The WoV Thread

[MDawg]

AutomaticMonkey at WOV

It is no wonder that FraudJ professes kinship with this one.

Besides being an obvious phony, he's also not right in the head.

[kewlJ]

Where did I profess to have a kinship with automonk?? More nonsense that you and up.

I simply said some might recognize him from earlier blackjack forums.

I did learn some things about blackjack from AM, that I incorporated into my game, but we were not friends. He had a homophobic side to him.

I saw him on the beach in Atlantic city a couple mornings doing some kind of yoga/martial arts exercises, but never approached him because of his views.

But as I blackjack ap at the time, he was the real deal

[MDawg]

The fact that nobody knows anybody that knows KJ, despite his claim to have worked on AP teams etc., like the fact that his supposed backrooming left no trace online despite supposedly being covered by multiple local news networks, is actually extremely damning.

I'm guessing I'm four degrees tops separated from everyone on this forum that is in any sense an AP, and I'm a complete anti-social hermit. (I'm only two degrees separated from redietz and I know two people on here directly.)

As I've said before KJ has become a victim of his own success (as a fraud that is). You can claim for a few years to have been a LV counter who doesn't know anyone, you can't keep the story going for 20 years without it becoming crushingly improbable.

Maybe that's why he faked his death way back when. He knew he couldn't keep the story up. But then he realized not being able to post on the forums was a fate worse than death.

[MDawg]

I have a friend who is a top AP in this town that is well known. Author of a top AP book, years ago. He has been to my home a number of times now and I have worked with him and his team a number of times.

versus

I was recruited for teams at least twice. Another top, long running team claims they were recruiting me that I was not aware of. I turned down all offers.

HOWEVER, Hunterhill notwithstanding that he publicly posted to the contrary, has told me (or perhaps someone else who spilled to me) all I need to know about our ASIATIC tunnel dweller. I guess people just can't keep their mouths shut.

MaxPen and AxelWolf confirmed!

You have to figure about how after all these years of claiming that he has worked with this or that "AP," that this or that "AP" knows what happened to him here or there (including his lie about how various "APs" have contacted him about his fictitious backrooming incident after hearing about it), the only thing verified about him by multiple actual persons is that he has played a little red and green blackjack in the company of a sugar daddy.

THAT (to use an UNKewl introductory intensifier) says it all.

By now if there were any truth to any of what he claims something other than verification for his being a male prostitute would have come out.

[The Boz]

The more I think about this I’m not finding another situation where someone’s life was affected more negatively by WoV than Tasha’s as a percentage of their net worth. If true that she has a $400-$500 negative balance in her account because of trying to pay back a $100 loan because of her gambling addiction.

She has admitted to having no safety net financially and is constantly borrowing money week to week to survive. She has admitted to not paying back payday loan companies and having multiple banks close her accounts. One can easily deduct she cannot borrow from family and friends due to past “issues”. So she has had to reach out to strangers on at least 3 forums (WoV,PFA & here) that we know of to try and obtain funds.

We know Druff doesn’t care and has been consistent on how he runs his forum. But should Mike step in and do the right thing and ban her for her own good? Everyone knows I don’t like the guy so I’m biased against him, but at what point is he contributing to her further downfall by allowing the cycle to continue? What do others think?

The only comparison I can remember is Timspeed years ago where he was banned because supposedly a family member came to the forum and complained he was a degenerate and borrowed money from the family and didn’t pay it back. If I remember correctly he was banned because of personal drama being brought to the forum.

[MDawg]

Someone at WOV asked to borrow $5000. from me. This did not happen this year. That person to the member's credit did state flat out that had no idea when could repay.

I was nice about declining, I said that I don't blame the person for asking, but I don't lend money to someone inside a casino, which was essentially the situation under which the request was made - not that I ever met that person and have not met that person, but that person was gambling. The member and I exchanged some PMs and I guess that led to the member thinking "knew me" well enough to ask for the money. And it was not any of my buddyroo supporters at WOV.

As far as Tasha / Nathan I did post over at WOV that she should consider never gambling simply because if repaying a few hundred dollars is such a hardship, then that person has no business gambling. And now Wizard has suggested the same - that she quit. Of course she keeps going back to the same drill about how all this is due to some bank error, but the underlying issue of gambling beyond her means is what led to all this.

