VINDICATION for KJ

[kewlJ]

Was KJ a known forum user then? Did people in real life know him by his handle? Why have none of them ever come forward in 20 years or whatever it is (with the possible exception of this guy)?

I still don't know who HH is. Probably couldn't pick him out of a line up of 3, unless his face suddenly invoked memory of a previous meeting. But based in information I have learned today, we probably have a mutual friend/acquaintance. That is likely the answer to your question.

I don't think the guy should be questioned like he is on trial for simply saying he met or knew me 16-17 years ago. But if you do, then I guess you should ask him.

[MDawg]

All this incident proved is that once again UNKewlJ lies at will but as badly as ever.

His credibility was actually better if that’s possible before this latest UNKewl fiasco.

[kewlJ]

Denialism runs deep here.

[MisterV]

Denialism runs deep here.

"Deny, deflect, dismiss..." his playbook.

[MDawg]

Sorry, don't have time to read through all this crap

Finkle this is the quintessential post of the thread where UNKewlJ's nonsense as usual came crashing around him:

https://vegascasinotalk.com/forum/sh...l=1#post185919

and this post reiterates the same:

https://vegascasinotalk.com/forum/sh...l=1#post185957

Read those two posts, you'll get it. The "it" being that UNKewlJ just got caught lying again. Beyond that, just repeated UNKewl burning rubber.

[MDawg]

Probably couldn't pick him out of a line up of 3.

On the other hand...

There's no doubt I have the right guy. Like I said, "I can pick you out of a police line up"

[MDawg]

Tbh given what a confirmed liar KJ is and his inability to state that he knows who this person is, even though he claims to have met KJ and seen him several times subsequently in LV (if I have that correctly), I don't think the story is true.

Whether HH actually believes it I have no idea.

Btw how would this guy even know he had met KJ? I don't claim it's impossible but it's unclear.

I have met or heard or read anecdotes about numerous online poker players that I knew from online without knowing they were the same person. Someone has to tell you "By the way that's XYZ on PokerStars" or you won't know.

Was KJ a known forum user then? Did people in real life know him by his handle? Why have none of them ever come forward in 20 years or whatever it is (with the possible exception of this guy)?

the H.Hill guy claimed that UNKewlJ was a member of a hole carding team in Atlantic City before UNKewlJ even moved to Vegas.

But UNKewlJ's repeated posts at this forum over the years stated that his sole hole carding experience was on his own, never on a team, only after he moved to Vegas, and only playing for a single summer.

They should have met and conferred before tossing the nonsense out there. Not only do their stories not match, but neither do their timelines.


To try to clean all this up, UNKewlJ came yesterday with his usual "I lied to protect myself" nonsense, and then with some different lie today.

Which is why I say that all this did is shoot down UNKewlJ's credibility further.

The UNKewl one was a liar, and like most liars, he was constantly changing his stories, altering time and personnel from one telling to the next. One time he would tell a story about someone, next time he would switch the story around to give himself the lead. He would sit in the casino coffee shop over coffee and pound cake, talking at random about his experiences, posting constantly on internet forums, plotting ways to take down all those he is envious of, never actually entering the casino, afraid like a nervous poodle to even play.

[kewlJ]

What is this fool talking about in post after post like a crazy person?

I moved to Las Vegas in Nov 2009. The guy claiming he met me in AC would have occurred in 2008. That was the year I did a bit of the activity, HCing mentioned. So, I don't know what the fuck Mdawg is referencing about 2012.

Doesn't even matter. Mdawg simply doesn't get that I have shared ONLY what I want to share. Same as other APs. We don't know everything mickeycrimm has ever done as an AP. We don't know everything Axelwolf has ever done as an AP. We know what they share and want us to know. We don't know anything that some of the other AP's have done as they share nothing. I share what I have wanted to share and it has mostly been some of my blackjack card counting journey.

I specifically wanted to share the card counting portion of what I have done as an AP. So I haven't talked much or in some cases at all of some of the other things I have done. And I certainly haven't talked about activities that involved other APs.

I am tired of wasting time with this nut job. And that is exactly what he is. He is completely obsessed with something he knows nothing about. And he proves he knows nothing about advantage play, or beating casinos (+EV play) almost everyday. What he knows is telling a story that just doesn't make sense, mathematically, nor the way Las Vegas and the casino industry actually works. And then trolling any real players that tell him that. He is a guy that gambles, loses (more than he wins) and gets comped. That is all he is. Nothing special. he is not the "Pope of Las Vegas" and he is not rainman.

Mdawg seriously, I am done wasting time with you and your trolling. I am sorry (not really) that myself and other real players calling out your bullshit, ruined whatever story you are trying to write or tell. THAT is your problem not mine. But I am tired of dealing with your fucking lunacy.

[MDawg]

It just comes down to that he just can't keep his mouth shut. The more he talks, the more he ends up in contradictory lies. He is incapable of telling the truth, his natural and immediate reaction is always...to lie.

And when he can't think of a decent lie ("obviously of limited intelligence" as many here have said), he just comes with the standard nonsensical, "I make things up regularly to protect myself."

Anyway, I've nailed the coffin shut on this one. To spend more time on it will no doubt result in finding more holes in the story, but, as we know,

Anything requiring research with FraudJ is a complete waste of time.

[MDawg]

Mdawg seriously, I am done wasting time with you.

Another lie.

[MisterV]

You're not "wasting time," KJ: feral dawgs NEED to be put down, and you've repeatedly knocked this tick-infested hound into the dirt.

