Professional Sportsbetting

[coach belly]

Let me know how that works with sports according to what Red does, then we can discuss it.

If you don't know, then first you explain why you keep saying it's a lot of BS and work.

[coach belly]

Oh wait, Axelwolf didn't read that thing about four months.

C'mon man, it was 3 whole sentences. What do think he is...a bookworm?

[redietz]

When I do a google search,
I get nothing.

You must be quite the researcher. Has CSI given you a call?

I'm sorry. This is the kind of precision you get with VCT's crack advantage players.

I love when maroons say, "I did a google search." That's like saying, "I took a walk," and they expect people to think they're a top-notch marathoner.

Of course, the follow-up questions might be something like this:

1) How many pages of google did you search? Fifty? Two hundred? Or three? LOL.
2) How many hours did you search? Or should we count this in minutes? Seconds?
3) How many topics did you search?
4) How many names associated with the topic did you search, say Marc Lawrence or Playbook or Bally's College Contests and on and on and on.

I'm going to take a wild stab here. I don't think VCT is exactly brimming with people who did any graduate research. Or serious job research. Or really, any sustained, serious research.

Let me know when you want me to call Anthony Curtis(see my previous post regarding this)

Let me know when you want me to prove what I do know or dont know about sports betting (See my previous post).

All this back and forth means nothing. Show me the money, put your money where your mouth is. Show me you have the ability to make money gambling. I know I do, I know I can, let's put our skills to work and see who knows what, or who can make money via gambling.

Yeah, you're killing it, baby.

The difference between you and me is that I have a lifetime of third-party documented success at what I do.

You have google. LOL.

I'm sorry, man. My brother-in-law ran a chain of PI offices (he was the top PI in New Mexico) and much of his research involved online investigations. That "I searched google" is so lame that it's comical. My nephew is taking online forensics as his degree path at Bloomsburg. Again, that "I googled it" is so lame, it's disturbing.

Do you have any friggin' idea how much work is actually involved in researching something online?

[coach belly]

Yeah, you're killing it, baby.

I would say that he is about even, or maybe up or down a little.

I would say that you make $20K per week, but not every week.

[AxelWolf]

In his Integrity Sports ad redietz told prospective investors what they could expect to make on the season. I think it was around 15 or 20%, something like that.

And they had to deliver the money to him, not make the bets themselves. Redietz would never go for letting clients make their own bets unless they paid up front for each pick. What's to guarantee he gets paid if he relies on them paying up after a win? And they could give his picks away.

EXPECT to make 10-12 % on your INVESTMENT. You could lose it all.

A 100k investor should expect to make 10k to 20k according to him. What is Red's cut of that? 20%? That is a lot of work and BS for a few thousand per 100k investment.

If you say so.

That is, of course, in four months. Oh wait, Axelwolf didn't read that thing about four months. LOL. He tends to not read carefully. Makes me wonder about his math.

I wonder why he didn't figure that out. Is it the reading comprehension? Is it the nose-in-the-air of the dude who has such a palatial lifestyle after a lifetime of "APing?" Inquiring minds want to know.

I did read the 4 months thing. You are saying you can only make money for them 4 months out of the year. Locking up 100k for 4 months MIGHT make them 3k per month. LOL, I could make them 3k a month and I would put up all the money. Want to bet on it? Put your money where your mouth is.

[coach belly]

I could make them 3k a month and I would put up all the money.

Without compounding, that's an effective return of 36% per year.

You are the Orc of Oak Harbor. Buffet's best year was only 2/3 of that, with some losing years in the mix. Variance, I guess.

What a waste of time, work and BS that old man went through, when he could have just parked his billions with you and made some real money.

I'll bet, but the "them" has to be me.

I'll pay you 100% of the profits, but nothing if I lose.

Will that be Venmo, PayPal or Bitcoin?

Show me the money.

[accountinquestion]

When I do a google search,
I get nothing.

You must be quite the researcher. Has CSI given you a call?

I'm sorry. This is the kind of precision you get with VCT's crack advantage players.

I love when maroons say, "I did a google search." That's like saying, "I took a walk," and they expect people to think they're a top-notch marathoner.

Of course, the follow-up questions might be something like this:

1) How many pages of google did you search? Fifty? Two hundred? Or three? LOL.
2) How many hours did you search? Or should we count this in minutes? Seconds?
3) How many topics did you search?
4) How many names associated with the topic did you search, say Marc Lawrence or Playbook or Bally's College Contests and on and on and on.

I'm going to take a wild stab here. I don't think VCT is exactly brimming with people who did any graduate research. Or serious job research. Or really, any sustained, serious research.

Let me know when you want me to call Anthony Curtis(see my previous post regarding this)

Let me know when you want me to prove what I do know or dont know about sports betting (See my previous post).

