lived on 4 continents, and they haven't been to nearly every country on earth numerous times over. Neither was I embarrassed for filing as was disclosed on my website when I began my vp career in 2000.

Similarly, if we were to pull the masks off of all the anonymous keyboard warriors here, ESPECIALLY INCLUDING YOU, guess what would be found. Sure you can claim and deny anything you like--as do all anonymous posters. But who are the cowards V?

Only 4 continents?

What about Africa & Antartica?

Or "the land down under"?

Shipping the Newell down there is too expensive.