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    Remember mega-mega-megawhale Terrance Watanabe?

    He was heir to the fortune generated by his dad, founder of mail order giant Oriental Trading Company.

    Unlike his business-savvy dad, Terrance was a pill-addicted, drunken moron, who was not only a megastakes compulsive gambler, but also made some of the dumbest decisions at table games in casino history. He was literally free money for the casinos.

    After being kicked out by Steve Wynn from the Wynn for being a problem gambler, Caesars scooped him up and won $127 million off of him in 2007. He also lost an additional $60m on credit. He and Caesars sued each other. Watanabe claimed Caesars violated gaming violations by getting him super drunk and acquiring drugs for him, so he'd continue to shoot off his cash (probably true). Caesars claimed that he falsified having $60m more behind than he actually did, and obtained that credit under false pretenses (also probably true). At the end, both sides dropped it, and Watanabe slinked away in shame, broke as a joke, but not owing anything further.

    Caesars also created a ranking above Seven Stars called "Chairman" for Watanabe, as he complained that Seven Stars wasn't exclusive enough. He was the only one to ever hold the rank of "Chairman", which has since been retired.

    Well, it's not the 2000s anymore, and we have a new Terrance Watanabe!!

    Except this guy is a lot more talented, and a lot more famous!

    https://twitter.com/#!/x/status/1896327385622139306

    Sounds like we haven’t heard the last of Bruno Mars’ gambling saga at MGM Resorts.

    Mars has reportedly stopped gambling at MGM casinos due to a potential lawsuit against the company for “taking advantage of him” by repeatedly extending his credit leading to losses exceeding $100 million.

    MGM previously denied he had gambling debt with the company (the technical term is “ass covering”).

    Pinky Ring is presumably part of his arrangement to pay back losses, Mars is obligated to perform there, which we’re told he isn’t thrilled about. Rumors gonna rumor, but this is one to watch.

    "Pinky Ring" referred to above is a nightclub at Bellagio, themed around Bruno Mars.



    Was Bruno Mars really stupid enough to lose $100m+ at -EV games at MGM properties?

    This story isn't new, but it's getting traction again given the recent rumors. In March 2024, this Variety article detailed the situation with Mars, with both MGM and Mars denying the problem gambling rumors.

    Back then, it was said that Mars made $90m from his residencies at MGM properties, but lost $50m back to MGM from his gambling. At the time, MGM made this statement to Variety:

    We’re proud of our relationship with Bruno Mars, one of the world’s most thrilling and dynamic performers.

    From his shows at Dolby Live at Park MGM to the new Pinky Ring lounge at Bellagio, Bruno’s brand of entertainment attracts visitors from around the globe. MGM and Bruno’s partnership is longstanding and rooted in mutual respect. Any speculation otherwise is completely false; he has no debt with MGM.

    Together, we are excited to continue creating unforgettable experiences for our guests.
    Note that MGM only stated that he has "no debt with MGM". At the time, perhaps he didn't have debt -- but had just lost back most of his earnings. Now it's said that he has debt from additional gambling, totaling $100m+ in losses.
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    Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    Remember mega-mega-megawhale Terrance Watanabe?

    He was heir to the fortune generated by his dad, founder of mail order giant Oriental Trading Company.

    Unlike his business-savvy dad, Terrance was a pill-addicted, drunken moron, who was not only a megastakes compulsive gambler, but also made some of the dumbest decisions at table games in casino history. He was literally free money for the casinos.

    After being kicked out by Steve Wynn from the Wynn for being a problem gambler, Caesars scooped him up and won $127 million off of him in 2007. He also lost an additional $60m on credit. He and Caesars sued each other. Watanabe claimed Caesars violated gaming violations by getting him super drunk and acquiring drugs for him, so he'd continue to shoot off his cash (probably true). Caesars claimed that he falsified having $60m more behind than he actually did, and obtained that credit under false pretenses (also probably true). At the end, both sides dropped it, and Watanabe slinked away in shame, broke as a joke, but not owing anything further.

