[QUOTE=mickeycrimm;187160]I was able to cull out Druffs money line picks for the 2023 season. He went 3-8. He took the dog on every bet.Originally Posted by AxelWolf;187154 Wow, that sounds like lots of work. Does that 50% include +and - money lines? If so, is he in the red or black? Obviously, if you are winning 50% and a majority of your picks are bet on +money you should be doing well.[/QUOTE
That would mean he went 22-17 betting the spread.
Challenge to redietz. We bet every NFL regular season game. You make the picks. If you lay the fav I get 2 extra points. If you take the dog I get a 2 point discount. Easy pickings for you.
I culled out the money line bets. He went 3-7 taking all but one dog. That’s means he was 14-10 thru nov 18 on spread bets.Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
Challenge to redietz. We bet every NFL regular season game. You make the picks. If you lay the fav I get 2 extra points. If you take the dog I get a 2 point discount. Easy pickings for you.
Druff was actually 54-32 in 2022 if you include the Super Bowl. He made 26 money line bets on dogs going 11-15. That means his spread bets went 43-17.Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
Challenge to redietz. We bet every NFL regular season game. You make the picks. If you lay the fav I get 2 extra points. If you take the dog I get a 2 point discount. Easy pickings for you.
So from the 2022 season thru 11-18-2024 Druff went 79-44 on his bets against the spread. He went 17-30 on his money line bets. It looks like he came in around even on the money line bets but crushed it on the spread bets.
Challenge to redietz. We bet every NFL regular season game. You make the picks. If you lay the fav I get 2 extra points. If you take the dog I get a 2 point discount. Easy pickings for you.
It is good to see some handicappers listing their picks to extent it can actually be vvalidated. Thanks for the work, Mickey.
The problem here is that presumably even if druff originated his picks - there is likely an overlap with other sharp bets. From my understanding betting only these might lead to limiting? I wouldn't mind funding an account and following them .. even if limited who cares? The question is whether the counter party risks outweigh druffs value. These are the sort of questions answered by EV though which means redietz won't weigh in with his hocus-pocus
If you had any idea how juvenile what you just wrote actually was -- LOL -- you'd stay anonymous. Have you ever actually had a conversation with anyone who wagers serious money on sports in Las Vegas or offshore?Originally Posted by accountinquestion
Do you have any blessed idea how truly insipid what you just typed and posted is? I suppose not.
Yeah, EV will answer these. Good Lord. This is one of those moments when, as I've said about other stuff, you halfway think somebody has some idea what they are talking about, and then they say something in your wheelhouse and it forces you to realize that the only reason they seem knowledgeable in those other subjects is because you are not.
Account, I appreciate your forthrightness. I don't feel motivated to comment, correct, or even LOL anything you say going forward. Saves me some grief.
Jesus, some of you are truly in love with yourselves while managing complete self-blindness. If it wasn't so frightening, it'd be funny. "APs." Jiminy Crickets.
The last SuperBowl party I went to was well over 10 years ago and the dudes at the party covered a third of what LV lost on the superbowl. Granted it is going off my memory but I believe this to be roughly true and not an exaggeration in any way. I didn't bet much but I drank too much.Originally Posted by redietzIf you had any idea how juvenile what you just wrote actually was -- LOL -- you'd stay anonymous. Have you ever actually had a conversation with anyone who wagers serious money on sports in Las Vegas or offshore?Originally Posted by accountinquestion
Do you have any blessed idea how truly insipid what you just typed and posted is? I suppose not.
Yeah, EV will answer these. Good Lord. This is one of those moments when, as I've said about other stuff, you halfway think somebody has some idea what they are talking about, and then they say something in your wheelhouse and it forces you to realize that the only reason they seem knowledgeable in those other subjects is because you are not.
Account, I appreciate your forthrightness. I don't feel motivated to comment, correct, or even LOL anything you say going forward. Saves me some grief.
Jesus, some of you are truly in love with yourselves while managing complete self-blindness. If it wasn't so frightening, it'd be funny. "APs." Jiminy Crickets.
Anyway lol redietz I still stand 100% behind what I said. Of course you won't engage because you'd be defending wrong opinions. A difficult thing to do and you're not going to look any better in the process. You're doing the second sharpest thing outside of never responding period. LOL
Thank you for not adding hocus btw
Kewl, have at em!
I don't think that 123 wager is the significant sampled size, hey hey.Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
Druff got limited by 90% on Betanysports after an 18-2 run to start the 2022 season.Originally Posted by accountinquestion
Challenge to redietz. We bet every NFL regular season game. You make the picks. If you lay the fav I get 2 extra points. If you take the dog I get a 2 point discount. Easy pickings for you.
