EV: the difference between the real APs and the poser dawgs.

[MDawg]

Put your money where your mouth is, I bet I can get a check cut for unverified wins.

Hold everything. Turn off the AI responder for a minute.



THIS is and ALWAYS HAS been the wager surrounding that. Not your bullshit getting a check for a stupid sports wager nonsense.

YES OR NO, jerk off. And you know I never PM'ed you or anyone else about voting in theywontpayontuesday's poll, so that already makes you a liar. Or drunken. Or both.



I'll be in Vegas perhaps as soon as tomorrow. Or soon. I can deposit $25,000. with Wizard anytime you say.

Yes or no?

No more B.S. offering to buy Wizard's watch sight unseen then backing out like you did. No more altering terms of a wager after we already agreed on it like you've done. Too much of that weaselly behavior from you over the years.

If you think you can accomplish the above wager (Wizard already offered to put up some of the money AGAINST you on this one) let me know.



You're out of your element Wolf. You know damn well you've never gotten a cage check for a table game win in your entire life. You're just a low end has been who likes to flap his gums (especially when he's drunken, which is according to your own associates, about 80% of the time) whether he knows what he is talking about or not.

I doubt you are even capable of reading this entire post due to your ADHD let alone comprehending it.

[AxelWolf]

Put your money where your mouth is, I bet I can get a check cut for unverified wins.

Hold everything. Turn off the AI responder for a minute.



THIS is and ALWAYS HAS been the wager surrounding that. Not your bullshit getting a check for a stupid sports wager nonsense.

YES OR NO, jerk off. And you know I never PM'ed you or anyone else about voting in theywontpayontuesday's poll, so that already makes you a liar. Or drunk. Or both.



I'll be in Vegas perhaps as soon as tomorrow. Or soon. I can deposit $25,000. with Wizard anytime you say.

Yes or no?

No more B.S. offering to buy Wizard's watch then backing out. No more altering terms of a wager after we already agreed on it. Too much of that weaselly behavior from you. If you think you can accomplish the above wager (Wizard already offered to put up some of the money AGAINST you on this one) let me know.

I don't care what the wizard bets against, you do realize he's lost many bets to me?


I'm pretty sure you're the one that backed out of that one, and it wasn't the original bet, I'm pretty sure you're the one who put a bunch of stipulations after the fact. I do believe that Mike tipped you off and even advised you not to take the bet.

As far as the watch, You were the weasel who purposely didn't correct Mike on the amount he said was offered for the watch I was absolutely willing to pay the amount you actually offered him, and I was still willing to do so. I didn't ask to get out of buying the watch. Mike said I'll give you a choice if you want to watch or not because of the mix-up that you didn't correct properly. It's all right there for people to see, please post entire conversations instead of cherry-picking like you're always doing. Yeah, I'm pretty sure a couple of people called you out as being weasley for that move.



Anyone can go back and look at the challenge we had going and see how you kept changing the goalpost and wouldn't commit to anything. I bent over backward to accommodate the situation for you to accept the bet. If I recall correctly you said I couldn't use real photos and I couldn't use fake photos to prove something can be faked. How fucking retarded is that?

Dude, you were the one that got suspended and never put up any money in escrow for anything. If I remember it was your buddy coach who you claim advised you not to put up any money.

[kewlJ]

Shouldn't be getting back roomed? I guess that's what happens when you know how to legitimately beat casinos.
And the truth of the matter is...I've actually managed to avoid being 86ed much less than most of the people playing the same things over the same period of oftentimes even on the same plays. Considering the fact that I was in Griffin I managed to do pretty good avoiding detection.

Amen to this. Minimizing backoffs, backroom and 86ed are the key to winning advantage play now. ALL the advancements on the casino end have come in detecting and identifying advantage players. Even with all the new AP opportunities in things like slots, as well as new table games, you can't win if you can't play. An AP today has got to find ways to stay in the game.

