Professional Sportsbetting

[kewlJ]

Why is this piece of shit Arab, sand nigger, injecting himself and incessant trolling into a legitimate gambling/AP discussion of which he has proven he knows nothing about?

When is enough... enough with this asshole troll?

[MDawg]

You would have to be THE nastiest piece of work on this forum.

You constantly backpedal, you constantly troll, you are constantly long-windedly posting dross about the same UNVERIFIED gaming YOU accuse others of here on this forum.

[AxelWolf]

One of the reasons that I didn't get into the online sportsbook bonus game much earlier than last year, when I finally pulled the trigger is because I was not confident I wouldn't get screwed by these books that are not regulated in the USA. When I did pull the trigger, I kind of figured it wouldn't last long.....that I some point I would wear out my welcome.

The first hint of that occurred at the start of football season when one of the 4 books I was using stopped offering me anything playable, bonus-wise. So I replaced that book with 2 others that people recommended. But I have had no issues with payouts.....until this week. I now have a book refusing to pay me, which was my exact fear when I got into this. So to any of you guys that have dealt with these off shore books much longer than I, what recourse do I have, if any?

A major book isn't paying you?

Are they any of the places that have been mentioned above?

What is their reasoning?

[smurgerburger]

What is your deal Axel??? WTF man is this some kind of interrogation???

Don't you know the books employ skilled operatives to read this forum and identify suspected bonus whores???

We should be grateful for the stray crumbs that find their way to us from KJ's heaping plate!

[kewlJ]

One of the reasons that I didn't get into the online sportsbook bonus game much earlier than last year, when I finally pulled the trigger is because I was not confident I wouldn't get screwed by these books that are not regulated in the USA. When I did pull the trigger, I kind of figured it wouldn't last long.....that I some point I would wear out my welcome.

The first hint of that occurred at the start of football season when one of the 4 books I was using stopped offering me anything playable, bonus-wise. So I replaced that book with 2 others that people recommended. But I have had no issues with payouts.....until this week. I now have a book refusing to pay me, which was my exact fear when I got into this. So to any of you guys that have dealt with these off shore books much longer than I, what recourse do I have, if any?

A major book isn't paying you?

Are they any of the places that have been mentioned above?

What is their reasoning?

It is a book that has been mentioned on this forum, although not on the list posted this week, but I am not going to name them right now, as I am hoping and trying to get at least some of my money back. I will let you know one way or the other hopefully in the near future, although it may be by PM rather than public.

[kewlJ]

What is your deal Axel??? WTF man is this some kind of interrogation???

Don't you know the books employ skilled operatives to read this forum and identify suspected bonus whores???

I guess this snarky comment is directed at me, because I have stated that casinos and casino associated organizations read this and other gambling forums. Well guess what friend, this is NOT speculation on my part, Dan Druff just like several other owners of gambling forums has confirmed that some casino personnel read this forum. He is the guy seeing the Ip addresses, so he would know. Are you calling him a liar?

The "associated organizations" like database companies, might be a little harder to identify, but I have other ways that I definitively know some have read. Do I think they visit and read every day? No I don't. But they have at least occasionally visited this forum and read.

[MDawg]

Are you calling him a liar?

Dan Druff simply shares his expert opinion of what the truth is. he has been on these forums for a very long time and knows how to read people.

KewlJ, you have repeatedly lied on this and other forums. You have admitted to many of these lies.

kewlJ has also been caught in a lot of lies over time, both on this forum and elsewhere. Therefore, it is unclear if he really makes much (or anything) playing blackjack these days.

kewlJ is basically the Boy Who Cried Wolf of these AP forums. He has lied so many times that it's impossible to believe any stories he tells.

[kewlJ]

KewlJ, you have repeatedly lied on this and other forums. You have admitted to many of these lies.

kewlJ has also been caught in a lot of lies over time, both on this forum and elsewhere. Therefore, it is unclear if he really makes much (or anything) playing blackjack these days.

kewlJ is basically the Boy Who Cried Wolf of these AP forums. He has lied so many times that it's impossible to believe any stories he tells.

