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Thread: Goodbye Cromwell, hello.... Vanderpump?!

  1. #1
    The Cromwell in Las Vegas has an interesting history.

    It opened as Barbary Coast in 1979, built by Michael Gaughan, on the northeast corner of Flamingo Blvd and Las Vegas Blvd.

    It stayed mostly the same for 25 years, and featured one of the worst designed and most dangerous parking garages imaginable.

    In 2004, Boyd purchased Coast Casinos, so it became a Boyd property, but otherwise functioned the same and still retained the Barbary Coast branding.

    This all changed in 2006. Many of you may not remember this, but Caesars had just merged with Harrah's in 2005, and they were hungry to expand. They eyed the block on Las Vegas Blvd starting from Flamingo and going north to Harrah's. The idea was to wreck the entire area, and then built a megaresort which would overshadow Caesars Palace as their flagship property in Vegas. Additionally, it would have the convenience of being directly across the street from Caesars Palace, and across in the other direction from Bally's (now Horseshoe), which they also owned.

    In order to have this mega resort, Caesars had to acquire all of the properties within that span. They already owned Harrah's, Flamingo, and Imperial Palace (now called The Linq), and O'Shea's, but still needed Barbary Coast.

    Caesars rectified this by trading for Barbary Coast, and giving Boyd some land on the north strip, in return. Since Coast was a brand owned by Boyd, the property had to be renamed, so it (temporarily) became Bill's Gamblin' Hall and Saloon, in honor of Harrah's founder William Harrah.

    It was expected that, sometime around 2008, the entire group of properties would be demolished, and the megaresort would be rapidly constructed.

    But what happened in 2008? Oh that's right... the financial crash, which devastated Vegas worse than most other US cities. That put the entire plan on hold. Caesars ended up heavily in debt, and at the same time realized they didn't need a megaresort there. They could do just find by squeezing revenue out of the existing four hotels, and aim them at mid-level tourists.

    But what of Bill's Gamblin' Hall? They still wanted to do something with it, as it was run down and in poor condition, even by Caesars standards.

    That's when they got the idea to turn it into a boutique hotel. They shut down Bill's in 2013, and entered into a partnership with the Gansevoort Hotel Group, who would stamp their name on the property and operate it, while it would remain part of Total Rewards (now Caesars Rewards).

    Unfortunately, Gansevoort was found to have ties with a Russian mobster causing a huge regulatory headache for Caesars. They severed the partnership with Gansevoort, and completed the redesign on their own. Laughably, due to their lack of due diligence in this matter, their (presumably leading) bid for Boston's sole casino license was considered dead in the water, and they withdrew. This is probably why Encore Boston exists, rather than Caesars Boston.

    Anyway, it opened in 2014 as "The Cromwell". The name was thought to have been pulled out of their ass, and selected because it sounds upper class. This angered Michael Gaughan, the original property owner, as it reminded him of Oliver Cromwell, a brutal 1600s English ruler who mistreated the Irish.

    Well, Gaughan (who is still alive) will finally get his wish. The Cromwell will soon cease to exist, and become....

    "The Vanderpump Hotel"

    ... named after Lisa Vanderpump, with whom Caesars already has an association.


    Here's the description from Caesars webpage about it:

    Lisa Vanderpump is set to bring her signature glamour to the Las Vegas Strip with the Vanderpump Hotel, debuting in early 2026. The Cromwell Las Vegas will be transformed with opulent furnishings, bespoke lighting, and a captivating new lounge. Every detail, from the enchanting guest rooms to the revitalized casino floor, will embody elegance and comfort. The Vanderpump Hotel promises a luxurious escape infused with style and sophistication.
    Lisa gained fame from her long-running presence on "The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills" during the 2010s. She's English, and 64 years old.





    I'll get to her history with Caesars, and the public reaction to this hotel transformation, in the next post....
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  2. #2
    Lisa Vanderpump already has four venues at Caesars properties, all of which have opened since 2019. Three are in Vegas.

    In March 2019, she opened Vanderpump Cocktail Garden. located in Caesars Palace. It is described as, "Glamorous casino cocktail garden masterminded by TV celebrity, with creative drinks & light bites", but only serves food at the bar.

    In April 2022, Vanderpump opened Vanderpump à Paris, located in the Paris Las Vegas casino. This was her first Vegas restaurant, described as, "Vanderpump à Paris features delectable dishes, whimsical and unique cocktails, and a lush, elaborate atmosphere with eclectic, Parisian-inspired design details."