And that doesn't necessarily mean "tricking" casino surveillance or personnel. Just as important, even more important to me, is identifying style of play, session limits and betting limits that are better tolerated. You can't eliminate backoffs, heat, 86ing, as it is part of doing business as an AP. but you can minimize it. I cannot emphasize enough that for me and I believe all types of advantage play now, this is paramount.

And that is why when you read some story about a guy winning large amounts of money and casinos not caring, it is just fantasy. It isn't real.

[kewlJ]

Here is the thing about Dawgs casino check thing. I am not real familiar with casino checks. I try to avoid any kind of interaction like that, as most AP's would. Who requests a check for winnings? -EV (losing type players). So Dawg may be right about what he claims that you can only get check for winnings part of a payout. And at the same time Axelwolf is almost assuredly right that there are ways around that. There is ALWAYS a way around things.

But here is the thing about that whole casino check thing. Dawg is using that to try to claim something that it doesn't mean. Basically the same as he does with pictures of chips. Neither chips nor a casino check proves that player won anything, except for that day or session.

Again, player loses 20k day 1, loses 20k day 2, wins 32k day 3. But on day 3 he requests a check for his "winnings" posts a picture as proof he has won, despite that he is down 8k. Just about everything with this guy is a scam or manipulation. There is no evidence....ZERO that this guy is any kind of a (long-term) winning player. BUT there are buckets and buckets of evidence that he is not. So he or anyone else that wants to go along with his pretend stuff, go ahead. BUT you aren't fooling anyone. (except maybe tasha)

[MDawg]

Wolf, that is the precise wager, and that is the exact screenshot of it, it has always been that, and nothing else. Do you accept the wager or not? As soon as you do, I can put up the $25K.

In the same way that it is inconceivable that UNKewlJ could possibly function within a casino environment, other than as a male prostitute (and even there he ends up with broken arms and blackened eyes regularly), I am sure that you function at casinos despite yourself - in other words, just like your associates have illustrated, you forget things constantly and ruin the bottom line, but end up somehow ahead, though not nearly as far ahead as you could. Alcoholism and dementia are indeed progressive diseases. You need to retire - good thinking, you're ready for pasture, you never were that sharp to begin with and you certainly are not now. If anything, what you prove is how stupid casinos are to allow someone like you to get over on them. But hell, if someone like DarkOz can do it, you're at least more intelligent than he is, so why could not you? But keep in mind that D.Oz isn't getting less functional by the year as you are, with your progressive diseases. He's no dumber today than he ever was.

UNKewlJ though brings up the decided rear in terms of not just brains but also emotional and physical stability, he is classic street born street prostitute material.

[MDawg]

And now back to our regularly scheduled program.

[MDawg]

Given that he's tried so hard to convince us that he lives in those Panorama Towers, the only reason he failed to produce the swimming pool / surfboard picture from those Towers, is because neither is available to him. All concocted lies from a compulsive liar.

[kewlJ]

Another Mdawg lie!

I never tried to convince anyone that I lived at this location. Moses was the first to discover where I lived, by asking members of different forums, for which that sock puppet was banned for. Then you came along claiming you had hired someone to find where I lived, but in reality, were almost assuredly given the information by Moses. And you publicly doxed me with that information. And then you and Moses both repeated it a hundred times on 3 different forums, including here.

During all that time, I just kept saying no, no, no. Finally, after 100 times and the information showing up in my database entry, I just stopped denying it.

And then, having doxed me as to where I live, you, you stinky Arab did an about face and started claiming I was homeless. You are just a fucked up troll of a person. A very small person indeed.

And why? Because I, someone who plays for a living and knows how things work, don't believe you stupid, made, up fantasy story. GROW THE FUCK UP!!

[AxelWolf]

Wolf, that is the precise wager, and that is the exact screenshot of it, it has always been that, and nothing else. Do you accept the wager or not? As soon as you do, I can put up the $25K.

