Professional Sportsbetting

[kewlJ]

Years ago when I started on the blackjack forums, players tended to discuss the results in terms of units. That just didn't work for a variety of reasons. So I started discussing my results, both session and yearly, in dollars. It was the only way to really know just what people were talking about

And I see some of the same kind of guessing about numbers here. So, I am going to ask a question, I probably won't get an answer to. Redietz, for your 40-45 years you say you were a professional sports bettor, what kind of money did you make a year? (Average)

[smurgerburger]

It's not about how much money you make, but the friends you make along the way.

Did you know one of redietz friends got 2nd place in the under 12 years old division of the Minnewaska Township Annual Spelling Bee in 1972?

[kewlJ]

It's not about how much money you make, but the friends you make along the way.

Did you know one of redietz friends got 2nd place in the under 12 years old division of the Minnewaska Township Annual Spelling Bee in 1972?

Of course I knew that. I read it in the 1972 McCusker report.

[coach belly]

its simple, re-ask one at a time.

Have you turned others onto AP plays, where they use their own money, and cut you in on the profits?

Have you given others your money to use on AP plays, and cut them in on the profits?

Have you given others your money to use on AP plays, and paid them even if they did not profit?

[coach belly]

I am going to ask a question, I probably won't get an answer to.

What will your reaction be if he ignores your question, or answers "none of your business" or "I'll prove my earnings to you for a fee" ?

[coach belly]

Coach, besides the Anthony Curtis questions axel also issued a challenge. Don’t hold your breath for redietz to get back to him on that one.

I won't hold my breath, because this was posted...

This is the last time I address you, Axel.

Before Axel posted these...

Post up or send me a PM

how about a contest of some sort?

[AxelWolf]

I won't hold my breath, because this was posted...



Before Axel posted these...

Post up or send me a PM

how about a contest of some sort?

Yes, of course. He has done this before. Obviously because I ask some tough questions and he knows I know enough about the scammy side of sports recruiting/touting(for lack of better terms). And he knows I can call his bluffs. He avoided responding to me before when I offered to call Anthony.

[AxelWolf]

its simple, re-ask one at a time.

Have you turned others onto AP plays, where they use their own money, and cut you in on the profits?

Have you given others your money to use on AP plays, and cut them in on the profits?

Have you given others your money to use on AP plays, and paid them even if they did not profit?

I have avoided/ducked those questions on the past? Please link me to the original post. I'm sure I have touched on this subject before. We can get into the the yes or no and details but first link me to the post where I ducked those questions.

[AxelWolf]

It's not about how much money you make, but the friends you make along the way.

Did you know one of redietz friends got 2nd place in the under 12 years old division of the Minnewaska Township Annual Spelling Bee in 1972?

Of course I knew that. I read it in the 1972 McCusker report.

I won the very first football contest I ever participated in. There were thousands of entries and I was only in my 20s. Then I took second place on the very next one(I was edged out because a mistake on the tie breaker I picked correctly but was added wrong) 10k and 5k was the prize money.

[coach belly]

Please link me to the original post.

Why do you use a team for your plays?

Isn't it because you are individually limited as to how much action you can get down?

You get 100% of the profits on your action, plus a percentage of your "employees" action...the action they run through based on the information you gave them.

Isn't that how your teams work?

[AxelWolf]

I answered why having a team is beneficial to me #2855. As I said there's a big difference between an all-around AP vs. a specialized sports AP.

When you have employees you are the one putting up the money and you are making a majority of the profits. A tout/investment recruiter with integrity should be passing on most of the profits to his investors.

There are so many different roles an employee can take so there is no simple answer. Employees can be used to simply speed up the process and improve your hourly. For example, there might be a multi-bank of machines with a super high progressive. It's best to be able to lock up those machines so you are assured to capture all the value(such as the meter movement). Let's say there are 4 machines and the total value is 100k over a 40 hours cycle. If you only have 3 of those machines and an outsider has one, you give up 25k in value. If I can pay someone a fraction of that 25k it's more than worthwhile since they are the ones putting in the time. But let's say I decided I wanted to take on investors give them a majority the profits and put the time in myself. That would be a terrible deal for me since I would be putting in the same amount of time and making a fraction of the value.

