Professional Sportsbetting

[mickeycrimm]

Knowing who or what has the ability to make +EV wagers can be based on the number of trials and results.

That only applies to wagers where a random distribution of results is expected.

Are you talking about MDawg?

According to redietz the games arent random. He's said it over and over again.

[mickeycrimm]

They pay him for his opinion. They value his opinion.

They continue to pay for his advice only if it's profitable.

There is no way to mathematically quantify an opinion.

The conclusion of your "if/then" scenario below is null...the hypothesis does not exist.

if you come up with the expected EV, then someome can show the math of why the client has no value if and when he gives freerolls to the guru.

In his Integrity Sports ad redietz told prospective investors what they could expect to make on the season. I think it was around 15 or 20%, something like that.

And they had to deliver the money to him, not make the bets themselves. Redietz would never go for letting clients make their own bets unless they paid up front for each pick. What's to guarantee he gets paid if he relies on them paying up after a win? And they could give his picks away.

[coach belly]

According to redietz the games arent random. He's said it over and over again.

I agree...the results of athletic events are not random.

Otherwise the moneyline odds would be the same for every event,
like the craps table or VP machine.

[kewlJ]

Coach B, aren't you the guy that dug into and posted Redietz non or late tax payment?

Gossip.

Why do you ask, what have you heard, who did you hear it from?

Except that wasn't gossip. Gossip is spreadinga rumor. What you did was specifically look up information and when you found something posted it. Very coach belly of you.

I don't think we should keep holding that against redietz as it was only $500.

I don't really hold the tax thing against redietz. Mainly because I don't know the circumstances. He tried to explain the circumstances over at GF, as to why he pays 6 months late every year and incurs late fees and penalties and his reason just didn't make any sense to me.

But I really don't care. It is just something to bust on him about. And I do feel justified on busting on him, because he is actually the one that came up with that stupid KJ male prostitute shit, that seedvalue and Mdawg have run with. Red, did it in a way trying to be funny like "I don't know if he is a card counter, works at dunkin donuts or is a male prostitute". The others just ran with that and got really nasty with the lies and repeated it a million times. So, yeah, I feel justified in an occasional Tax jab at Red.

[coach belly]

In his Integrity Sports ad redietz told prospective investors what they could expect to make on the season. I think it was around 15 or 20%, something like that.

And they had to deliver the money to him, not make the bets themselves.

You're assuming that what was written on that site applied to every client.

It's likely that info only applied to prospective clients.

I recall him writing about giving clients plays on the phone, and they would bet on their own, with a local book or whatever.

Sometimes the client wouldn't pull the trigger.

[coach belly]

Except that wasn't gossip. Gossip is spreading a rumor.

You are incorrect again cum breath, gossip doesn't have to be spreading a rumor.

If you were really Villanova material, you would know that.

Look it up.

[redietz]

They pay him for his opinion. They value his opinion.

They continue to pay for his advice only if it's profitable.

There is no way to mathematically quantify an opinion.

The conclusion of your "if/then" scenario below is null...the hypothesis does not exist.

if you come up with the expected EV, then someome can show the math of why the client has no value if and when he gives freerolls to the guru.

In his Integrity Sports ad redietz told prospective investors what they could expect to make on the season. I think it was around 15 or 20%, something like that.

And they had to deliver the money to him, not make the bets themselves. Redietz would never go for letting clients make their own bets unless they paid up front for each pick. What's to guarantee he gets paid if he relies on them paying up after a win? And they could give his picks away.

Just for the record: Not hard to look up and quote accurately...if you want to do so.

A quaint little site, but all things considered, I'm proud of it considering when it was posted. No exaggerations, precision in reporting of results, completely accurate and above board.

One thing I worry about is "APs," whose job requires absolute precision, when they are incredibly sloppy at reporting other things. I mean, really, how hard is this to look up? So one gets concerned about their reporting of their own narratives. Obviously this is a very old site (ballpark 1998), so what I was doing in, say, 2015, would not be what I was doing in 1998.

https://web.archive.org/web/20101014...itysports.com/

[coach belly]

Just for the record

To be clear, I haven't received any talking points from you...as if!