    Caesars also created a ranking above Seven Stars called "Chairman" for Watanabe, as he complained that Seven Stars wasn't exclusive enough. He was the only one to ever hold the rank of "Chairman", which has since been retired.

    Well, it's not the 2000s anymore, and we have a new Terrance Watanabe!!

    Except this guy is a lot more talented, and a lot more famous!

    https://twitter.com/#!/x/status/1896327385622139306

    Sounds like we haven’t heard the last of Bruno Mars’ gambling saga at MGM Resorts.

    Mars has reportedly stopped gambling at MGM casinos due to a potential lawsuit against the company for “taking advantage of him” by repeatedly extending his credit leading to losses exceeding $100 million.

    MGM previously denied he had gambling debt with the company (the technical term is “ass covering”).

    Pinky Ring is presumably part of his arrangement to pay back losses, Mars is obligated to perform there, which we’re told he isn’t thrilled about. Rumors gonna rumor, but this is one to watch.

    "Pinky Ring" referred to above is a nightclub at Bellagio, themed around Bruno Mars.



    Was Bruno Mars really stupid enough to lose $100m+ at -EV games at MGM properties?

    This story isn't new, but it's getting traction again given the recent rumors. In March 2024, this Variety article detailed the situation with Mars, with both MGM and Mars denying the problem gambling rumors.

    Back then, it was said that Mars made $90m from his residencies at MGM properties, but lost $50m back to MGM from his gambling. At the time, MGM made this statement to Variety:

    We’re proud of our relationship with Bruno Mars, one of the world’s most thrilling and dynamic performers.

    From his shows at Dolby Live at Park MGM to the new Pinky Ring lounge at Bellagio, Bruno’s brand of entertainment attracts visitors from around the globe. MGM and Bruno’s partnership is longstanding and rooted in mutual respect. Any speculation otherwise is completely false; he has no debt with MGM.

    Together, we are excited to continue creating unforgettable experiences for our guests.
    Note that MGM only stated that he has "no debt with MGM". At the time, perhaps he didn't have debt -- but had just lost back most of his earnings. Now it's said that he has debt from additional gambling, totaling $100m+ in losses.
    Well at the very least Bruno Mars could afford it & sustain it longer than Terrance Watanabe.

    The demand for tickets to his shows is insane. At least the ones I’ve been aware of.

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    These stories make me wonder: who is or was the "most degenerate gambler" in the history of casino gambling?

    These two have to be listed toward the top due to the amount of money involved, yet my vote would go to Nick the Greek Dandolos, who claims to have won and lost 73 fortunes, and / or over $500 Million in his lifetime.

    A wonderful "rags to riches X 73" story to warm the cockles of our hearts.
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    Originally Posted by MisterV View Post
    These stories make me wonder: who is or was the "most degenerate gambler" in the history of casino gambling?

    These two have to be listed toward the top due to the amount of money involved, yet my vote would go to Nick the Greek Dandolos, who claims to have won and lost 73 fortunes, and / or over $500 Million in his lifetime.

    A wonderful "rags to riches X 73" story to warm the cockles of our hearts.
    He's this guy.. I remember the quote but would not have guessed it was him.

    Near the end of his life, Dandolos was near-broke and playing $5 limit draw poker games in Gardena, California. When asked by a fellow player how he could once play for millions and now be playing for such small stakes, Dandolos supposedly replied, "Hey, it's action, isn't it?".

    One thing weird about gambling is what it means to lose. Was he given 500 million that went away? You can churn through 100s of thousands of dollars fairly easily as a medium stake online poker player. If you added up every lost pot, many many people have surpassed 500 million. "losing" isn't nearly as well defined as most people think. But same thing with every form of gambling really. If I win 100 million and lose it back? Did I lose 100 million? If thats true then why not 300 million? It really matters on the frequency of one's sampling - if that matters.

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    Celine had the same problem with her deceased husband. As did Elvis with Col. Tom Parker.
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    Originally Posted by jpfromla View Post
    Celine had the same problem with her deceased husband. As did Elvis with Col. Tom Parker.
    Reportedly, Col. Tom lost 30 million to the International and Elvis played to pay.
    Keep your friends close, keep your drinks closer...