[coach belly]

there is no simple answer.

There was no need to offer explanations of why a team is beneficial under circumstances not included in my questions. But that's what you did, and in the process you ducked the questions.

I've added yes or no questions, rephrasing to simplify the earlier questions that you didn't seem to understand, or didn't want to give a straight-forward answer to.

I'm now sure that you understand the questions, and the answers are simple...yes or no.

I'll try again...

Have you turned others onto AP plays, where they use their own money, and cut you in on the profits?

Have you turned others onto AP plays, where they use their own money, and pay you, even if they lost money on the play you gave them?

Have you given others your money to use on AP plays, and cut them in on the profits?

Have you given others your money to use on AP plays, and paid them even if their individual play did not profit?

[mickeycrimm]

I won't hold my breath, because this was posted...



Before Axel posted these...

Post up or send me a PM

how about a contest of some sort?

It’s not the first time redietz said it would be the last time he addresses axel. Axel knows enough about the subject that redietz can’t bamboozle him. It pisses redietz off to no end.

[mickeycrimm]

Please link me to the original post.

Why do you use a team for your plays?

Isn't it because you are individually limited as to how much action you can get down?

You get 100% of the profits on your action, plus a percentage of your "employees" action...the action they run through based on the information you gave them.

Isn't that how your teams work?

In most cases there was an owner of the team that bankrolled the entire operation. Team members were just employee’s working for an hourly wage plus maybe a bonus. That’s how all the old video poker teams worked. I was offered jobs but always refused.

[redietz]

I won't hold my breath, because this was posted...



Before Axel posted these...

how about a contest of some sort?

It’s not the first time redietz said it would be the last time he addresses axel. Axel knows enough about the subject that redietz can’t bamboozle him. It pisses redietz off to no end.

For the record, Axel is welcome on any program on which I appear so he can debunk me. Same with Mr. Crimm.

Don't disappoint me, Mr. Crimm.

[mickeycrimm]

its simple, re-ask one at a time.

Have you turned others onto AP plays, where they use their own money, and cut you in on the profits?

Have you given others your money to use on AP plays, and cut them in on the profits?

Have you given others your money to use on AP plays, and paid them even if they did not profit?

Some of you may remember my arguments with a slot AP named Exoter on Gambling Forums about ten years ago. He used to brag it up about having people working for him. Eventually, he quit posting.

Subsequent to that I met other AP’s back in the Midwest that knew Exoter and told me what he was doing. Exoter was taking total greenhorns and signing them to a contract that he would teach them the plays then they had to go out on their own, play slots on their own money, and pay him half the win.

[mickeycrimm]

I won't hold my breath, because this was posted...



Before Axel posted these...

It’s not the first time redietz said it would be the last time he addresses axel. Axel knows enough about the subject that redietz can’t bamboozle him. It pisses redietz off to no end.

For the record, Axel is welcome on any program on which I appear so he can debunk me. Same with Mr. Crimm.

Don't disappoint me, Mr. Crimm.

For the record you’ve never appeared on a program and never will.

[mickeycrimm]

I won't hold my breath, because this was posted...



Before Axel posted these...

It’s not the first time redietz said it would be the last time he addresses axel. Axel knows enough about the subject that redietz can’t bamboozle him. It pisses redietz off to no end.

For the record, Axel is welcome on any program on which I appear so he can debunk me. Same with Mr. Crimm.

Don't disappoint me, Mr. Crimm.

I’m a well known slot AP. That’s what I talk about in the interviews. But you are welcome on the show to impress us with your slot AP knowledge.

[tableplay]

It's not about how much money you make, but the friends you make along the way.

Did you know one of redietz friends got 2nd place in the under 12 years old division of the Minnewaska Township Annual Spelling Bee in 1972?

According to his skeptical gambler blog, in the 1973 contest, his current girlfriend (11 years old at the time) performed poorly, consequently she was not able to close out 1st place after the third round, and had to settle for locking up 1st in the fourth round. The low turnout of only 5000 participants threw off her motivation according to the blog - hence the poor performance.

[AxelWolf]

The low turnout of only 5000 participants threw off her motivation according to the blog - hence the poor performance.

I HATE WHEN THAT HAPPENS!!!!!