In the same way that it is inconceivable that UNKewlJ could possibly function within a casino environment, other than as a male prostitute (and even there he ends up with broken arms and blackened eyes regularly), I am sure that you function at casinos despite yourself - in other words, just like your associates have illustrated, you forget things constantly and ruin the bottom line, but end up somehow ahead, though not nearly as far ahead as you could. Alcoholism and dementia are indeed progressive diseases. You need to retire - good thinking, you're ready for pasture, you never were that sharp to begin with and you certainly are not now. If anything, what you prove is how stupid casinos are to allow someone like you to get over on them. But hell, if someone like DarkOz can do it, you're at least more intelligent than he is, so why could not you? But keep in mind that D.Oz isn't getting less functional by the year as you are, with your progressive diseases. He's no dumber today than he ever was.

UNKewlJ though brings up the decided rear in terms of not just brains but also emotional and physical stability, he is classic street born street prostitute material.

Before I waste my time looking, I don't care what the precise wager YOU proposed AFTER the original statements(and the point of the challenge/bet) of what I said I could do, and was willing to bet on. If you change the goalposts at all from what I originally indicated, then I have the right to say thanks, but no thanks, or in your case, fuck off weasel.

[MDawg]

Anytime Wolf rambles on and on you may bet he’s either kidding or lying. Or drunken.

[MDawg]

The UNKewl one is his own worst enemy. He doxxes himself!

[AxelWolf]

And I have a question for you. Did or didn't Mike suggest you not take or accept a bet/ challenge from me while indicating that I could very well win that bet in a way that you hadn't thought of?

And if not Mike, did someone else do so?

[MDawg]

At no time was I ever handed a copy of the CTR. Many times you don't even know (or care) that they're filling one out. It's between the casino or financial institution and the feds.

So if Axel asked a forum member to post a copy of his CTR as proof of a big table game win, then his question indicates that Axel doesn't know too much about CTRs...correct?

And since Axel implied that a big table game winner would be presented with a CTR, then that indicates that Axel hasn't had a big table game win...right?

[kewlJ]

In the above quoted post, I think coach belly is confusing a CTR with a SAR.

The Cash Transaction report is not done in secret to the person the report is filed on. As a matter of fact, casinos or banks need certain information on the reportee, that they obtain by asking for ID ect. Without that information which is obtained with co-operation with the reportee, a report cannot be filed. (banks probably already have the info, casino less likely to). And because it is not secret or unknown to the person the report is filed on they have a right to request a copy, if they desire one. I don't think a copy is provided without requesting it.

Now the SAR or suspicious activity report is almost opposite. That report filed for the lesser transaction amount of $3000 or more, is done in secrecy. (which makes no sense). The person the report is filed about will not know about it. And if they don't have identification information the report is still filed with as much information as available.

So it is very possible that Axelwolf or any other table game player requested a copy of the report. I believe I received two of those reports in 2011/2012 era, before deciding to handle things a little differently working with a chip inventory which reduced or eliminated many cash out. And that isn't structuring. My purpose of a chip inventory is not to avoid any kind of threshold involving reports, but rather other legit reasons involving advantage play. Just so happens the benefit is less reports filed.

So, surprise, surprise. Coach Belly doesn't know what he is talking about.

[kewlJ]

Of the two, I have always thought a SAR a little more problematic just because it is filed in secrecy. But a player really should have a good idea when a report has been filed and both types are easily explainable for any player recreational to AP that plays regularly at a certain level.

There is another problem with the SAR and that is that filing such a report is at the discretion of a fairly low-level employee. Yes, there is a monetary guideline, but it really comes down to if that person filing the reports feels there is anything suspicious or possibly suspicious. So the exact same set of circumstances could result in a report filed from one such employee and no report filed from another. Just weird.

Some of this information may have changed. I believe reporting procedures changed a bit during the Obama administration going to more electronic reporting. But at the time I received a couple reports in the 2011 or 12, this was how my financial guy explained it to me.

[MDawg]

UNKewlJ is even more of a lying moron and clueless about casino procedures than Wolf.

Neither a CTR nor SAR is anything that is disclosed or handed to the person about whom the report is filed so everything UNKewlJ just wrote above establishes even further that whatever he claims to have done is fantasy as he continues to lift bits and pieces from things he heard about or read about. And in this case, heard wrong.