    Wolf by Vanderpump was opened at Harvey's Lake Tahoe, in April 2024. It is described as, "Wolf by Vanderpump has a full menu that will delight guests with its ingenuity and delicious flavors, featuring reimagined classics, as well as unique and decadent shareable bites. The menu is crafted for every season, using some regionally sourced and inspired ingredients."

    Vanderpump opened her third Las Vegas restaurant, Pinky’s at the Flamingo, on December 6, 2024. This is described as, "Pinky’s by Vanderpump, coined after Vanderpump’s nickname “Pinky”, features distinctive dishes, statement cocktails and the restaurateur’s signature design aesthetic. With a nod to the Flamingo’s vibrant history, the restaurant and bar combines Art Deco glamour with sumptuous and decadent Vanderpump flair."


    How are these restaurants rated? Fairly good. Opinions of the food are mixed, and some feel the prices are too high, but it's universally agreed upon that the restaurants are beautifully decorated.

    For this reason, the general public has high hopes and expectations for The Vanderpump Hotel. Many believe that, like her restaurants, Vanderpump will not allow her name to be used unless she has substantial input and creative control regarding its design and feel.

    Additionally, The Cromwell, while pretending to be a high end casino, never really got there. The rooms are still considered to be old and dated looking. The casino itself is nice, but the problem is that the hotel has no real theme, and people just weren't into it. Caesars is hoping that Vanderpump's fans and reputation will draw people in. They will continue to own the hotel and operate the casino, but will pay some hefty sum of money to her to license her name, and perhaps she will get some of the profits as well. This is the first Caesars property to be entirely associated with a celebrity.



    I still can't see how this will be an appealing place to stay. There are some issues which can't be fixed by nice decor and a classy theme. Namely, the rooms are small with low ceilings, and more importantly, the property is NOISY! Most rooms hang over Flamingo Blvd, and since it's a low rise building, all of them are noisy for that reason. Drai's Nightclub, which is open until 6am, is extremely loud and disturbs most guests attempting to sleep. I can't see how they can thicken the walls or floors without tearing apart the entire property, so the noise issue will probably remain. That makes it a no-go for me.

    Plus I'm not a reality show fan, so I don't care about Lisa Vanderpump.

    I can perhaps see this being a draw to middle-aged women who insist their husbands take them there.
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  3. #3
    The Strip and Caesar’s is so "has been" as the rest of the country continues to grow in gaming venues. It ain't what it used to be, except for the sucker international visitors (aka, foreigners) and lost-in-time California yuppies. Vanderpump, DeLaurentis, Flay, Puck, rising parking fees, resort fees, poor vp tables, seriously reduced slot club benefits' & players' lounges belt-tightening, Luxor's lackadaisical maintenance, dumb wastes like Fountainbleau and Resorts World, etc. etc. etc.

    The Rat Pack are rolling over in their graves....

  4. #4
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    The Strip and Caesar’s is so "has been" as the rest of the country continues to grow in gaming venues. It ain't what it used to be, except for the sucker international visitors (aka, foreigners) and lost-in-time California yuppies. Vanderpump, DeLaurentis, Flay, Puck, rising parking fees, resort fees, poor vp tables, seriously reduced slot club benefits' & players' lounges belt-tightening, Luxor's lackadaisical maintenance, dumb wastes like Fountainbleau and Resorts World, etc. etc. etc.

    The Rat Pack are rolling over in their graves....
    Why are you staying at Luxor, broke clown?

  5. #5
    Originally Posted by accountinquestion View Post
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    The Strip and Caesar’s is so "has been" as the rest of the country continues to grow in gaming venues. It ain't what it used to be, except for the sucker international visitors (aka, foreigners) and lost-in-time California yuppies. Vanderpump, DeLaurentis, Flay, Puck, rising parking fees, resort fees, poor vp tables, seriously reduced slot club benefits' & players' lounges belt-tightening, Luxor's lackadaisical maintenance, dumb wastes like Fountainbleau and Resorts World, etc. etc. etc.

    The Rat Pack are rolling over in their graves....
    Why are you staying at Luxor, broke clown?
    I don't know...because he likes being in the world's second largest atrium (I think a Dubai locale surpassed it)? Because the rooms are just marginally inferior to Mandalay Bay rooms, which cost twice as much in a less convenient location? Because he likes Carrot Top and Blue Man Group? Because being bourgeoisie is no indicator that you have any idea what you're doing? LOL.