This guy really is a baffoonish troll. He knows nothing about the subject of this thread, and yet he can't help hijack it with his continuing stalking agenda.

I guess that should come as no surprise, as he knows little about any kind of gambling and nothing about what it takes to win long-term. If he has an area in gambling that maybe he has a little knowledge about it would be playing the comp game pretty well. He probably gets more comps that he otherwise would for his LOSSES.

THAT is the extent of his gambling knowledge or expertise, getting a liitle more over-valued comps, in excahnege for his real money losses. Color me impressed.

[accountinquestion]

When Dan look at ip addresses it says - officeofonlinecasinosecurity.bookmaker.com

[kewlJ]

When Dan look at ip addresses it says - officeofonlinecasinosecurity.bookmaker.com

I am sure Druff's comments made a while ago, where more about B&M casinos, probably here in Vegas. But you would have to ask him.

I don't think a B&M casino or chain of casinos like let's just say MGM, has people who's sole job it is to scour social media and gambling forums. But there are people that work for them that may visit this or other forums, maybe even on their own time. I have a friend that works for that particular chain that visits this forum occasionally. I think mostly from home, but he may very well have visited on his break from an IP address that would have been a casino. I have no idea.

Now the databases companies, I do believe have people, maybe only one or two that monitors online sources for any information that can be helpful to them. That is their business.

What I can tell you is that when I was doxxed, (which the primary doxxing occurred on another site not here, but some of the information was repeated here), there was a piece of information that was incorrect, that turned up in a database entry. That is a "marker" or proof of where it came from.

[MDawg]

I do find it hard to believe that a guy who's admittedly only given minimal action gets 21k in bonuses with only a 4.7 x rollover. No need to tell me you get better deals when negotiating with your account manager, I bet I told you that in the first place.

I have seen upwards of 20k+ losses and they are unwilling to give even 1k in deposit bonuses with less than a 10x rollover. Yet you, a small bettor managed to get 21k in bonuses with an average of 4.7 x wagering requirements. That's mostly unheard of today on any of the top 20 offshore joints. Obviously a complete big gambling degenerate might get something special. I don’t believe you are telling the whole story here.

[kewlJ]

I do find it hard to believe that a guy who's admittedly only given minimal action gets 21k in bonuses with only a 4.7 x rollover. No need to tell me you get better deals when negotiating with your account manager, I bet I told you that in the first place.

I have seen upwards of 20k+ losses and they are unwilling to give even 1k in deposit bonuses with less than a 10x rollover. Yet you, a small bettor managed to get 21k in bonuses with an average of 4.7 x wagering requirements. That's mostly unheard of today on any of the top 20 offshore joints. Obviously a complete big gambling degenerate might get something special. I don’t believe you are telling the whole story here.

Look fucktard (Mdawg not Axelwolf), I am not going to keep going over the same topics again and again. Especially at this particular time.

I know that is what YOU do, post some lie, and keep repeating and repeating and repeating it. Count me out.

But I am still waiting to hear or read you explain the EV of your recent $200k+ winning Vegas trip?

[MDawg]

Unfortunately, you change/insert major details, and then end up claiming things which sound unlikely/impossible, which then leads to people putting in the work to disprove it, which then leads to you first acting outraged for being questioned, and then ultimately admitting you fibbed.

It's been the same song for years. Nobody else seems to have this issue on these gambling/AP forums. Ever wonder why?

[jdaewoo]

Why is this retard posting in a sportsbetting forum? The retard knows LOL nothing about sportsbetting.

[kewlJ]

Why is this retard posting in a sportsbetting forum? The retard knows LOL nothing about sportsbetting.

Well what does he know about? Anything in regards to gambling?

I give him the benefit of doubt that he knows how the comp system works (for a losing player), but there are some on this forum that believe most of the comps he gets aren't even from his own play. I am not going to get int that, because I don't know or care that much, but I do have to ask what has he posted that shows an understanding of anything gambling related, let alone was beneficial to anyone else?

[MDawg]

UNKewlJ often rants, crying his eyes out about how "that's NOT the way things are done" - whining with cheese about the way comps work or don't work in Vegas (when he's never been comp'ed much of anything beyond a hot dog) or whining without cheese about how high rollers are treated or not treated in Vegas when he obviously has no idea.

