Professional Sportsbetting

[AxelWolf]

No matter how easy or lucrative it might be I have many examples of people who are not just cut out for it.

I just ran into one that had the same rules about transferring to poker.

If you dont mind, what casino is that? It looks like the Sports & casino group, but they normally dont have that high of a percentage.

[MisterV]

In trying to define the term "professional gambler," the starting point, logically enough, might be "using winnings as your sole financial support," but there's got to be more to it than simply winning more than you lose...hell, "Luck Happens."

I submit it would require some form of skill AND DISCIPLINE which most folks lack.

Take the case of Archie Karas, who turned a ten thousand dollar loan into forty million in winnings...and then quickly lost it all: I submit that in losing it all back rather quickly he showed that he lacks the discipline to be a professional gambler.

Lots of swinging dicks spend a shit load of time in the casinos but that expenditure of time means nothing viz. being a "professional:" a line must be drawn between "professional gambler" and "degenerate gambler."

[MDawg]

What we DO know about UNKewlJ is that he is just as much of a

thieving lying low down no good varmint.

in person as he is online.

His own family booted him from the familial household, what does that tell you?

Is there anyone on these forums more universally despised than the UNKewl one? Doubtful.

[Rob.Singer]

In trying to define the term "professional gambler," the starting point, logically enough, might be "using winnings as your sole financial support," but there's got to be more to it than simply winning more than you lose...hell, "Luck Happens."

I submit it would require some form of skill AND DISCIPLINE which most folks lack.

Take the case of Archie Karas, who turned a ten thousand dollar loan into forty million in winnings...and then quickly lost it all: I submit that in losing it all back rather quickly he showed that he lacks the discipline to be a professional gambler.

Lots of swinging dicks spend a shit load of time in the casinos but that expenditure of time means nothing viz. being a "professional:" a line must be drawn between "professional gambler" and "degenerate gambler."

V, while most won't admit it, ALL professional gamblers are "degenerate" gamblers. They live for and crave the action, and whether they win, lose or draw, they are compulsively drawn to it. It is the classic form of an addiction.

When I played as a professional gambler 2000-2009, even though I won in the vicinity of $3mil, I in fact was and felt like a degenerate gambler. I just loved being around the action, regardless if I had a big advantage or not. And even though I play far less often and will not play vp above dollars any more, I still am one.

After having finally emptied our Az. house out of Thanksgiving guests, tomorrow night we are leaving for Reno, then onto Isleta (Hard Rock) in Albuquerque, and after a few days visiting a Food Network personality in Pawhuska OK, we're spending several days at Monarch in Blackhawk. A mostly casino-oriented trip.

Well-heeled or not and winner or not---it's what continuing degenerate gamblers do.

[AxelWolf]

In trying to define the term "professional gambler," the starting point, logically enough, might be "using winnings as your sole financial support," but there's got to be more to it than simply winning more than you lose...hell, "Luck Happens."

I submit it would require some form of skill AND DISCIPLINE which most folks lack.

Take the case of Archie Karas, who turned a ten thousand dollar loan into forty million in winnings...and then quickly lost it all: I submit that in losing it all back rather quickly he showed that he lacks the discipline to be a professional gambler.

Lots of swinging dicks spend a shit load of time in the casinos but that expenditure of time means nothing viz. being a "professional:" a line must be drawn between "professional gambler" and "degenerate gambler."

If you can support yourself, the only discipline you would need is to always play +EV situations.

[AxelWolf]

In trying to define the term "professional gambler," the starting point, logically enough, might be "using winnings as your sole financial support," but there's got to be more to it than simply winning more than you lose...hell, "Luck Happens."

I submit it would require some form of skill AND DISCIPLINE which most folks lack.

Take the case of Archie Karas, who turned a ten thousand dollar loan into forty million in winnings...and then quickly lost it all: I submit that in losing it all back rather quickly he showed that he lacks the discipline to be a professional gambler.

Lots of swinging dicks spend a shit load of time in the casinos but that expenditure of time means nothing viz. being a "professional:" a line must be drawn between "professional gambler" and "degenerate gambler."