    How the hell do you get along with Todd, account? Todd does more belt-tightening strategeery than anyone on this forum, with the possible exception of me...and we all know I'm broke.

    I can't believe I just defended Singer for staying at Luxor, but account's comment is sick stuff. I guess Dancer and Munchkin, who are economizing wizards, are similarly "broke clowns." Account must spend a lot of time with a clothespin on his nose in the air so he doesn't smell his losses.

  6. #6
    I found 500 quarters there once.
    The light was blinking on some reel machine.
    Nobody was nearby.
    I took the ticket.
    Cashed it.
    Might of been coins.
    It was right near the time of the TITO change.
    That place was always good for some free money in the 90s and early 2000s.

  7. #7
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    I can't believe I just defended Singer for staying at Luxor
    What makes you think that Singer ever stayed at Luxor?

    Don't get caught up in the AIQ vortex, he's an ER version of tewlj...extra retarded.

  8. #8
    Originally Posted by coach belly View Post
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    I can't believe I just defended Singer for staying at Luxor
    What makes you think that Singer ever stayed at Luxor?

    Don't get caught up in the AIQ vortex, he's an ER version of tewlj...extra retarded.
    Of course I've stayed at Luxor--many times in fact. But not since early 2009.
    There was an article last week by one of these California "travel magazine" gals critical of the entire hotel. With pics. Hardly what it used to be.

    But I do like the "broke clown" comment, as WE (as in I, unlike AQ, am not a lonely old man loner and loser in life) get ready to go on a 15,000 mile minimum spring/summer trip around the US & Canada.

    Hmmm....that's not something recommended for those previously revered-by-liberals EV's. And gee--now even THOSE idiots with Tesla's are getting their prescious, limited-in-travel-capability vehicles keyed and spray painted by other Trump-hating deranged fools.

    It's a beautiful thing to watch!!

  9. #9
    Originally Posted by monet View Post
    I found 500 quarters there once.
    The light was blinking on some reel machine.
    Nobody was nearby.
    I took the ticket.
    Cashed it.
    Might of been coins.
    It was right near the time of the TITO change.
    That place was always good for some free money in the 90s and early 2000s.
    That's the equivalent of finding $125. Not too bad. I remember a Poster saying he won 20,000 nickels on a slot game and was VERY happy. Another Poster said something like,"You're VERY happy about winning 20,000 nickels on a slot game? LMAO! That's only a $20 win! What a fucking IDIOT you are!"

    Another Poster responded something like,"20,000 nickels is not only an $20 win. It's a REALLY good $1,000 win. The guy's not an IDIOT for being VERY happy with a REALLY good $1,000 win on a slot game. "

    The other Poster said something like,"Oh, I assumed 20,000 nickels was only a $20 win, I didn't know it was a $1,000 win. I'll admit, I'm the one who comes off as an IDIOT here. My mistake and my apologies."
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  10. #10
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    Originally Posted by accountinquestion View Post
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    The Strip and Caesar’s is so "has been" as the rest of the country continues to grow in gaming venues. It ain't what it used to be, except for the sucker international visitors (aka, foreigners) and lost-in-time California yuppies. Vanderpump, DeLaurentis, Flay, Puck, rising parking fees, resort fees, poor vp tables, seriously reduced slot club benefits' & players' lounges belt-tightening, Luxor's lackadaisical maintenance, dumb wastes like Fountainbleau and Resorts World, etc. etc. etc.

    The Rat Pack are rolling over in their graves....
    Why are you staying at Luxor, broke clown?
    I don't know...because he likes being in the world's second largest atrium (I think a Dubai locale surpassed it)? Because the rooms are just marginally inferior to Mandalay Bay rooms, which cost twice as much in a less convenient location? Because he likes Carrot Top and Blue Man Group? Because being bourgeoisie is no indicator that you have any idea what you're doing? LOL.

    How the hell do you get along with Todd, account? Todd does more belt-tightening strategeery than anyone on this forum, with the possible exception of me...and we all know I'm broke.

    I can't believe I just defended Singer for staying at Luxor, but account's comment is sick stuff. I guess Dancer and Munchkin, who are economizing wizards, are similarly "broke clowns." Account must spend a lot of time with a clothespin on his nose in the air so he doesn't smell his losses.
    I stayed in the luxor several years ago when I had an extended lv stay. The luxor was by far the worst. The weird ass elevator gimmick was fun the first time. The oddly shaped rooms. But the worst by far was the intermittent hot water. I doubt most rooms have that but it was and is the only time I've experienced that in an actual hotel.