All this back and forth means nothing. Show me the money, put your money where your mouth is. Show me you have the ability to make money gambling. I know I do, I know I can, let's put our skills to work and see who knows what, or who can make money via gambling.

Lol Goodluck. We've all tried this approach.

The best he has is to tell you to research stuff that doesn't exist.

Then ridicule you when you waste the time looking for it.

The above is the real redietz playbook.

[accountinquestion]

You must be quite the researcher. Has CSI given you a call?

I'm sorry. This is the kind of precision you get with VCT's crack advantage players.

I love when maroons say, "I did a google search." That's like saying, "I took a walk," and they expect people to think they're a top-notch marathoner.

Of course, the follow-up questions might be something like this:

1) How many pages of google did you search? Fifty? Two hundred? Or three? LOL.
2) How many hours did you search? Or should we count this in minutes? Seconds?
3) How many topics did you search?
4) How many names associated with the topic did you search, say Marc Lawrence or Playbook or Bally's College Contests and on and on and on.

I'm going to take a wild stab here. I don't think VCT is exactly brimming with people who did any graduate research. Or serious job research. Or really, any sustained, serious research.

Let me know when you want me to call Anthony Curtis(see my previous post regarding this)

Let me know when you want me to prove what I do know or dont know about sports betting (See my previous post).

All this back and forth means nothing. Show me the money, put your money where your mouth is. Show me you have the ability to make money gambling. I know I do, I know I can, let's put our skills to work and see who knows what, or who can make money via gambling.

Yeah, you're killing it, baby.

The difference between you and me is that I have a lifetime of third-party documented success at what I do.

You have google. LOL.

I'm sorry, man. My brother-in-law ran a chain of PI offices (he was the top PI in New Mexico) and much of his research involved online investigations. That "I searched google" is so lame that it's comical. My nephew is taking online forensics as his degree path at Bloomsburg. Again, that "I googled it" is so lame, it's disturbing.

Do you have any friggin' idea how much work is actually involved in researching something online?

And if we were to ask what would be the motivation to go beyond google you'll sit back and open that big box of Crickets.

[accountinquestion]

I could make them 3k a month and I would put up all the money.

Without compounding, that's an effective return of 36% per year.

You are the Orc of Oak Harbor. Buffet's best year was only 2/3 of that, with some losing years in the mix. Variance, I guess.

What a waste of time, work and BS that old man went through, when he could have just parked his billions with you and made some real money.

I'll bet, but the "them" has to be me.

I'll pay you 100% of the profits, but nothing if I lose.

Will that be Venmo, PayPal or Bitcoin?

Show me the money.

It is far far easier to get higher returns on smaller amounts of money. That should be very very obvious.....

[mickeycrimm]

In his Integrity Sports ad redietz told prospective investors what they could expect to make on the season. I think it was around 15 or 20%, something like that.

And they had to deliver the money to him, not make the bets themselves.

You're assuming that what was written on that site applied to every client.

It's likely that info only applied to prospective clients.

I recall him writing about giving clients plays on the phone, and they would bet on their own, with a local book or whatever.

Sometimes the client wouldn't pull the trigger.

Redietz has stated and shown that he doesn’t divulge his picks pre game. He would have the problems of a client passing the picks on to others which he will not get paid for….and line moves caused by the extra action.

[mickeycrimm]

In his Integrity Sports ad redietz told prospective investors what they could expect to make on the season. I think it was around 15 or 20%, something like that.

And they had to deliver the money to him, not make the bets themselves.

You're assuming that what was written on that site applied to every client.

It's likely that info only applied to prospective clients.

I recall him writing about giving clients plays on the phone, and they would bet on their own, with a local book or whatever.

Sometimes the client wouldn't pull the trigger.

No I didn’t assume anything. Just stated what he wrote.

[mickeycrimm]

You must be quite the researcher. Has CSI given you a call?

I'm sorry. This is the kind of precision you get with VCT's crack advantage players.

I love when maroons say, "I did a google search." That's like saying, "I took a walk," and they expect people to think they're a top-notch marathoner.

Of course, the follow-up questions might be something like this:

1) How many pages of google did you search? Fifty? Two hundred? Or three? LOL.
2) How many hours did you search? Or should we count this in minutes? Seconds?
3) How many topics did you search?
4) How many names associated with the topic did you search, say Marc Lawrence or Playbook or Bally's College Contests and on and on and on.

I'm going to take a wild stab here. I don't think VCT is exactly brimming with people who did any graduate research. Or serious job research. Or really, any sustained, serious research.

Let me know when you want me to call Anthony Curtis(see my previous post regarding this)

Let me know when you want me to prove what I do know or dont know about sports betting (See my previous post).