*golf clap*

[MDawg]

Sound familiar?

Then, when the forum userbase turns out to be smarter than he expected and disproves some of his stories, we get the mea culpa that he wasn't telling the truth all along.

by this point especially after the HunterHill fiasco, no one with any brains believes anything UNKewlJ has to say.

[kewlJ]

I want to recap something here and this is in not going back on my vow not to waste any more time on Mdawg, because this involves many of the other AP and members here as well.

I am a solo card counter (not exclusively) advantage player. From the time I moved to Las Vegas 15 years ago, I have remained "private", not wanting to inter-mingle too much with other AP's of which Vegas has a whole group of. A couple times I considered it, but each time, decided against it. I know this has rubbed some of the APs the wrong way because they have said or indicated it. I am not sure why.

There is a reason for AP's to meet and socialize (I guess) if they are working together. Absent, that, let me go back to I came to Vegas to be a solo type player. Additionally, I see the results of APs getting together. Monet has completely trashed Axelwolf for years, revealing things about their meeting that had no business being revealed. He has posted physical descriptions of Axelwolf and posted what area he lives in. This all borders on doxing to me. Revealing information about an advantage player that he has not revealed himself. Monet later made reference to Zenking being Jewish. Again, borders on doxing to me. He reavealed information that could contribute to casinos and database identifying an AP.

15 years ago when I first joined Stanford Wong's forum BJ21, one of the older guys warned me not to trust other APs. He said "they will stab you in the back every chance they get" And I have seen this first hand now.

So a lot of members of this forum, trolls/haters and some APs have given me shit because I don't meet with or know other APs except in a few very selective cases. There have been many comments like "no one knows you", "no one can vouch for you". I have said nothing.

Well now someone has stepped forward claiming to have met and known me. It was 15 years ago in Atlantic City, and who he was is still coming into focus for me. Hunterhill is a longterm AP and member of WOV since 2011. Before I ever joined. I have been told privately who he is, who he has worked with and teamed with and it is impressive. So AP's, at least some in his circle know him and who he is, (better than I do).

And he is not the first. There was a well known AP that has run a top blackjack team for decades that a few years back posted at WoV that he came to Vegas looking for me, found me and watched me play. It was 10-12 years ago that he came to Vegas looking for me, but only 4-5 years ago that he posted the story at WoV.

So to those that have said "No one knows him". You now have that. And it seems you won't accept that either. (at least some of you). You can't have it both ways.

Nothing has changed for me. I am still a solo type advantage player playing Vegas and as such I don't intend to meet and socialize with other AP's just to have a beer and have them stab me in the back a short while later. Maybe some day, but not while I am an active player. I will continue to play solo and team occasionally with my very exclusive inner circle of my brother and one close AP friend.

I just wanted to point out that the criticism I have endured for several years now of "no one knows me", went out the window with HunterHill's revelation (which I didn't ask for and would have just as left him not say). The very thing you criticized me for happened and yet comments yesterday show that STILL doesn't satisfy some of you.

I do appreciate some of you as online friends, and even occasionally privately sharing something beneficial, but until my days working this town are done, I see no reason to join the AP socializing club. Risk/reward analysis: Too much Risk.

That is all. I have said my piece.

[coach belly]

The very thing you criticized me for happened

Are you now confirming that HH met you?

Is that today's story?

Because last night you wrote this...

I still don't know who HH is.

[terapinedtheskeptic]

The very thing you criticized me for happened

Are you now confirming that HH met you?

Is that today's story?

Because last night you wrote this...

I still don't know who HH is.

Yawn
I'm an honest straight shooter
I just tell it like it is with no insults or lying about who is gay
I didn't remember losing a bet to Boz
Then I sat back and thought about it
I finally remembered
That bet was way way before HH
Mdawg straight up lied about me.
If you are concerned with liars, Mdawg is an absolute 2 faced bald faced liar
How about going back to defending the decorum of this cesspool

[kewlJ]

The very thing you criticized me for happened

Are you now confirming that HH met you?

Is that today's story?

Because last night you wrote this...

I still don't know who HH is.

I can't say that I remember a "meeting" or introduction, or someone sticking out a hand and saying "Hi I am HunterHill" (or any other name). I don't recall THAT happening. But I did work with some other APs during the time frame mentioned and met (for lack of a better word) and knew some. Was he involved in that group/team in some way? I don't know. Was he involved with another group/team working the same area at the same time. I don't know. (probably a better possibility from what I now know)

But I don't think he pulled my involvement with that group at that exact time, out of thin air.

[smurgerburger]

Lol @

"Well now someone has stepped forward claiming to have met and known me. It was 15 years ago in Atlantic City, and who he was is still coming into focus for me."

This is the cliched language screenwriters use to describe repressed memories or the recovery of amnesiacs.

You either recognize someone or you don't. It is not an ongoing days long process of "coming into focus".

What is such a process is crafting a story that you hope doesn't involve too many contradictions and doesn't involve commiting yourself to any detail that HH can later refute (when he figures out he has misidentified you, I suspect).

And of course this is all coming after the point had been raised that it seemed odd you should have no idea who he is while he claims to have actually met you and seen you subsequently several times.

It's fine though, you'll always have V.

[coach belly]

Mdawg straight up lied about me.

What lie did he tell about you?

[coach belly]

I can't say that I remember a "meeting"

Did the meeting happen or not?

[coach belly]

I'm an honest straight shooter
I didn't remember losing a bet to Boz

When did you forget about the bet? Immediately after the bet was lost?