    Not sure what you're going on about nor do I give a shit about dancer and munchkin. Your irresistible desire to bring up other irrelevant people is something special.

    Likewise, I dont hang out with todd. I've ate with him and had a brief period of time where we spent a good deal of time together. Maybe a few misc parties. We're friend to each other and I'd gladly say hi to him if I saw him.

    Like Singer said elsewhere - you just go off on these weird irrelevant tangents like a desperate salesman eager to deflect.

    BTW if you understood economics you might understand why the luxor is so cheap. Life clue - it isn't because of anything else positive about the place. Excalibur is far far better if you are budgeting.
    Last edited by accountinquestion; 03-21-2025 at 04:41 PM.

  11. #11
    Originally Posted by coach belly View Post
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    I can't believe I just defended Singer for staying at Luxor
    What makes you think that Singer ever stayed at Luxor?

    Don't get caught up in the AIQ vortex, he's an ER version of tewlj...extra retarded.
    So if he didn't why would he be on top of Luxor's maintenance priorities?

    You're the most miserable unfunny guy to ever grace these forums. You'd be hard pressed to find one poster who would say you're a positive. If there was ever a person who I'd bet money on being lonely - it would be you. There is no way another human would want to share your miserable humorless experience of a life.

  12. #12
    Originally Posted by accountinquestion View Post
    So if he didn't why would he be on top of Luxor's maintenance priorities?
    Here's why...you fucking numbskull.

    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    There was an article last week by one of these California "travel magazine" gals critical of the entire hotel. With pics. Hardly what it used to be.
    Do you read the posts you reply to, or just babble like an infant?

  13. #13
    Originally Posted by coach belly View Post
    Originally Posted by accountinquestion View Post
    So if he didn't why would he be on top of Luxor's maintenance priorities?
    Here's why...you fucking numbskull.

    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    There was an article last week by one of these California "travel magazine" gals critical of the entire hotel. With pics. Hardly what it used to be.
    Do you read the posts you reply to, or just babble like an infant?
    Huh? You are quoting posts made after the one I responded to but that still doesn't explain why I wouldn't find a clear implication that Singer had recently stayed at the Luxor. You're a shit for brained person on so many levels. Enjoy your non-human companion existence. You're as miserable as they come.

    I feel like I need to explain further but you're so fucking stupid it irritates the fuck out of me just interacting with you. lol. Ok, that is a weakness of mine. Suffering fools.

    And notice that Singer didn't quote this travel magazine by name.... and it was from "California" which is what he loves to slam. It is most likely bullshit to make up for the fact that Singer likely is a regular at the Luxor and bitter about it.

  14. #14
    Originally Posted by accountinquestion View Post
    You are quoting posts made after the one I responded to
    Singer replied to the one you are responding to, answering your stupid question before you asked it.

    Here's the sequence...

    Originally Posted by coach belly View Post
    What makes you think that Singer ever stayed at Luxor?
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Of course I've stayed at Luxor--many times in fact. But not since early 2009.
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    There was an article last week by one of these California "travel magazine" gals critical of the entire hotel.
    Originally Posted by accountinquestion View Post
    why would he be on top of Luxor's maintenance priorities?
    Duh.

    Originally Posted by accountinquestion View Post
    that still doesn't explain why I wouldn't find a clear implication that Singer had recently stayed at the Luxor.
    Singer posted when he last stayed at Luxor, and your subsequent reply is that you find a clear implication that Singer had recently stayed there.

    LOL, OK...You're perpetually out to lunch...a complete fucktard.

  15. #15
    Originally Posted by coach belly View Post

    Singer replied to the one you are responding to, answering your stupid question before you asked it.

    Here's the sequence...



    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Of course I've stayed at Luxor--many times in fact. But not since early 2009.
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    There was an article last week by one of these California "travel magazine" gals critical of the entire hotel.
    Originally Posted by accountinquestion View Post
    why would he be on top of Luxor's maintenance priorities?
    Duh.

    Originally Posted by accountinquestion View Post
    that still doesn't explain why I wouldn't find a clear implication that Singer had recently stayed at the Luxor.
    Singer posted when he last stayed at Luxor, and your subsequent reply is that you find a clear implication that Singer had recently stayed there.