That's MDawg's cross to bear.

PS...I never received the Venmo.

[MisterV]

To digress...on to the title of this thread, "professional sportsbetting:"

I've not much of a "nit" to pick, but hey, nit picking is a lawyerly thing.

I thought becoming a "professional" at something required specialized training and a degree or certificate of competence.

Lawyers, doctors, CPA's, plumbers, electricians...all have it.

BUT...not sportsbettors, nor any AP's: they have ZERO professional training in that field, because so far as I am aware there are no colleges or schools with that on the curriculum.

Were I the Word Police I'd substitute the term "rabid" for "professional."

[coach belly]

There is no way to mathematically quantify an opinion.

Sure you can, given enough trials you can see their overall results and quantify their opinion mathematically. That is exactly what quantify means.

When you quantify something, you're putting it in numbers.

You can record and count opinions and the results, but you cannot quantify an opinion before a result is registered, unless that quantity is 1.

[kewlJ]

What about professional boxers or other athlete?

To me the definition is that is what the person does to earn a living. Professional sports bettor works.

[MisterV]

Boxers and athletes all have coaches to teach them; most pro athletes get their training in school.

Besides, don't you think the term "professional boxer" or "professional athlete" is a bit of a misnomer?

i do, because to my mind if a person really is a "professional" they can work in that field until they hit retirement age; boxers and athletes have a short shelf life: "Hello, Mike Tyson."

I'm not denigrating people who choose to call themselves professional sportsbettors or professional gamblers, I am simply quibbling: it's what I do.

[AxelWolf]

They pay him for his opinion. They value his opinion.

They continue to pay for his advice only if it's profitable.

There is no way to mathematically quantify an opinion.

The conclusion of your "if/then" scenario below is null...the hypothesis does not exist.

if you come up with the expected EV, then someome can show the math of why the client has no value if and when he gives freerolls to the guru.

In his Integrity Sports ad redietz told prospective investors what they could expect to make on the season. I think it was around 15 or 20%, something like that.

And they had to deliver the money to him, not make the bets themselves. Redietz would never go for letting clients make their own bets unless they paid up front for each pick. What's to guarantee he gets paid if he relies on them paying up after a win? And they could give his picks away.

When I do a google search,
I get nothing.

[AxelWolf]

There is no way to mathematically quantify an opinion.

Sure you can, given enough trials you can see their overall results and quantify their opinion mathematically. That is exactly what quantify means.

When you quantify something, you're putting it in numbers.

You can record and count opinions and the results, but you cannot quantify an opinion before a result is registered, unless that quantity is 1.

It's hard to quantify one.... but not many. What's your point? Are you saying no one can calculate or quantify if Red even has an advantage? If so, I may agree.

[redietz]

They pay him for his opinion. They value his opinion.

They continue to pay for his advice only if it's profitable.

There is no way to mathematically quantify an opinion.

The conclusion of your "if/then" scenario below is null...the hypothesis does not exist.

In his Integrity Sports ad redietz told prospective investors what they could expect to make on the season. I think it was around 15 or 20%, something like that.

And they had to deliver the money to him, not make the bets themselves. Redietz would never go for letting clients make their own bets unless they paid up front for each pick. What's to guarantee he gets paid if he relies on them paying up after a win? And they could give his picks away.

When I do a google search,
I get nothing.

You must be quite the researcher. Has CSI given you a call?

I'm sorry. This is the kind of precision you get with VCT's crack advantage players.

I love when maroons say, "I did a google search." That's like saying, "I took a walk," and they expect people to think they're a top-notch marathoner.

Of course, the follow-up questions might be something like this:

1) How many pages of google did you search? Fifty? Two hundred? Or three? LOL.
2) How many hours did you search? Or should we count this in minutes? Seconds?
3) How many topics did you search?
4) How many names associated with the topic did you search, say Marc Lawrence or Playbook or Bally's College Contests and on and on and on.

I'm going to take a wild stab here. I don't think VCT is exactly brimming with people who did any graduate research. Or serious job research. Or really, any sustained, serious research.

[AxelWolf]

They pay him for his opinion. They value his opinion.