And as much as Boz makes fun of her, he means well with his post above, and so do I.

On the other hand, given that she keeps reverting to discussing the Bank Error (not in her favor!) and that she was betting too much to try to impress WOV members, she is not ready to stop, so I think trying to teach her to play +EV isn't such a bad idea, but that play AxelWolf suggested besides that it requires at least a bit of machine play knowledge to follow the steps, also seems to require $2500 seed money, which where is she going to get that?

[Tasha]

I also said that I learned my lesson to stop gambling hard to try to impress WOV and VCT. I went from playing literally ONE penny a spin on slots to playing $50 Roulette spins. That's a 5,000 times bet!

[The Boz]

I also said that I learned my lesson to stop gambling hard to try to impress WOV and VCT. I went from playing literally ONE penny a spin on slots to playing $50 Roulette spins. That's a 5,000 times bet!

Until you say you learned your lesson and won’t set foot in a casino again or buy another lottery ticket, you learned NOTHING. That’s just simple facts.

[MDawg]

Well, the nature of addiction is to think that it may be controlled. But complete abstinence is the proven best route.

Just look at Wolf, he keeps talking about how he frequently goes on the wagon and hasn't had too much to drink (lately) as proof that he is not an alcoholic. But someone who doesn't have a problem doesn't need to think about controlling it or cutting back.

Functioning isn't proof that one is not an addict either, and in Tasha's case, ending up in these dire financial straits is in any case not evidence of functioning.

[MisterV]

A girl has to do what a girl has to do to keep gambling.

In her case gambling is an escape from what I assume is a rather drab, poor existence: there's a lot of poverty in America and we get to see it "in action."

While it is somewhat fascinating to watch her make one stupid move after another in the end it becomes SS, DD ("same shit, different day"), i.e. only schadenfreude keeps me interested.

Karen, your shtick is getting stale.

The question is "How will this end?"

With a bang, or a whimper?

Stay tuned for the next installment of Karen's masterpiece, he Magnum Opus: "Miasma in Miami."

[The Boz]

Another one bites the dust.

Long time quality member mcallistar3200 left the forum this week by announcing it.

And of course the creepy Wizard puts him in his “Hall of Shame” list for his amusement.

Where’s Freddy to give his take?

[MDawg]

I did say a bit ago that Mac and Cheese Allister, HunterHill and Heatmap seem like the same person so it makes perfect sense that one might hang his hat up if one of the other Hydra heads were cut off.

As Wizard likes to say, Don’t let the door hit you on the way out.

But will Mac and Cheese wind up like UNKewlJ and come back after vowing to be done with it? We have another wishy washy simp in T.Pined who has declared before that he “won’t be posting much at WOV any longer” only to return like Batman with a manic vengeance. T.Pined also declared he would no longer post at GF and returned - promptly.

The respect I have for MaxPen is he not only left but never made any show of leaving. Put perennially soft whining ever indecisive UNKewlJ tunnel dwells at the polar opposite of that.

There is a pattern in wishy washy ness in UNKewlJ and anyone who has a positive word to say about him. V, too, in vowing that he’d hold it against the UNKewl one for lying to his face, then turning around (promptly) to take more up the ass anyway.

[Keystone]

I did say a bit ago that Mac and Cheese Allister, HunterHill and Heatmap seem like the same person so it makes perfect sense that one might hang his hat up if one of the other Hydra heads were cut off.

As Wizard likes to say, Don’t let the door hit you on the way out.

But will Mac and Cheese wind up like UNKewlJ and come back after vowing to be done with it? We have another wishy washy simp in T.Pined who has declared before that he “won’t be posting much at WOV any longer” only to return like Batman with a manic vengeance. T.Pined also declared he would no longer post at GF and returned - promptly.

The respect I have for MaxPen is he not only left but never made any show of leaving. Put perennially soft whining ever indecisive UNKewlJ at the polar opposite of that.

There is a pattern in wishy washy ness in UNKewlJ and anyone who has a positive word to say about him. V, too, in vowing that he’d hold it against the UNKewl one for lying to his face, then turning around (promptly) to take more up the ass anyway.