[kewlJ]

I may not be the high roller or "highER roller" mini whale type losing player that you are. But I and most real players KNOW how things work. This is my (our) business. And we know when we read a bunch of bullshit.

Casinos comp losing players like you in exchange for over-valued comps and rooms/suites. END of fucking story!!

As soon as one of you retards starts trying to claim you win (long-term) on top, you might as well be claiming to flap your arms and fly.

[MDawg]

North Vegas is where you go when you've fucked up once too often on the Strip, and when you're not even welcome in the cut-rate downtown places around Casino Center.
This is Nevada's answer to East St. Louis - a slum and a graveyard, last stop before permanent exile to Ely or Winnemuca. North Vegas is where you go if you're a hooker turning thirty and the syndicate men on the Strip decide you're no longer much good for business out there with the high rollers .. . or if you're a pimp with bad credit at the Venetian . . . or what they still call, in Vegas, "a hophead." This can mean almost anything from a mean drunk to a junkie, but in terms of commercial acceptability, it means you're finished in all the right places.

The big hotels and casinos pay a lot of muscle to make sure high rollers like MDawg don't have even momentary hassles with "undesirables." Security in a place like the Wynn is super tense and strict. Probably a third of the people on the floor at a given time are either shills or watchdogs. Public drunks like AxelWolf known male hustlers like UNKewlJ are dealt with instantly - hustled out to the parking lot by Secret Service type thugs and given an impersonal lecture about the cost of dental work and of trying to make a living with two broken arms.

[Keystone]

North Vegas is where you go when you've fucked up once too often on the Strip, and when you're not even welcome in the cut-rate downtown places around Casino Center.
This is Nevada's answer to East St. Louis - a slum and a graveyard, last stop before permanent exile to Ely or Winnemuca. North Vegas is where you go if you're a hooker turning thirty and the syndicate men on the Strip decide you're no longer much good for business out there with the high rollers .. . or if you're a pimp with bad credit at the Venetian . . . or what they still call, in Vegas, "a hophead." This can mean almost anything from a mean drunk to a junkie, but in terms of commercial acceptability, it means you're finished in all the right places.

The big hotels and casinos pay a lot of muscle to make sure high rollers like MDawg don't have even momentary hassles with "undesirables." Security in a place like the Wynn is super tense and strict. Probably a third of the people on the floor at a given time are either shills or watchdogs. Public drunks like AxelWolf known male hustlers like UNKewlJ are dealt with instantly - hustled out to the parking lot by Secret Service type thugs and given an impersonal lecture about the cost of dental work and of trying to make a living with two broken arms.

This sand nigger watches too many movies

[kewlJ]

A major book isn't paying you?
Are they any of the places that have been mentioned above?
What is their reasoning?

Ok here is what happened. the sportsbook is youwager. I started my latest cycle just into the football season. decent bonus, but not as good as they had given me previous cycles. I played through the rollover requirements at only a very small loss eating into the bonus, which should have resulted in a nice little profit.

When I requested a payout last week, it was denied. Initially no explanation given. Upon calling and going through several representative, I was told the bonus was given by mistake, that I shouldn't have been eligible for that bonus received. I don't know what the fuck that is supposed to mean. After some back and forth he agreed that I could withdraw my original deposit, with no bonus money, less the small loss registered playing the rollover, but I had to do so in 2 payout transactions, and pay $40 each, when I should have been entitled to free payouts.

So they stole the bonus money that I had already earned playing the rollover and then nickle/dimed me $80 for payouts on top. I did receive the first of the two payouts. So basically just a big waste of time these last 3 months with that sports book.

This kind of thing is what I feared, and why I was so hesitant to get involved in off shore books. Well I guess I feared even worse, that one of the books would steal even my original deposit, as well as reneg on the bonus. But still.

So question for you Axel or anyone that has been at this much longer than I have. How common is this type of shit? And I guess I was too aggressive in what I was doing, not really trying to hide it. I figured, I was meeting their requirements, why did I need to try to camouflage what I was doing. For context, this was my 5th cycle with this book.