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    One nice side effect of doing AP is that when you run into cold streaks & experience how hard it can be to win when you are playing with an advantage yet running very bad, it tends to cure you of wanted to degen on negative EV gambling.

    For some anyway. For others it tilts them into negative EV gambling to try to turn it around.

    Or sometimes it does both to the same person at different times.

    But if you are a true degenerate it’s the thrill of the action that motivates you not necessarily the results, unless the results are so bad that it puts you out of action completely.

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    Originally Posted by pinchingyourballs View Post
    Can Mars pay off his casino debt by doing a residency, like indentured servitude?
    I'm pretty sure that Bruno Mars can pay his Casino debt with his Royalties. Bruno is EXTREMELY popular in Music and HIGHLY relevant. He's not some has been one hit wonder from about 40 years ago like Right Said Fred. I could see a one hit wonder like Right Said Fred blowing big money in a Casino and having to do a Residency to pay their debts, bit NOT Bruno Mars.
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    Originally Posted by Tasha View Post
    Originally Posted by pinchingyourballs View Post
    Can Mars pay off his casino debt by doing a residency, like indentured servitude?
    I'm pretty sure that Bruno Mars can pay his Casino debt with his Royalties. Bruno is EXTREMELY popular in Music and HIGHLY relevant. He's not some has been one hit wonder from about 40 years ago like Right Said Fred. I could see a one hit wonder like Right Said Fred blowing big money in a Casino and having to do a Residency to pay their debts, bit NOT Bruno Mars.
    Total credit to you for bringing up Right Said Fred!

    That said he is reported to have a Net Worth of 5 million, not too bad for a One Hit Wonder.

    https://www.celebritynetworth.com/ri...ass-net-worth/

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    Originally Posted by Tasha View Post
    Originally Posted by pinchingyourballs View Post
    Can Mars pay off his casino debt by doing a residency, like indentured servitude?
    I'm pretty sure that Bruno Mars can pay his Casino debt with his Royalties. Bruno is EXTREMELY popular in Music and HIGHLY relevant. He's not some has been one hit wonder from about 40 years ago like Right Said Fred. I could see a one hit wonder like Right Said Fred blowing big money in a Casino and having to do a Residency to pay their debts, bit NOT Bruno Mars.
    According to this...

    https://www.celebritynetworth.com/ri...ars-net-worth/

    about $175 million. Big bucks with huge expenses. His manager, accountants, lawyers take 20-30%. Taxes 30 - 40%. Production costs ???? It all adds up. If he creates and owns his recordings, that is a long term revenue stream for him.

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    Someone should have told Terrance it's much cheaper to make Chairman at Stations.

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    Originally Posted by jpfromla View Post
    Originally Posted by Tasha View Post
    Originally Posted by pinchingyourballs View Post
    Can Mars pay off his casino debt by doing a residency, like indentured servitude?
    I'm pretty sure that Bruno Mars can pay his Casino debt with his Royalties. Bruno is EXTREMELY popular in Music and HIGHLY relevant. He's not some has been one hit wonder from about 40 years ago like Right Said Fred. I could see a one hit wonder like Right Said Fred blowing big money in a Casino and having to do a Residency to pay their debts, bit NOT Bruno Mars.
    According to this...

    https://www.celebritynetworth.com/ri...ars-net-worth/

    about $175 million. Big bucks with huge expenses. His manager, accountants, lawyers take 20-30%. Taxes 30 - 40%. Production costs ???? It all adds up. If he creates and owns his recordings, that is a long term revenue stream for him.