I cannot imagine what would lead me to being a professional sports better but it could be interesting to put a couple of 1000 in an account and sweat druffs pics. Social media has screwed that game. Hammering it into people how to be sharp. Even I'd you bet a lot of 0 ev bets your closing value is going to work its way to the top. I just don't see it worth it unless you purely enjoy it. After you factor in chances of being stiffed I can't imagine the endeavor having a positive expectation.Originally Posted by mickeycrimmDruff got limited by 90% on Betanysports after an 18-2 run to start the 2022 season.Originally Posted by accountinquestion
Does Druff consider himself a professional sports better? That is a sincere question. I don't know. He still plays poker at least in the big tournament every year. I don't know how often he cashes, especially with the buying pieces of one another that goes on now. He also seems to post about video poker periodically. I just assume whatever he is playing with that is at an advantage. Maybe not. I don't know.
What else does or might he do outside of gambling. I don't know that either.
But I am not under the impression that whatever sports betting he is doing is anything more than supplemental at best. And there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. That is exactly what I have done for the past couple years, supplemental sport betting. Just so happens this year will be the most of my several streams of AP income. Next year maybe not.
I would like to know more about what Druff does. I guess mickey is the guy to ask. He seems to know a lot about Druff.
Dan Druff: "there's no question that MDawg has been an obnoxious braggart, and has rubbed a ton of people the wrong way. There's something missing from his stories. Either they're fabricated, grossly exaggerated, or largely incomplete".
Is this the kind of talking to you gave your clients who obviously didn’t know Jack shit or they wouldn’t need you? Or did you keep your nose slammed up theirs asses to keep their business?Originally Posted by redietz
Challenge to redietz. We bet every NFL regular season game. You make the picks. If you lay the fav I get 2 extra points. If you take the dog I get a 2 point discount. Easy pickings for you.
Don’t know much about Druff. Don’t know if he started with nothing and built a huge roll, probably 7 figures. Or if he inherited a huge roll. Or if he made it in the private sector then moved to gambling.Originally Posted by kewlJ
But he is doing what redietz says can’t be done, successfully working multiple venues in gambling. Poker, sportsbetting, video poker. The Ditz mockingly refers to those of us who work multiple venues Leonardo Da AP’s. lol.
He is certain it can be done.
“It’s not what you don’t know that gets you in trouble. It’s what you know for sure that just ain’t so, that gets you in trouble.” Mark Twain
Challenge to redietz. We bet every NFL regular season game. You make the picks. If you lay the fav I get 2 extra points. If you take the dog I get a 2 point discount. Easy pickings for you.
Our boy misses the point, as per usual.Originally Posted by mickeycrimmDon’t know much about Druff. Don’t know if he started with nothing and built a huge roll, probably 7 figures. Or if he inherited a huge roll. Or if he made it in the private sector then moved to gambling.Originally Posted by kewlJ
But he is doing what redietz says can’t be done, successfully working multiple venues in gambling. Poker, sportsbetting, video poker. The Ditz mockingly refers to those of us who work multiple venues Leonardo Da AP’s. lol.
He is certain it can be done.
“It’s not what you don’t know that gets you in trouble. It’s what you know for sure that just ain’t so, that gets you in trouble.” Mark Twain
It's not that you can't win at multiple endeavors.
It's the arrogance of the "APs," who are essentially civilians, thinking they are on some kind of par with actual handicappers. Every single thing mickey does vis-a-vis sports, I can do and have done. The key point is what exactly do "APs" think they can do sports betting that handicappers cannot? That's the ridiculous arrogance that permeates mickey's mindset -- that somehow he is on a level or above people who really know what they are doing. The bottom line is they can do everything he does PLUS bring to bear expertise. That expertise is not exactly an anchor weighing them down.
Also, the scale of "APing" is, and always has been with the exception of the occasional Phil Ivey and such, relatively pitiful compared to the consistent amounts of money involved with sports betting. So for the "APs" to consider themselves on some kind of financial par with the highest level sports bettors is, again, incredibly arrogant.
Leonardo Da APs.
The arrogance is all yours Red. It really is. Show me where any AP, well rounded Ap that does several different AP activities and has several different streams of AP income, that has ventured into sports has EVER (<- I am not allowed to Bold by Mcap decree) said they are better or on par with any sports handicapper that does exclusively that?
It is all in your mind. You have this paranoia, which leads to your arrogance, that AP's (doing a variety of things) are moving into your territory....and HOW DARE THEY!
