Professional Sportsbetting

[kewlJ]

For me, the thing is that at least for most of my time on this forum, Redietz presented himself as a 40 year winning sports bettor. A sports handicapper that picked winners at a rate good enough to overcome the vig and be a consistent winner. I found that impressive.

But it turns out he was more of what I call a sports betting "tout". One of those many guys who makes their money selling their picks and "services".

Nothing illegal or anything, just not what I believe he presented himself as. A heck of a lot less impressive to me.

And this calls into question the 57% winners to me. That is a number he used to try to sell his service. I know he has some documentation for different years and contests that he did well (dating back to "the package" he mailed Alan). Well who knows what is cherry picked and what poorer years and contest were left out of this 57% number.

Like I said, if someone could really pick 57% winners consistently, they would be spending their time getting bets in, not trying to figure out how to gain new customers for their tout service. But that is just me.

[AxelWolf]

Take note to :53

This isn't always the case. There were some very valid pick services recently (5ish years) but they were more based on props which had weak lines.

It is also very hard to get in enough action. Having your clients bet for you alleviates that. It takes a pretty big bankroll to make much sports betting. The edges aren't particularly big but more importantly the frequency of positive wagers isn't very high.

Anyway not that I particularly disagree with you but throwing in my 2 cents.

WEAK LINES(LOL) YOU FOOL THERE IS NO SUCH THING!!!

According to Red, that is.

[AxelWolf]

I won't hold my breath, because this was posted...



Before Axel posted these...

It’s not the first time redietz said it would be the last time he addresses axel. Axel knows enough about the subject that redietz can’t bamboozle him. It pisses redietz off to no end.

For the record, Axel is welcome on any program on which I appear so he can debunk me. Same with Mr. Crimm.

Don't disappoint me, Mr. Crimm.

What programs?

What is it you think I'm trying to debunk?

I have no clue if you are a winning sports bettor or not.

I take issue with the fact that you think that one needs to be a handicapping guru to make a living betting sports.

I take issue with many of the asinine things you say about Advantage Players in general.

I take issue with the fact that you scold people for using commonly used terminology when talking about sports.

I take issue with you calling people scumbags for multi-accounting "friends and family" bonus money.

[redietz]

Unless you're taking 10% or less of the sign-up bonuses signing friends and family up for sports betting accounts, you are exploiting them because you could certainly spend an hour explaining how they could do it themselves without you taking a cut. That is, if they are indeed "friends and family." The excuse that they don't want to bother is asinine or that it's too difficult to explain to "non-APs." Taking other people's bonus money, unless you know for a fact that they will have bonus money available to them in the future should they decide to deposit more, is indeed a scumbag move. Why are you depriving "friends and family" of the opportunity to make money (the way you do)?

Then there's the fact that every time you do something like the multi-accounting just for bonuses, you give the sports books reason to reduce or limit bonuses going forward for everyone else. Plus the fact you monopolize the bonus distributions means that you are trying, in essence, to put books out of business. Nothing wrong with that necessarily, but a bettor with access to 20 books will do better than someone with access to 10. So by relying on this bonus exploitation as your fallback move, you are damaging the bottom lines of actual sports bettors, recreational and serious.

I'm sure you have a long list of "APs" who make a "living betting sports." Pardon me while I gag myself with a spoon. You really should stop with high-falutin' Leonardo Da AP fairy tales.

[accountinquestion]

Plus there is the fact that when people have researched redietz indepth - all that is found is a delinquent tax bill.

[MDawg]

Only a cursory examination of UNKewlJ unearths 37 lies (and counting).

[jdaewoo]

Why aren't you at the fake baccarat tables?

[Keystone]

Why aren't you at the fake baccarat tables?

He will get to that when he’s done with his fake law practice and polishing his fake “timepieces”…..first things first tho. He’s gotta finish tugging on his tiny Saudi pud while he obsesses more about KJ

[AxelWolf]

Unless you're taking 10% or less of the sign-up bonuses signing friends and family up for sports betting accounts, you are exploiting them because you could certainly spend an hour explaining how they could do it themselves without you taking a cut. That is, if they are indeed "friends and family." The excuse that they don't want to bother is asinine or that it's too difficult to explain to "non-APs." Taking other people's bonus money, unless you know for a fact that they will have bonus money available to them in the future should they decide to deposit more, is indeed a scumbag move. Why are you depriving "friends and family" of the opportunity to make money (the way you do)?

Then there's the fact that every time you do something like the multi-accounting just for bonuses, you give the sports books reason to reduce or limit bonuses going forward for everyone else. Plus the fact you monopolize the bonus distributions means that you are trying, in essence, to put books out of business. Nothing wrong with that necessarily, but a bettor with access to 20 books will do better than someone with access to 10. So by relying on this bonus exploitation as your fallback move, you are damaging the bottom lines of actual sports bettors, recreational and serious.