UNKewlJ who never in his life has seen anywhere near ten grand in cash in one place just assumes that because (again, something he read about never experienced himself) any player who withdraws or deposits (including puts into play in a single session) anywhere near ten thousand in cash is required to disclose personal identifying information must therefore know a CTR has been filed (and be able to obtain a copy of it ).

That UNKewlJ is not precisely aware of this confirms further that MaxPen and AxelWolf are right about the UNKewl small time red to green play because if FraudJ ever played even medium limit tables he’d have by now many times over seen players approaching that ten K limit for a single session who hadn’t already on file and were asked for their personal identifying information. That he’s unfamiliar and grasping at straws about all this means he’s just a low end player playing for sugar daddy ploy cover exactly the way MaxPen said.

It is also nonsense that anyone’s “financial guy” would be aware intrinsically of SARs filed against his client. If it gets to that point that you’re actually aware of specific SARs that have been filed against you you’re probably under audit or indictment.

DRich at WOV who has worked that side of this as a casino employee in fact verified that both of these CTRs and SARs are filed in secret and are not something ever handed to or available as hard copy for the person against whom they are filed. Not that I needed his confirmation of this I already know this. Of course, given that FraudJ is already prone to fabricating hard copy in his mendacious mind like the nonexistent player records he never had, this nonsense coming from his wide loose mouth is no surprise.

This dude is a fraud. He just tries to piece together things that he imagines goes on based on a culmination of bits and pieces of stories he pulls from the Internet. Clown world.

[MDawg]

Now as the pre-market opens and MDawg gets busy with money making, watch UNKewlJ come with the revisionist version of what he already blew above....

Compulsive liar is a fair assessment of what he is. If people go back and look at your last few stories they will see a trend in you always changing the story after you get caught lying.

[tableplay]

I ain't be knownen some maths goods, but ids it a little over 42%?

Yes. And the probability of rolling exactly one 6 in 3 rolls (i.e. not two or three sixes) is 34.7% .

[MisterV]

There is another problem with the SAR and that is that filing such a report is at the discretion of a fairly low-level employee. Yes, there is a monetary guideline, but it really comes down to if that person filing the reports feels there is anything suspicious or possibly suspicious. So the exact same set of circumstances could result in a report filed from one such employee and no report filed from another. Just weird.

Ah ha, I sniff out a possibility here.

Assume the player wants to engage in suspicious activity of this sort without detection, for whatever reason.

Might they not get away with a suspicious transaction by having a confederate working at the cashier cage and per agreement the confederate handles the transaction and chooses not to file the SAR or CTR?

That could work if the clerk has complete discretion, but I have to think their supervisor might raise an eye lid or two if they catch wind of the failure to report.

Whatever, if it could work then it's a sure thing that some folks have done it.

[kewlJ]

It is also nonsense that anyone’s “financial guy” would be aware intrinsically of SARs filed against his client. If it gets to that point that you’re actually aware of specific SARs that have been filed against you you’re probably under audit or indictment.

DRich at WOV who has worked that side of this as a casino employee in fact verified that both of these CTRs and SARs are filed in secret and are not something ever handed to or available as hard copy for the person against whom they are filed. Not that I needed his confirmation of this I already know this. Of course, given that FraudJ is already prone to fabricating hard copy in his mendacious mind like the nonexistent player records he never had, this nonsense coming from his wide loose mouth is no surprise.

CTR do NOT fall under the same "gag order" or are done in the secrecy as SAR. Again, this doesn't make a lot of sense, but I don't write the rules. The person the report is filed on has a right to request a copy of the CTR. Maybe you should look up the regulations again, pooch. Some banks will even charge a fee for providing the report to the person, especially if the request is made after the fact. So, if Drich wants to claim his casino didn't provide a copy to someone that requested it, then someone there didn't understand the rules.

A don't have a lot of experience with it (only 2 that I remember or am aware of), but my financial guy does. He works with several players that play for a living. And yes, I had an examination with IRS a while back which is when this was explained in detail.

So fuck off Mr know it all, or pretends to. If you are going to stick to this story, you are 100% wrong.