V, while most won't admit it, ALL professional gamblers are "degenerate" gamblers.

Sorry, but that's just not true.

[tableplay]

No matter how easy or lucrative it might be I have many examples of people who are not just cut out for it.

I just ran into one that had the same rules about transferring to poker.

If you dont mind, what casino is that? It looks like the Sports & casino group, but they normally dont have that high of a percentage.

https://nitrobetting.eu/merry-money-...e=sendgrid.com

[MDawg]

V, while most won't admit it, ALL professional gamblers are "degenerate" gamblers.

Sorry, but that's just not true.

Still, you're an alcoholic Wolf and that speaks to some kind of addiction in your make up.

[kewlJ]

V, while most won't admit it, ALL professional gamblers are "degenerate" gamblers.

Sorry, but that's just not true.

it almost goes without saying that Rob is wrong.

If an advantage player/professional gambler walks into a casino and he can't find something +EV, he will walk out without ever placing a wager.

If a degenerate gambler, even one that likes or tries to play at an advantage, walks into a casino and can't find anything +EV to play, he will find something to play. It is about the action for this player. THAT is what makes a degenerate gambler. The need for action. And from Rob's earlier post, he has such a need.

[MisterV]

Still, you're an alcoholic Wolf and that speaks to some kind of addiction in your make up.

Hey hound, you ever hear "He who lives in a glass house shouldn't throw stones?"

C'mon man, you're as much a degenerate gambler as anyone on this board, given your claim of staying ("comped:" bwa ha ha ha) and gambling in LV for seven or so months without letup.

Not that there's anything wrong with doing that, it is just a might...Oh, I don't know..."excessive."

[mickeycrimm]

In trying to define the term "professional gambler," the starting point, logically enough, might be "using winnings as your sole financial support," but there's got to be more to it than simply winning more than you lose...hell, "Luck Happens."

I submit it would require some form of skill AND DISCIPLINE which most folks lack.

Take the case of Archie Karas, who turned a ten thousand dollar loan into forty million in winnings...and then quickly lost it all: I submit that in losing it all back rather quickly he showed that he lacks the discipline to be a professional gambler.

Lots of swinging dicks spend a shit load of time in the casinos but that expenditure of time means nothing viz. being a "professional:" a line must be drawn between "professional gambler" and "degenerate gambler."

V, while most won't admit it, ALL professional gamblers are "degenerate" gamblers. They live for and crave the action, and whether they win, lose or draw, they are compulsively drawn to it. It is the classic form of an addiction.

When I played as a professional gambler 2000-2009, even though I won in the vicinity of $3mil, I in fact was and felt like a degenerate gambler. I just loved being around the action, regardless if I had a big advantage or not. And even though I play far less often and will not play vp above dollars any more, I still am one.

After having finally emptied our Az. house out of Thanksgiving guests, tomorrow night we are leaving for Reno, then onto Isleta (Hard Rock) in Albuquerque, and after a few days visiting a Food Network personality in Pawhuska OK, we're spending several days at Monarch in Blackhawk. A mostly casino-oriented trip.

Well-heeled or not and winner or not---it's what continuing degenerate gamblers do.

Pioneer Woman. I've been to Pawhuska. It has a surprisingly nice little downtown area. The movie, Killers of the Flower Moon is about that area. Home of the Osage Indians.

[mickeycrimm]

No I didn’t assume anything. Just stated what he wrote.

You did? He says you misquoted what he wrote on the website.

In his Integrity Sports ad redietz told prospective investors what they could expect to make on the season. I think it was around 15 or 20%, something like that.

And they had to deliver the money to him, not make the bets themselves.
Redietz would never go for letting clients make their own bets unless they paid up front for each pick.

The website says this...."For monthly or seasonal fees, we provide our official lineup of college and NFL investment recommendations. Since Mr. Dietz spends most of the football season in Las Vegas, he is also available for direct hands-on investing for clients."