They continue to pay for his advice only if it's profitable.

There is no way to mathematically quantify an opinion.

The conclusion of your "if/then" scenario below is null...the hypothesis does not exist.

if you come up with the expected EV, then someome can show the math of why the client has no value if and when he gives freerolls to the guru.

In his Integrity Sports ad redietz told prospective investors what they could expect to make on the season. I think it was around 15 or 20%, something like that.

And they had to deliver the money to him, not make the bets themselves. Redietz would never go for letting clients make their own bets unless they paid up front for each pick. What's to guarantee he gets paid if he relies on them paying up after a win? And they could give his picks away.

EXPECT to make 10-12 % on your INVESTMENT. You could lose it all.

A 100k investor should expect to make 10k to 20k according to him. What is Red's cut of that? 20%? That is a lot of work and BS for a few thousand per 100k investment.

[coach belly]

That is a lot of work and BS for a few thousand per 100k investment.

Why does Schwab bother advertising? They already manage 10 trillion.

You must be a small-picture type. You keep saying it's a lot of work.

The work is in the analysis, it doesn't increase with the number of investors, but the income does.

[AxelWolf]

In his Integrity Sports ad redietz told prospective investors what they could expect to make on the season. I think it was around 15 or 20%, something like that.

And they had to deliver the money to him, not make the bets themselves. Redietz would never go for letting clients make their own bets unless they paid up front for each pick. What's to guarantee he gets paid if he relies on them paying up after a win? And they could give his picks away.

When I do a google search,
I get nothing.

You must be quite the researcher. Has CSI given you a call?

I'm sorry. This is the kind of precision you get with VCT's crack advantage players.

I love when maroons say, "I did a google search." That's like saying, "I took a walk," and they expect people to think they're a top-notch marathoner.

Of course, the follow-up questions might be something like this:

1) How many pages of google did you search? Fifty? Two hundred? Or three? LOL.
2) How many hours did you search? Or should we count this in minutes? Seconds?
3) How many topics did you search?
4) How many names associated with the topic did you search, say Marc Lawrence or Playbook or Bally's College Contests and on and on and on.

I'm going to take a wild stab here. I don't think VCT is exactly brimming with people who did any graduate research. Or serious job research. Or really, any sustained, serious research.

Let me know when you want me to call Anthony Curtis(see my previous post regarding this)

Let me know when you want me to prove what I do know or dont know about sports betting (See my previous post).

All this back and forth means nothing. Show me the money, put your money where your mouth is. Show me you have the ability to make money gambling. I know I do, I know I can, let's put our skills to work and see who knows what, or who can make money via gambling.

[AxelWolf]

That is a lot of work and BS for a few thousand per 100k investment.

Why does Schwab bother advertising? They already manage 10 trillion.

You must be a small-picture type. You keep saying it's a lot of work.

The work is in the analysis, it doesn't increase with the number of investors, but the income does.

Let me know how that works with sports according to what Red does, then we can discuss it.

[redietz]

They pay him for his opinion. They value his opinion.

They continue to pay for his advice only if it's profitable.

There is no way to mathematically quantify an opinion.

The conclusion of your "if/then" scenario below is null...the hypothesis does not exist.

In his Integrity Sports ad redietz told prospective investors what they could expect to make on the season. I think it was around 15 or 20%, something like that.

And they had to deliver the money to him, not make the bets themselves. Redietz would never go for letting clients make their own bets unless they paid up front for each pick. What's to guarantee he gets paid if he relies on them paying up after a win? And they could give his picks away.

EXPECT to make 10-12 % on your INVESTMENT. You could lose it all.

A 100k investor should expect to make 10k to 20k according to him. What is Red's cut of that? 20%? That is a lot of work and BS for a few thousand per 100k investment.

If you say so.

That is, of course, in four months. Oh wait, Axelwolf didn't read that thing about four months. LOL. He tends to not read carefully. Makes me wonder about his math.

I wonder why he didn't figure that out. Is it the reading comprehension? Is it the nose-in-the-air of the dude who has such a palatial lifestyle after a lifetime of "APing?" Inquiring minds want to know.