VINDICATION for KJ

[kewlJ]

All that came out was that you got caught in more lies. And that HunterHill was just fucking with all of us (including with UNKewlJ himself).

None of that "came out" fucktard. NONE OF IT! As always you just made shit up. You are delusional. Not just saying that. You are fucking detached from reality.

[MisterV]

So you say, but then you say a lot.

Hello, verbal diarrhea.

[MDawg]

H.Hill's post claimed that he met UNKewlJ while UNKewlJ was working with a well known hole carding team before UNKewlJ ever came to Vegas.

Does the term "working with" mean the same as "working for?"

Could be KJ's association with HH's team with short-lived and casual, or perhaps he focused on counting while they focused on hole carding?

Whatever, you didn't provide a "Gotcha!"

V, if you want to believe what UNKewlJ is saying today...he is claiming today that he threw a random lie out there two years ago about that the only hole carding experience he had was limited, only for one summer, and 2-3 years after he arrived in Vegas.

9/23/2022:

My experience with HCing is very limited. I did it one summer 2-3 years after I moved to Vegas..

Today, he came with the standard UNKewl disavowal / red herring when he gets caught in a lie:

Today:

We share what we want to share. Some share nothing. Some share things and change timelines and details to protect themselves.

There are things, (a lot) that I haven't shared. Haven't said a word about. There are things I might misdirect away from information I don't want shared. And there are times I say too much and backtrack and even lie a bit to protect myself.

HOWEVER, on 8/13/2018, he said something that corroborates the same "limited, just one summer, 2 - 3 years after coming to Vegas hole-carding experience" timeline:

Disclosure: I no longer engage in hole-carding. Haven't for about 6 years now. I don't care for winning that way

So that would put his hole carding at around 2012, exactly a few years after he claimed he came to Vegas, which again contradicts HunterHill's timeline of that UNKewlJ was part of a hole carding team years before he even came to Vegas.

So, either UNKewlJ is such a crafty liar that he made up a story about having only limited hole carding experience only after he arrived in Vegas and only for one summer, and kept track of that lie over a six year period of posts here at VCT...or he's lying today about that he made all that up.

The reason he wants to lie about what he said here previously at VCT is simple: if he never hole carded before coming to Vegas, he could not have met HunterHill while part of a hole carding team years before he came to Vegas.

It's like you need a pair of tweezers just to extract some semblance of the truth from this compulsive liar.

No wonder he disavowed any knowledge of HunterHill. He already knows that either Hill has some damaging dirt on him, or he knows he has the wrong guy.

And meantime this Hill is fucking with all of us, by disclosing different information publicly and privately.

[MDawg]

It just comes down to that he just can't keep his mouth shut. The more he talks, the more he ends up in contradictory lies. He is incapable of telling the truth, his natural and immediate reaction is always...to lie.

And when he can't think of a decent lie ("obviously of limited intelligence" as many here have said), he just comes with the standard nonsensical, "I make things up regularly to protect myself."

Anyway, I've nailed the coffin shut on this one. To spend more time on it will no doubt result in finding more holes in the story, but, as we know,

Anything requiring research with FraudJ is a complete waste of time.

[kewlJ]

I don't know if dawg is a lawyer or just some guy with some knowledge of the law pretending (as he often does). But a detective he is not! This dude is grabbing at all the wrong straws. twisting, turning, making more and more shit up.

[AxelWolf]

I'm still curious why

Is that right, Mr. Curious...you are still curious?

You are a very curious little fella, aren't you.

But why are you so curious about that?

How do you find the time to spend worrying about how somebody else has enough time to do whatever they are doing?

You must not have a lot going on in your life.

Aren't there other more worthwhile things for you to always be so curious about?

Im not doing much right now, that's for sure. I have been spending 90% of my time at home doing repairs, chilling, and doing AP online because, I'm in total limbo waiting to sell my place and tie up some loose ends before I hit the road and buy more land.

[AxelWolf]

KJ I swear that you said multiple times that you weren't into hole carding and various other forms of Blackjack Advantage Play.
What were you doing with the well-known whole carding team?

I did say multiple times that I don't care for hole-carding. Never said it is illegal (as someone else claimed). Never said I didn't do some of it, especially earlier in my career. As a matter of fact I have relayed a story of my first year or so in Vegas, following a specific dealer around (from Circus Circus). Getting up at 3am to hit his shifts. And I never said that was my first go round with hole carding. Not verifying or denying anything specific. Just not.

But again, I don't like to talk about anything I have done with other APs. I don't think that is my place to do so. If I decide to share something I have done solo, and I say the wrong thing, or say too much, I am only hurting myself. I try not talk about anything I have done teaming or partnering with others, although I did mention the play my brother and I did earlier this year.

I have at various times mentioned a number of things besides card counting though. Card counting was always the biggest part of what I have done since moving to Vegas, and now even that has changed.

I actually think that you indicated you didn't want to beat casinos like that and that you wanted to beat casinos on the up and up. I.E. no gray area stuff. I actually think you got on a high horse during that discussion, it wasn't just some typical, oh I don't care to do tha.t I actually believe you said it was something along the lines of cheating, maybe not illegal, but you said it was cheating or something along those lines. I remember thinking you're being a little snotty regarding all that.

[theywontpayontuesday]

So many crazy fools wasting their lives away.

[kewlJ]

It IS cheating.

Especially depending on how you are doing it. For example, the old wheelchair trick which puts you at eye level with the felt. Cheating and skeezy.

What about what I did solo after moving to Vegas? Following around a weak dealer? Not illegal but feels sleezy and cheating.