I'm sure you have a long list of "APs" who make a "living betting sports." Pardon me while I gag myself with a spoon. You really should stop with high-falutin' Leonardo Da AP fairy tales.

We went over this before. Often, those people won't touch online gambling with a ten-foot pole no matter how good it is.

I have tried, oh I have tried until I have been blue in the face.

There is one guy I know right now who has been a poker and backgammon player since before I was even old enough to gamble, he knows and understands AP, and he even worked for a sports book at one time. He isn't rich by any means, he does ok, but he could definitely use the extra income. The online bonuses are perfect for him as he is basically retired other than playing poker from time to time.

I have been trying for years to get him into the online bonuses. I sat him down with our laptops, I showed him exactly how to do it, I showed him records, and even went through the process from start to finish. Him " This looks really good, I see the potential, Ill let you know, I'm just not that interested right now"

Just the other day he was telling me how he needs to get off his ass and make some money. He even asked me if there were any casinos I needed him to get some cards at. I said, not right now. I brought up the online casino bonuses again, but he said he didn't want to get into it at this point in his life.

I had taught my father how to do some online casino bonuses back in the day when it was super low roller over like 1x. With my help, he ran a few accounts up fairly high and he was all excited. But then he got pissed off they didn't send him the money ASAP, and they wanted him to jump through hoops to get his winnings(I told him that was going to be the case). He even got super pissed off at me because I told him to calm down after he yelled at the casino support team over the phone. He has never touched an online casino since.

Introducing some people to the world of online gambling and sports betting may not be a good idea no matter how good your intentions are. Point in case, Tasha/Karen/Nathan loves to gamble but she is often broke she should not be using her own money to play -EV games. I told her multiple times over the years she could be gambling for free and money doing it.

After I mentioned it last time, I set out to prove it could be done. Sure enough, I got super duper fucking lucky. I posted up some details including screenshots of my account, a jackpot, and some results of what I was able to do with a FREE bonus chip. I had multiple people including herself say it wasn't a good idea to introduce her to the world of online bonus gambling(free or not), it's just too risky. She already fucked somthing up BTC and incurred overdraft charges over a $100 loan.

No matter how easy or lucrative it might be I have many examples of people who are not just cut out for it.

[AxelWolf]

I could make them 3k a month and I would put up all the money.

Without compounding, that's an effective return of 36% per year.

You are the Orc of Oak Harbor. Buffet's best year was only 2/3 of that, with some losing years in the mix. Variance, I guess.

What a waste of time, work and BS that old man went through, when he could have just parked his billions with you and made some real money.

I'll bet, but the "them" has to be me.

I'll pay you 100% of the profits, but nothing if I lose.

Will that be Venmo, PayPal or Bitcoin?

Show me the money.

I have no clue what you are trying to say.

I was addressing Red, not you. If he wants to make a wager on whether I can or can't do it, we can set it up and have someome trustworthy verify.

[AxelWolf]

Unless you're taking 10% or less of the sign-up bonuses signing friends and family up for sports betting accounts, you are exploiting them because you could certainly spend an hour explaining how they could do it themselves without you taking a cut. That is, if they are indeed "friends and family." The excuse that they don't want to bother is asinine or that it's too difficult to explain to "non-APs." Taking other people's bonus money, unless you know for a fact that they will have bonus money available to them in the future should they decide to deposit more, is indeed a scumbag move. Why are you depriving "friends and family" of the opportunity to make money (the way you do)?

Then there's the fact that every time you do something like the multi-accounting just for bonuses, you give the sports books reason to reduce or limit bonuses going forward for everyone else. Plus the fact you monopolize the bonus distributions means that you are trying, in essence, to put books out of business. Nothing wrong with that necessarily, but a bettor with access to 20 books will do better than someone with access to 10. So by relying on this bonus exploitation as your fallback move, you are damaging the bottom lines of actual sports bettors, recreational and serious.

I'm sure you have a long list of "APs" who make a "living betting sports." Pardon me while I gag myself with a spoon. You really should stop with high-falutin' Leonardo Da AP fairy tales.

Suddenly you think multi-accounting is ok just because some well-known public gamblers have laid claim to doing it, just not multi-accounting for bonuses. LOL, Bro Just LOL.
If you can beat sports like you claim, all while putting your records and advertising online, taking on investors, touting your guruness, then you too reduce or limit value going forward for everyone else. Lots of what you say is hypocritical at best.

P.S. All you highly educated trollish writers should at least be able to find your terms and words to use. This isn't the first time I noticed you people using my terms, words, or phrases soon after I have.