I don't see anything about having to deliver money to him, or that clients can't make their own bets.

I didn't quote redietz. I wrote what my memory told me. I was off a little. So what?

What you are missing is redietz has said repeatedly that you can't measure EV in sports betting. But there he was on his site claiming he could produce a 10 to 12% earn for clients. He was selling EV to clients. If he truly believed that EV can't be measured, and wanted to be honest/truthful about it, then he would have told them there is no way to measure how much he could make, or not make, for them.

[MDawg]

V, while most won't admit it, ALL professional gamblers are "degenerate" gamblers.

Sorry, but that's just not true.

it almost goes without saying that Rob is wrong.

And UNKewlJ is addicted to lying. Can’t help himself can’t stop.

I don't think you'll ever give up your lying. It is too much ingrained in who you are.

[accountinquestion]

In trying to define the term "professional gambler," the starting point, logically enough, might be "using winnings as your sole financial support," but there's got to be more to it than simply winning more than you lose...hell, "Luck Happens."

I submit it would require some form of skill AND DISCIPLINE which most folks lack.

Take the case of Archie Karas, who turned a ten thousand dollar loan into forty million in winnings...and then quickly lost it all: I submit that in losing it all back rather quickly he showed that he lacks the discipline to be a professional gambler.

Lots of swinging dicks spend a shit load of time in the casinos but that expenditure of time means nothing viz. being a "professional:" a line must be drawn between "professional gambler" and "degenerate gambler."

V, while most won't admit it, ALL professional gamblers are "degenerate" gamblers. They live for and crave the action, and whether they win, lose or draw, they are compulsively drawn to it. It is the classic form of an addiction.

When I played as a professional gambler 2000-2009, even though I won in the vicinity of $3mil, I in fact was and felt like a degenerate gambler. I just loved being around the action, regardless if I had a big advantage or not. And even though I play far less often and will not play vp above dollars any more, I still am one.

After having finally emptied our Az. house out of Thanksgiving guests, tomorrow night we are leaving for Reno, then onto Isleta (Hard Rock) in Albuquerque, and after a few days visiting a Food Network personality in Pawhuska OK, we're spending several days at Monarch in Blackhawk. A mostly casino-oriented trip.

Well-heeled or not and winner or not---it's what continuing degenerate gamblers do.

Lol you're so wrong. Stop projecting, moron.

And stop your lying, kewl.

[accountinquestion]

The fact is a lot of pros are not degenerates because a real degenerate will shoot off their roll. In poker world they can get loans and if they book it is a bit different. Actually a lot of slot pros are also fairly degenerate. But many of the degenerates are being pumped up by family money too. Funny world the gambling world.

[tableplay]

Unlike some "APs," I report reality.

Same here (see below). BTW, I had no problem posting the December promo here at VCT since Nitrobetting was starting to get a little testy (see e-mail below) with me back in November when I hammered their November promo and I didn't want to risk having issues with withdrawing if I hammered any of their promos (shown below) again. It's funny, we shouldn't bet Parlays and yet Nitrobetting restricts using them towards rollover progress (along with Poker and Casino games). It's weird that such throwaway bets like Parlays get lopped into the same risk averse category as Poker and Casino Games (like blackjack,craps and video poker). Weird man, just weird. It's foolish to think lowly APs can make money at the books.

[AxelWolf]

Unlike some "APs," I report reality.

Same here (see below). BTW, I had no problem posting the December promo here at VCT since Nitrobetting was starting to get a little testy (see e-mail below) with me back in November when I hammered their November promo and I didn't want to risk having issues with withdrawing if I hammered any of their promos (shown below) again. It's funny, we shouldn't bet Parlays and yet Nitrobetting restricts using them towards rollover progress (along with Poker and Casino games). It's weird that such throwaway bets like Parlays get lopped into the same risk averse category as Poker and Casino Games (like blackjack,craps and video poker). Weird man, just weird. It's foolish to think lowly APs can make money at the books.