The only time it doesn't feel sleezy to me is when toy just stumble on a sloppy dealer.

But there is a big difference in what is illegal and what is gray area cheating and feels sleezy.

It IS the casinos responsibility to protect their games.

[kewlJ]

And yes, I really like winning , playing completely by the casinos rules and still winning. Card counting gives me that. I feel good when I win that way.

What about what my brother and I did earlier this year? Traveled around taking advantage of what was almost surely a programing error. Illegal? absolutely not. (although I did have one casino exec threaten me with arrest). Was it cheating. ahhhh.grey area. I say no, but I knew it wasn't exactly right.

I didn't feel great about it like I do when I win card counting. But the money spends just the same.

[terapinedtheskeptic]

Mdawg claims I couldn't make it here
Mdawg claims I'm gay
Mdawg claims all the Chinese and Koreans are stupid
Mdawg claims he beats a negative expectation game
Bottom line
Mdawg constantly gets it wrong
Mdawg strikes me as a compulsive liar
Due to the evidence I have seen in this forum
No doubt Mdawg is wrong about KewlJ

Things I trust more then Mdawg
Flint MI tap water
Gas station sushi
Bill Cosby as the bartender
Taco Bell bathrooms
Tom Brady putting air in my tires
A North Korean trial
A shot from Dr Kevorkian
A Casey Anthony daycare
A fart when I have diarrhea
KewlJ

[MDawg]

Boz, I think you're wrong. The two headed calf around here is not Nathan, but T.Pined.

[mcap]

does the M Dog have his rabies shots updated? He's foaming at the mouth and stuff.

[jdaewoo]

I think the retard gets upset when people point out that he's a pathological liar.

[MDawg]

I think Daewoo gets upset when anyone says anything much about him.

And what the hell is wrong with you, I haven't seen the four letter c word from you in some time - you are losing your edge. (Edginess.)

[MDawg]

The story of the scene here is that when discrepancies emerged in the HunterHill story (UNKewlJ's posted claims here at the forum as to minimal hole carding experience, never on a team, and only for one summer after he moved to Vegas versus HunterHill's claim of that UNKewlJ was playing on a flat out team, before he even moved to Vegas), instead of UNKewLyingJ saying, "Well maybe HunterHill was mistaken about exact dates or circumstances," he came with his usual corny disclaimer of "I always lie to protect myself, so how do you know I'm not lying now?"

It never ends with this guy.
He posts one thing today and a week later tells everyone he was lying.
And does it how many times now?
GTFOH... Spiderman!

Plus the guy comes with the usual UNKewl stupid sly "I'm not even saying I know the guy or that what he is saying is true" because he fears the end truth in all this might be bad for him.

That's just a standard pathological liar response, and why

Nothing you post should be believed.
You're an admitted and proven liar, and a known instigator.

Anyone who thinks UNKewlJ lies for any reason other than simply to lie is a fool.

I predict that both of these will alter their stories over time.

The UNKewl one was a liar, and like most liars, he was constantly changing his stories, altering time and personnel from one telling to the next. One time he would tell a story about someone, next time he would switch the story around to give himself the lead. He would sit in the casino coffee shop over coffee and pound cake, talking at random about his experiences, posting constantly on internet forums, plotting ways to take down all those he is envious of, never actually entering the casino, afraid like a nervous poodle to even play.

[unowme]

The only way to get to the bottom of this is for Rob Singer to chime in. He's already written one book about the Undeniable Truth. Maybe it's time for another. It could be a best seller around here.

[kewlJ]

I will give you an undeniable truth. Advantage players, especially AP's of many years that share any of what they do on forums or other platforms, only share parts of what they do or have done....for a variety of reasons. Grosjean is on forums and discord type platforms. Do you think he has publicly shared everything he has ever done in advantage play? What about our mickeycrimm, and Axelwolf and some other APs that have come through here. You think they tell you everything they have done? We share what we want to share or decide we can share.

I decided long ago that I wanted to share a lot of my blackjack card counting journey, because blackjack was the primary thing I was doing and planned to do. But it wasn't the only thing. I decided to share my blackjack experiences because card counting was completely known. There wasn't much I could say about my experiences that could harm anyone else, like when you talk about some play that is still somewhat less known (especially to casinos). I wanted to share exactly what kind of money a card counter could make and be able to play for years (as opposed to burn and slash) and what they go through involving variance and heat to do so.

But that doesn't mean I haven't done other things along the way. Hell, one of the things I have mentioned was my time playing the big six wheel, shortly after I moved to Vegas. Crushed the wheel for a short period at several locations. I think T.I. replaced their wheels with electronic versions (rather than the exploitable Asian girls that I crushed) at least in part because of me.

There have been other things I have done that I just haven't spoken of or spoken of often. What I wanted to share was my card counting experiences.

Look what happened when I shared a specific technique like tracking a second table with card counting. The crazies (mostly non card counters) blew a gasket.

So most APs are selective in what they share, based on any number of things. And one of those things is the trolls/Haters that now dominate many forums and platforms. Just look at this freak, Mdawg or even a coach belly, spending hours searching for things they think are a contradiction. Used to be the main concern for APs sharing anything were the casinos or casino related people. Now it is the trolls and haters that will search for information to out and dox us. No wonder most APs share very little these days.

Bottom line: No one knows everything I (or anyone else) has done as an AP. You know what we decide to tell you and share. And Mdawg if you were a REAL AP/winning player you would know that.

[MDawg]

The truth always takes several 10X Multipliers to try to explain when you're dealing with a pathological liar.

[kewlJ]

The truth always takes several 10X Multipliers to try to explain when you're dealing with a pathological liar.

You really are an idiot!