I’m sure the respect from a lying, degenerate, smelly weirdo is a life goal of his

[AxelWolf]

Another one bites the dust.

Long time quality member mcallistar3200 left the forum this week by announcing it.

And of course the creepy Wizard puts him in his “Hall of Shame” list for his amusement.

Where’s Freddy to give his take?

He is legit, I have even played some of the same plays he has.

[MisterV]

There is a pattern in wishy washy ness in UNKewlJ and anyone who has a positive word to say about him. V, too, in vowing that he’d hold it against the UNKewl one for lying to his face, then turning around (promptly) to take more up the ass anyway.

Nothing "wishy-washy" about it.

Just as friends have arguments or say stupid shit to or about one another on occasion, so it can happen on these forums.

I have considered his slight and have chosen to overlook and forgive, all in service of our joint efforts to sink your shit scow.

"The enemy of my enemy is my friend:" while you aren't my true enemy (none of this forum drama is "real," as you are well aware) you are "on the other team" in these forum games and as such are a valid target.

Per Fleetwood Mac: "Then Play On."

[terapinedtheskeptic]

There is a pattern in wishy washy ness in UNKewlJ and anyone who has a positive word to say about him. V, too, in vowing that he’d hold it against the UNKewl one for lying to his face, then turning around (promptly) to take more up the ass anyway.

Nothing "wishy-washy" about it.

Just as friends have arguments or say stupid shit to or about one another on occasion, so it can happen on these forums.

I have considered his slight and have chosen to overlook and forgive, all in service of our joint efforts to sink your shit scow.

"The enemy of my enemy is my friend:" while you aren't my true enemy (none of this forum drama is "real," as you are well aware) you are "on the other team" in these forum games and as such are a valid target.

Per Fleetwood Mac: "Then Play On."

Mdawg translation
He's looking for anti kewlj recruits
"Daddy" Belly ain't cutting it with his lame weak sauce lately

[kewlJ]

There is a pattern in wishy washy ness in UNKewlJ and anyone who has a positive word to say about him. V, too, in vowing that he’d hold it against the UNKewl one for lying to his face, then turning around (promptly) to take more up the ass anyway.

Nothing "wishy-washy" about it.

Just as friends have arguments or say stupid shit to or about one another on occasion, so it can happen on these forums.

I have considered his slight and have chosen to overlook and forgive, all in service of our joint efforts to sink your shit scow.

"The enemy of my enemy is my friend:" while you aren't my true enemy (none of this forum drama is "real," as you are well aware) you are "on the other team" in these forum games and as such are a valid target.

Per Fleetwood Mac: "Then Play On."

Mdawg translation
He's looking for anti kewlj recruits

I do bear the brunt of Mdawgs hate and attacks, but as you have seen recently, he will attack and lie about anyone and everyone who has ever publicly doubted his claims. Known AP's like Axelwolf. Non AP's like yourself and MrV. If you dare say you don't believe his claims and story, he will attack you and lie about you, call you an drug addict as he does MrV. Anything and everything he can think of to try to discredit you. As if THAT somehow makes his ridiculous claims and more likely or any more believable to anyone with half a brain.

THAT friends is the Mdawg playbook. And it was the Singer playbook before that. And it is not all that different from the Trump playbook.

[Tasha]

Does anybody remember exactly why Juicy Jennie got banned from WOV? She was a Member on WOV before I even knew what WOV was. IIRC, she borrowed money from WOV Members/Admins and ran off with the money, straight up STEALING it, so she got permanently banned. I remember her it being said that she called Casino chips chippies. Does anyone remember exactly what happened with the Juicy Jennie incident? I asked on WOV and got no answers, so I figured I would try here.

[MDawg]

Over at WOV, PGrinder.



Cover your eyes, here he comes.



Yes, I do have a problem with people who can't control or manage themselves, such as PGrinder and UNKewlJ.

[Keystone]

Over at WOV, PGrinder.



Cover your eyes, here he comes.



Yes, I do have a problem with people who can't control or manage themselves, such as PGrinder and UNKewlJ.

Most people have a problem with lying loudmouths that don’t bathe