    Remember MC Hammer.
    I did some calculations, calculated taxes, manager, accounts, and lawyer expenses, and his production cost and Bruno Mars has a CASH net worth of only $35 Million, OUCH! Out of that 35 Million, he has his living expenses, let's say his house, his food, transportation, cell phone bills, electricity, clothes, shoes, toiletries, water, entertainment, charity, etc is half of his cash net worth, he has only 17 million left! :Eek: It's easy to see how "Wealthy," people end up being broke.
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    Originally Posted by Tasha View Post
    Originally Posted by jpfromla View Post
    Originally Posted by Tasha View Post

    I'm pretty sure that Bruno Mars can pay his Casino debt with his Royalties. Bruno is EXTREMELY popular in Music and HIGHLY relevant. He's not some has been one hit wonder from about 40 years ago like Right Said Fred. I could see a one hit wonder like Right Said Fred blowing big money in a Casino and having to do a Residency to pay their debts, bit NOT Bruno Mars.
    According to this...

    https://www.celebritynetworth.com/ri...ars-net-worth/

    about $175 million. Big bucks with huge expenses. His manager, accountants, lawyers take 20-30%. Taxes 30 - 40%. Production costs ???? It all adds up. If he creates and owns his recordings, that is a long term revenue stream for him.

    Remember MC Hammer.
    I did some calculations, calculated taxes, manager, accounts, and lawyer expenses, and his production cost and Bruno Mars has a CASH net worth of only $35 Million, OUCH! Out of that 35 Million, he has his living expenses, let's say his house, his food, transportation, cell phone bills, electricity, clothes, shoes, toiletries, water, entertainment, charity, etc is half of his cash net worth, he has only 17 million left! :Eek: It's easy to see how "Wealthy," people end up being broke.
    Yes having a net worth of only $35 Million is a real tough pill to swallow.

    As you pointed out it’s even worse when your cell phone bills, toiletries, water bill etc. total up to $17 Million.

    On the plus side, since he is so well known, he can at least start up a Go Fund Me page so he doesn’t end up naked and starving in the streets.

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    Many celebrities and sports figures have been ruined by Vegas. Mike Tyson dumped most of his fortune at Steve Wynn private blackjack tables at the Golden Nugget. Dennis Rodham went broke at that time playing mountains of chips at the Hard Rock Vegas.

    Nowadays you figure someone like Drake or Bruno Mars earns so much that he could never go under, but once the money stops coming it, ruin is certainly possible.

    As far as Watanabe, from what some of the Caesars pit bosses have told me, he was prevert who would hit on the young male dealers with the crudest propositions. Yes, something like UNKewlJ with no bankroll. And Watanabe was actually playing, while UNKewlJ is just there for cover, mindlessly pushing some red and green chips around.
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    Ted Ngoy - The Donut King was another one (lots of these stories)
    If you ever ate a donut in Socal from an independently owned donut shop, you can thank Ted.
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    Same thing with John Birges Sr. the guy who blew Harvey’s Lake Tahoe in 1980

    Had been a millionaire from a landscaping business he owned but blew most of his fortune there.

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    Originally Posted by Tasha View Post
    Originally Posted by jpfromla View Post
    Originally Posted by Tasha View Post

    I'm pretty sure that Bruno Mars can pay his Casino debt with his Royalties. Bruno is EXTREMELY popular in Music and HIGHLY relevant. He's not some has been one hit wonder from about 40 years ago like Right Said Fred. I could see a one hit wonder like Right Said Fred blowing big money in a Casino and having to do a Residency to pay their debts, bit NOT Bruno Mars.
    According to this...

    https://www.celebritynetworth.com/ri...ars-net-worth/

    about $175 million. Big bucks with huge expenses. His manager, accountants, lawyers take 20-30%. Taxes 30 - 40%. Production costs ???? It all adds up. If he creates and owns his recordings, that is a long term revenue stream for him.

    Remember MC Hammer.
    I did some calculations, calculated taxes, manager, accounts, and lawyer expenses, and his production cost and Bruno Mars has a CASH net worth of only $35 Million, OUCH! Out of that 35 Million, he has his living expenses, let's say his house, his food, transportation, cell phone bills, electricity, clothes, shoes, toiletries, water, entertainment, charity, etc is half of his cash net worth, he has only 17 million left! :Eek: It's easy to see how "Wealthy," people end up being broke.
    You're a degenerate idiot. Why would anyone care what you think inside that nappy-headed ho brick of yours?

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