Ahh yes, I have been playing there, I just started not too long ago. I didn't get a 750% bonus they only had a 500% bonus. I dont even deposit too much when I first play an unknown(to me) casino so I only made a 500-600 deposit for the 500%. I still have 200 to 300 in my account there. I can't get any new bonuses until I make up for my cashouts. They are very strict on VPN usage, I got a nasty Email and had to do this that, and the other thing to allow them to let me cash out.


Cashier Transaction

PMWithdrawal Approved
- 12.40 m₿-4.45324 m₿
Withdrawal Approved

AMWithdrawal Approved
- 10.92494 m₿7.94676 m₿
Withdrawal Approved

PMCashier Transaction
+ 1.85864 m₿18.8717 m₿
Cashier Transaction

9:01 AMWithdrawal Approved
- 5.70 m₿17.01306 m₿
Withdrawal Approved

PMCashier Transaction
+ 3.83383 m₿22.71306 m₿
Cashier Transaction

PMWithdrawal Approved
- 2.40 m₿18.87923 m₿
Withdrawal Approved
AMWithdrawal Refund:
+ 2.41 m₿21.27923 m₿
Withdrawal Refund:
PMWithdrawal Rejected: Rejected by POs
- 2.41 m₿18.86923 m₿
Withdrawal Rejected: Rejected by POs
PMWithdrawal Refund:
+ 2.55 m₿21.27923 m₿
Withdrawal Refund:
Withdrawal Rejected: Rejected by POs

PMCashier Transaction
+ 1.70264 m₿21.27923 m₿
Cashier Transaction

PMCashier Transaction
+ 7.90951 m₿19.57659 m₿

[tableplay]

Unlike some "APs," I report reality.

Same here (see below). BTW, I had no problem posting the December promo here at VCT since Nitrobetting was starting to get a little testy (see e-mail below) with me back in November when I hammered their November promo and I didn't want to risk having issues with withdrawing if I hammered any of their promos (shown below) again. It's funny, we shouldn't bet Parlays and yet Nitrobetting restricts using them towards rollover progress (along with Poker and Casino games). It's weird that such throwaway bets like Parlays get lopped into the same risk averse category as Poker and Casino Games (like blackjack,craps and video poker). Weird man, just weird. It's foolish to think lowly APs can make money at the books.

Ahh yes, I have been playing there, I just started not too long ago. I didn't get a 750% bonus they only had a 500% bonus. I dont even deposit too much when I first play an unknown(to me) casino so I only made a 500-600 deposit for the 500%. I still have 200 to 300 in my account there. I can't get any new bonuses until I make up for my cashouts. They are very strict on VPN usage, I got a nasty Email and had to do this that, and the other thing to allow them to let me cash out.


Cashier Transaction

PMWithdrawal Approved
- 12.40 m₿-4.45324 m₿
Withdrawal Approved

AMWithdrawal Approved
- 10.92494 m₿7.94676 m₿
Withdrawal Approved

PMCashier Transaction
+ 1.85864 m₿18.8717 m₿
Cashier Transaction

9:01 AMWithdrawal Approved
- 5.70 m₿17.01306 m₿
Withdrawal Approved

PMCashier Transaction
+ 3.83383 m₿22.71306 m₿
Cashier Transaction

PMWithdrawal Approved
- 2.40 m₿18.87923 m₿
Withdrawal Approved
AMWithdrawal Refund:
+ 2.41 m₿21.27923 m₿
Withdrawal Refund:
PMWithdrawal Rejected: Rejected by POs
- 2.41 m₿18.86923 m₿
Withdrawal Rejected: Rejected by POs
PMWithdrawal Refund:
+ 2.55 m₿21.27923 m₿
Withdrawal Refund:
Withdrawal Rejected: Rejected by POs

PMCashier Transaction
+ 1.70264 m₿21.27923 m₿
Cashier Transaction

PMCashier Transaction
+ 7.90951 m₿19.57659 m₿

You can VPN their casino games to play US-restricted providers' games, but just before you withdraw you should turn your VPN off or (as you found out - like me) it will be rejected. It becomes riskier and riskier to deposit and use the bonus there because each time you want a new bonus you must deposit the amount you withdrew plus enough money to get the next bonus. They were getting very testy with me and I became scared to deposit $1600 (IIRC that was the last withdrawal I had and that was back in November) plus another $500 or whatever for the next 300% bonus, as I got the feeling that they would just take the money. Plus I got contradictory answers. As you saw in the e-mail they say I was ineligible. But in chat, they said I was eligible but I had to put in my last withdrawal amount (plus an additional amount for the deposit bonus [up to $500]). Better safe than sorry IMHO.

