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    Originally Posted by ZenKinG View Post
    You think guys like grosjean wrote 'Beyond counting" for legacy purposes? His magical plays were worth so much that hes willing to basically, but not completely teach you basically everything about it other than actually doing it, which through a bit of networking anyone can do. He's not only bringing attention to the plays at a wide scale, but then teaching you about how much all of it is worth. Guys that write for legacy purposes and not financial purposes dont charge 3k for a book. Guys that actually make money off these plays dont teach the whole world about it, unless you're already retired, which he isnt. This goes for all the blackjack counting authors as well. You think any of these guys are special? Stanford Wong? Ken Uston? Arnold Snyder? What the fuck did they ever do solo? Ken was basically a drunk and drug addict who was said to have lost more than hes won, but of course you wont hear about that, it wont sell movies and documentaries. Arnold also was said he didnt make anything. RIP to both of them as they did contribute to the sharing of counting information and simulations, but lets not kid ourselves about their actual talent and if they should be respected as APs. It's much easier to write about theory than actually conducting it as ill get into below about the traits of an AP. What about the seminar guys? These guys are probably the scummiest of people. These people were mostly given the information and then said fuck you and tried profiting off others people info. Not only do they not make money off the plays like these book writers and podcasters, but they also double cross the guys who initially helped them.
    I am only going to comment on part of this particular rant. Some Guys like James and some of the other math guys, write books revealing things because they are proud of their strong math abilities and want people to know. Want credit. Their moment in the sun. Nothing wrong with that.

    Plays like he shared have a shelf life. But you can bet anything, any "plays" in a book like Grosjeans, he was already done with. I played the big six wheel a number of years after the book came out for about 6 months, before one of the casinos I was hitting hard switched over to the electric model. Made some money. Not get rich money as that was a rather slow and tedious play....but some money. And frankly I was surprised at the time that play was still available. But again, it was slow and tedious, and players probably didn't rush to that like they did others in the book.

    Other blackjack authors, like Wong, Snyder, even most of Kenny's books are a non-factor. The math part of blackjack and card counting has been public well known information since the 1970s. Nothing new there. Nobody is doing any harm writing a book about shit that has been known for decades. Anything new with card counting doesn't involve the math. It involves ways to play to be able to continue to be welcome to play. Things and techniques you can apply that increase longevity. Some small things, others a little bigger and some with a cost. But worth the cost. I have shared many things I have done....but you know....this forum, people are only concerned with trolling and name-calling.

    I don't mind anyone writing a book and making money off any of this well know information that has been out there for decades. That said, I do have a bit of a problem with the guys that play, make some money, can't figure out how to have a long career and then turn to running bootcamps for profit. The problem is the churning out of card counters. If they had really done it right, that would have been harmful for every real card counter. Luckily for us, they did it half assed and churned out 1000's of players that really were no threat to anyone, casinos or other players. They had just enough knowledge to lose a little slower. Seriously, maybe some of these "students" of such bootcamps made a few bucks. But most didn't have the BR or discipline to ride out negative variance.

    Anyway, continue on with you happy thoughts and feelings.
    Last edited by kewlJ; 03-20-2025 at 10:51 PM.
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