[AxelWolf]

Only a cursory examination of UNKewlJ unearths 37 lies (and counting).

GET THE FUCK OUT OF THIS THREAD WITH YOUR STALKING OF JK. You have multiple threads and forums to do so, you are just adding clutter.

[coach belly]

I was addressing Red, not you.

Oh yeah?

Well then fuck you, man!

Who put this thing together? Me! That's who!

Just so you should know, I don't have your problem. I always tell the truth, even when I lie.

So say goodnight to the bad guy. It's the last time you gonna see a bad guy like this again.

I'm blocking you, I'm leaving the forum, I'm leaving Las Vegas, leaving on a jet plane, don't know when I'll be back again.

I'm moving to The Villages.

Anybody have Plopkin's address down there?

I'll need to couch surf until I find my own place.

That jew motherfucker, he only exists down there because of me.

That's the only reason, that and the crossword puzzle money his Mothra won.

[MisterV]

I always tell the truth, even when I lie.

Just as you're always right, even when you're wrong?

Hello, McFly?

[AxelWolf]

[AxelWolf]

To digress...on to the title of this thread, "professional sportsbetting:"

I've not much of a "nit" to pick, but hey, nit picking is a lawyerly thing.

I thought becoming a "professional" at something required specialized training and a degree or certificate of competence.

Lawyers, doctors, CPA's, plumbers, electricians...all have it.

BUT...not sportsbettors, nor any AP's: they have ZERO professional training in that field, because so far as I am aware there are no colleges or schools with that on the curriculum.

Were I the Word Police I'd substitute the term "rabid" for "professional."

“Professional Gambler” is an oxymoron.

Perhaps, but that was the term used before Advantage Player became popular.

[AxelWolf]

They pay him for his opinion. They value his opinion.

They continue to pay for his advice only if it's profitable.

There is no way to mathematically quantify an opinion.

The conclusion of your "if/then" scenario below is null...the hypothesis does not exist.

In his Integrity Sports ad redietz told prospective investors what they could expect to make on the season. I think it was around 15 or 20%, something like that.

And they had to deliver the money to him, not make the bets themselves. Redietz would never go for letting clients make their own bets unless they paid up front for each pick. What's to guarantee he gets paid if he relies on them paying up after a win? And they could give his picks away.

Just for the record: Not hard to look up and quote accurately...if you want to do so.

A quaint little site, but all things considered, I'm proud of it considering when it was posted. No exaggerations, precision in reporting of results, completely accurate and above board.

One thing I worry about is "APs," whose job requires absolute precision, when they are incredibly sloppy at reporting other things. I mean, really, how hard is this to look up? So one gets concerned about their reporting of their own narratives. Obviously this is a very old site (ballpark 1998), so what I was doing in, say, 2015, would not be what I was doing in 1998.

https://web.archive.org/web/20101014...itysports.com/

If it takes more than a simple search on Google, it is probably not relevant.

[kewlJ]

I don't think "professional gambler" is an oxymoron at all. Maybe 100+ years ago when a professional gambler was someone that moved from town to town with a marked deck of cards and loaded dice in his pocket. But today, what we commonly cause AP's are people that require the knowledge and preparation to play and win.

I don't know everything that you more advanced AP do, but even as a lowly card counter there is a lot of preparation. It isn't just wandering from casino to casino playing. I make it my business to know which casinos tolerate what amounts and which don't. To know which casinos contribute to one or more databases and which don't. (so that a single backoff or other incident of heat doesn't cost multiple casinos). I keep detailed records of my play, noting dealer and pit for each session, so that any "incident", I can avoid that casino and/or certain personnel for a period if I need to. I also have a record of my win at that casino for both the year and lifetime, so I know if I am bumping up against any thresholds that might become problematic. When I go out to play I usually have mapped out just where I want to hit based on all this information. It isn't just "oh I think I will play some blackjack today".

Again, I don't know what other APs do, especially the machine guys, but I assume there is a similar level of preparation. They aren't just winging it.

So with all that is involved with preparation ect, If someone wants to substitute the common advantage player phrase used today for "professional gambler", that is fine. I think most of us that succeed for any length of time, are pretty professional about it

[kewlJ]

Now expanding to the title of this thread. Professional sports bettor to me, would be a person that bets sports and can win at a rate to overcome the vig. That simple. 57% would more than do so. I thought that is what redietz was or was claiming. But it looks more and more to me that what he is or was, is a professional sports betting tout.

And again, there is nothing wrong with that. Not illegal or anything. But a guy making his money from selling his picks is not a professional sports bettor by definition. What he is doing is marketing or something. Just so happens to involve sports picks.

[tableplay]

No matter how easy or lucrative it might be I have many examples of people who are not just cut out for it.