All this back and forth means nothing. Show me the money, put your money where your mouth is. Show me you have the ability to make money gambling. I know I do, I know I can, let's put our skills to work and see who knows what, or who can make money via gambling.

Yeah, you're killing it, baby.

The difference between you and me is that I have a lifetime of third-party documented success at what I do.

You have google. LOL.

I'm sorry, man. My brother-in-law ran a chain of PI offices (he was the top PI in New Mexico) and much of his research involved online investigations. That "I searched google" is so lame that it's comical. My nephew is taking online forensics as his degree path at Bloomsburg. Again, that "I googled it" is so lame, it's disturbing.

Do you have any friggin' idea how much work is actually involved in researching something online?

Redietz was so computer illiterate he didn’t know how to post a link on VCT until a few years ago I taught him how to do it. Now he thinks he can bamboozle everyone about his computer knowledge. Pretty lame there redietz.

[mickeycrimm]

To digress...on to the title of this thread, "professional sportsbetting:"

I've not much of a "nit" to pick, but hey, nit picking is a lawyerly thing.

I thought becoming a "professional" at something required specialized training and a degree or certificate of competence.

Lawyers, doctors, CPA's, plumbers, electricians...all have it.

BUT...not sportsbettors, nor any AP's: they have ZERO professional training in that field, because so far as I am aware there are no colleges or schools with that on the curriculum.

Were I the Word Police I'd substitute the term "rabid" for "professional."

“Professional Gambler” is an oxymoron.

[mickeycrimm]

There is no way to mathematically quantify an opinion.

Sure you can, given enough trials you can see their overall results and quantify their opinion mathematically. That is exactly what quantify means.

When you quantify something, you're putting it in numbers.

You can record and count opinions and the results, but you cannot quantify an opinion before a result is registered, unless that quantity is 1.

Nowadays digital computers are analyzing sporting event. They put out hard numbers, not opinions.

[coach belly]

It is far far easier to get higher returns on smaller amounts of money.

I see.

I think that theory is based on saturation...law of large numbers and diminishing returns, or something along those lines.

Do you suppose that Axel can achieve that rate of return by investing $100K with multiple players, say 20 players per month?

How about redietz, can he achieve that rate of return for 20 clients investing $100K with him?

[coach belly]

Redietz has stated and shown that he doesn’t divulge his picks pre game. He would have the problems of a client passing the picks on to others which he will not get paid for….and line moves caused by the extra action.

He doesn't divulge them on VCT.

Once he gets his action down, will line moves affect the lines on his tickets?

[coach belly]

No I didn’t assume anything. Just stated what he wrote.

You did? He says you misquoted what he wrote on the website.

In his Integrity Sports ad redietz told prospective investors what they could expect to make on the season. I think it was around 15 or 20%, something like that.

And they had to deliver the money to him, not make the bets themselves.
Redietz would never go for letting clients make their own bets unless they paid up front for each pick.

The website says this...."For monthly or seasonal fees, we provide our official lineup of college and NFL investment recommendations. Since Mr. Dietz spends most of the football season in Las Vegas, he is also available for direct hands-on investing for clients."

I don't see anything about having to deliver money to him, or that clients can't make their own bets.

[coach belly]

Nowadays digital computers are analyzing sporting event. They put out hard numbers, not opinions.

Do those hard numbers include EV on opinions?

Do they include advice, or do the advisors use the numbers to formulate their advice?

Do they compare the hard numbers to the results, in order to calculate the EV for future wagers?

For example, the expected value of making wagers based on the computer numbers, when the computer numbers deviate from the posted odds?

[accountinquestion]

It is far far easier to get higher returns on smaller amounts of money.

I see.

I think that theory is based on saturation...law of large numbers and diminishing returns, or something along those lines.

Do you suppose that Axel can achieve that rate of return by investing $100K with multiple players, say 20 players per month?

How about redietz, can he achieve that rate of return for 20 clients investing $100K with him?

I have no idea but larger edges for larger amounts attract the sophisticated people. They'll never bother will smaller amounts. Comparing anything gambling related to buffet is naive at best.

[mickeycrimm]

Redietz has stated and shown that he doesn’t divulge his picks pre game. He would have the problems of a client passing the picks on to others which he will not get paid for….and line moves caused by the extra action.

He doesn't divulge them on VCT.

Once he gets his action down, will line moves affect the lines on his tickets?

If Ditz bets his money first it can cause the line to move before the client can get his money down. If Ditz tells the client -6 but ditz, betting before giving the number to the client, action moved the line to -6.5 the client is either fucked out of half a point or doesn’t bet.

PS that’s a great moniker you gave redietz, the Ditz. Hahaha.