Get over it. If you have really done what you claim for decades, even at a modest amount of money, nothing any AP does as part of his well rounded AP repertoire is a threat to you or your legacy, whatever you think that is.
Dan Druff: "there's no question that MDawg has been an obnoxious braggart, and has rubbed a ton of people the wrong way. There's something missing from his stories. Either they're fabricated, grossly exaggerated, or largely incomplete".
LOL. I saw this coming for years. it's not the "APs" shifting to sports betting that's an issue. It's their Johhny Come Lately Look At Us We know What We're Doing....when you really do not.
Those books you hit up for bonuses -- kewlj, I had accounts there for many years, doing what you are doing, plus knowing what I'm doing. So now someone like you comes along, thinking you're fucking Magellan. It's comical.
What exactly do you think you can do that I don't do? And that I haven't done for decades?
Ask Dan. He tried to open an account at Heritage and was rebuffed. I have had an account there for many years. Do you know why I was allowed to have an account (past tense -- they are more public now; Dan could have an account)?
Hint: It's not because I lose money. It's because people want access to expertise and the opinions of that expertise.
You guys are like children. You think some freshman probability math and juggling multiple accounts makes you on a level with expert handicappers. It's comical.
Do you have any idea how much money and expertise has been brought to bear to conquer individual sports? How many programmers? How many programs running 24/7 for years to cull the information? Organize it. Search for correlations and weaknesses?
And you think some math lesson from Wizard of Odds is going to conquer sports betting? Not just one specific sport, mind you, but all sports betting? The naivete is unbelievable. On par with the arrogance.
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This is your arrogance on FULL display Red. Where did I EVER say I was doing anything others can't? Where did I EVER say I was doing something YOU hadn't?Originally Posted by redietzThis paranoia is all in your mind.
As a matter of fact, when I started doing some sports betting/bonus stuff at an advantage, I specifically spelled out that I was doing small scale (4 books), as a supplemental to my regular AP play. Just so happens this year, it will be the biggest amount of my AP income streams. But I still expect that in future years, for however long I am able to do so, it will be a supplemental role to my AP income.
I really don't know what you are so bent out of shape about?
It would be like when Zenking announced on a forum (WoV), that he was coming to Las Vegas to count cards, if I flew off the handle thinking that is my turf....how dare he!
You know what I did instead? I contacted him privately and gave him tips, including a list of casinos that I play that I thought he would be able to play without much heat, and a list of casinos on the strip to stay away from. Of course he ignored my suggestions and went right for the casinos I said to avoid, but that is another matter.
I had zero resentment of someone coming to try to do what I do. I don't know what the fuck your problem is. You don't own sports betting/handicapping.
Dan Druff: "there's no question that MDawg has been an obnoxious braggart, and has rubbed a ton of people the wrong way. There's something missing from his stories. Either they're fabricated, grossly exaggerated, or largely incomplete".
I don't know why on earth someone who won some contests 30 years ago (supposedly) thinks they're some world-class expert. No one else is a handicapper to even compare themselves. Once you leave the realm of football your knowledge falls off a cliff. You've gotten better as if you've learned from twitter from what I've see n past couple a years. Years ago you appeared to have been living under a bridge. Amongst many things, you seemed to think it was hard to be limited. You mocked those who claimed otherwise - claiming it was an absurdity the books were "scared". You were so goofy.
Now you seem to have learned and now you just rail on the concept of APs. I can just imagine you shadow boxing the lamppost shadows every night listening to Eye of the Tiger in your $10 corded earphones.
Take this "AP"ollo Creed !!!
Let's just flip ditz' statement around.Originally Posted by redietz
"It's the arrogance of the "handicappers" who are essentially civilians, thinking they are on some kind of par with actual MACHINE PROS. Every single thing REDIETZ does vis-a-vis MACHINES, I can do and have done. The key point is what exactly do "HANDICAPPERS" think they can do ON MACHINES that MACHINE PROS cannot? That's the ridiculous arrogance that permeates REDIETZ' mindset -- that somehow he is on a level or above people who really know what they are doing. The bottom line is they can do everything he does PLUS bring to bear expertise. That expertise is not exactly an anchor weighing them down."
You see how silly that is? Redietz must stay up all night thinking up these false narratives:
That I bet sports. (I don't bet sports)
That I said I can bet sports on par with sports handicappers? (where does he come up with this shit?)
The Ditz has gone full strawman. False narratives galore. Just makes the shit up as he goes. Talk about paranoid. This guy is more insecure than the cowardly lion.
Challenge to redietz. We bet every NFL regular season game. You make the picks. If you lay the fav I get 2 extra points. If you take the dog I get a 2 point discount. Easy pickings for you.
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