Assuming they are paying everyone out, I'm not clear on how these guys haven't gone bankrupt.

[AxelWolf]

Same here (see below). BTW, I had no problem posting the December promo here at VCT since Nitrobetting was starting to get a little testy (see e-mail below) with me back in November when I hammered their November promo and I didn't want to risk having issues with withdrawing if I hammered any of their promos (shown below) again. It's funny, we shouldn't bet Parlays and yet Nitrobetting restricts using them towards rollover progress (along with Poker and Casino games). It's weird that such throwaway bets like Parlays get lopped into the same risk averse category as Poker and Casino Games (like blackjack,craps and video poker). Weird man, just weird. It's foolish to think lowly APs can make money at the books.

Ahh yes, I have been playing there, I just started not too long ago. I didn't get a 750% bonus they only had a 500% bonus. I dont even deposit too much when I first play an unknown(to me) casino so I only made a 500-600 deposit for the 500%. I still have 200 to 300 in my account there. I can't get any new bonuses until I make up for my cashouts. They are very strict on VPN usage, I got a nasty Email and had to do this that, and the other thing to allow them to let me cash out.


Cashier Transaction

PMWithdrawal Approved
- 12.40 m₿-4.45324 m₿
Withdrawal Approved

AMWithdrawal Approved
- 10.92494 m₿7.94676 m₿
Withdrawal Approved

PMCashier Transaction
+ 1.85864 m₿18.8717 m₿
Cashier Transaction

9:01 AMWithdrawal Approved
- 5.70 m₿17.01306 m₿
Withdrawal Approved

PMCashier Transaction
+ 3.83383 m₿22.71306 m₿
Cashier Transaction

PMWithdrawal Approved
- 2.40 m₿18.87923 m₿
Withdrawal Approved
AMWithdrawal Refund:
+ 2.41 m₿21.27923 m₿
Withdrawal Refund:
PMWithdrawal Rejected: Rejected by POs
- 2.41 m₿18.86923 m₿
Withdrawal Rejected: Rejected by POs
PMWithdrawal Refund:
+ 2.55 m₿21.27923 m₿
Withdrawal Refund:
Withdrawal Rejected: Rejected by POs

PMCashier Transaction
+ 1.70264 m₿21.27923 m₿
Cashier Transaction

PMCashier Transaction
+ 7.90951 m₿19.57659 m₿

You can VPN their casino games to play US-restricted providers' games, but just before you withdraw you should turn your VPN off or (as you found out - like me) it will be rejected. It becomes riskier and riskier to deposit and use the bonus there because each time you want a new bonus you must deposit the amount you withdrew plus enough money to get the next bonus. They were getting very testy with me and I became scared to deposit $1600 (IIRC that was the last withdrawal I had and that was back in November) plus another $500 or whatever for the next 300% bonus, as I got the feeling that they would just take the money. Plus I got contradictory answers. As you saw in the e-mail they say I was ineligible. But in chat, they said I was eligible but I had to put in my last withdrawal amount (plus an additional amount for the deposit bonus [up to $500]). Better safe than sorry IMHO.

Assuming they are paying everyone out, I'm not clear on how these guys haven't gone bankrupt.

30x roll D+B most people will lose everything. A handful of smart players isn't going to do much harm.

I have a good friend I told about this place who is playing there now, I feel she will do very well as her first deposit was larger than my test deposit.

[mickeycrimm]

Whose going to write the book, Bonus Whoring For Fun And Profit?