    LOL, OK...You're perpetually out to lunch...a complete fucktard.
    You're leaving out the key quote where I called him a broke clown. Why? That is THE post that both you and I were responding to.

    Then he responded explaining himself. Then you asked me why ...blah blah. oh man. Whatever. I am not going to deal with you. Your position is stupid.

    How much time did you spend trying to spin this to not make you look the fool?

    Don't worry, no one else here cares but yourself and all your pets. hahaha.. good grief. You suck and you know you're a miserable lonely ol shit. No need trying to deny it.
    Last edited by accountinquestion; 03-21-2025 at 07:35 PM.

  16. #16
    Originally Posted by accountinquestion View Post
    You're leaving out the key quote where I called him a broke clown. Why? That is THE post that both you and I were responding to. Then he responded explaining himself. Then you asked me why
    I didn't reply to you or ask you anything.

    redietz replied to you, I replied to redietz, Singer replied to me, and then you replied to me.

    Your reply to me was to ask a question that Rob already answered before you replied to me.

    This is the AIQ vortex.

    You're confused, paranoid and delusional...in other word, psychotic.

  17. #17
    Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    I can't see how they can thicken the walls or floors without tearing apart the entire property, so the noise issue will probably remain. That makes it a no-go for me.
    Soundproofing the walls with acoustic panels or whatever they're called is not that destructive. Too thin windows is the problem, and that's more destructive and expensive to fix. So they probably won't bother.

    I'm curious what kind of hideous casino carpet design her team is going to go with. Given that her restaurants are known for having a lot of trees and plants inside, I'm guessing a very busy foliage type design.

  18. #18
    Originally Posted by coach belly View Post
    Originally Posted by accountinquestion View Post
    You're leaving out the key quote where I called him a broke clown. Why? That is THE post that both you and I were responding to. Then he responded explaining himself. Then you asked me why
    I didn't reply to you or ask you anything.

    redietz replied to you, I replied to redietz, Singer replied to me, and then you replied to me.

    Your reply to me was to ask a question that Rob already answered before you replied to me.

    This is the AIQ vortex.

    You're confused, paranoid and delusional...in other word, psychotic.
    You try really really hard just to be wrong.

    Phenomenal, really.

  19. #19
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    Originally Posted by accountinquestion View Post
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    The Strip and Caesar’s is so "has been" as the rest of the country continues to grow in gaming venues. It ain't what it used to be, except for the sucker international visitors (aka, foreigners) and lost-in-time California yuppies. Vanderpump, DeLaurentis, Flay, Puck, rising parking fees, resort fees, poor vp tables, seriously reduced slot club benefits' & players' lounges belt-tightening, Luxor's lackadaisical maintenance, dumb wastes like Fountainbleau and Resorts World, etc. etc. etc.

    The Rat Pack are rolling over in their graves....
    Why are you staying at Luxor, broke clown?
    I don't know...because he likes being in the world's second largest atrium (I think a Dubai locale surpassed it)? Because the rooms are just marginally inferior to Mandalay Bay rooms, which cost twice as much in a less convenient location? Because he likes Carrot Top and Blue Man Group? Because being bourgeoisie is no indicator that you have any idea what you're doing? LOL.

    How the hell do you get along with Todd, account? Todd does more belt-tightening strategeery than anyone on this forum, with the possible exception of me...and we all know I'm broke.

    I can't believe I just defended Singer for staying at Luxor, but account's comment is sick stuff. I guess Dancer and Munchkin, who are economizing wizards, are similarly "broke clowns." Account must spend a lot of time with a clothespin on his nose in the air so he doesn't smell his losses.
    I have to defend Rob a bit here.

    Luxor has become a total piece of shit.

    In the late 2019s, my friend noticed that his room's nightstand had no lampshade on the lamp.

    He texted me, "Someone stole the lampshade from this Luxor room, can you believe it?"

    I told him to call and have them bring a lampshade, or a new lamp entirely.

    He replied, "I did. They said that, yes, some people steal the lampshades, and there was 'nothing they can do'. When I asked for a new lamp, they replied, 'Sorry, we only replace non-working lamps, and the fact that there's no lampshade isn't a good enough reason to replace the one in your room.'"

    He was floored. The Luxor actually told him to just deal with the bare lightbulb and fuck off. There are lots of stories like these.
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  20. #20
    My prediction is that this Vanderpump Hotel lasts maybe 5 years, and once she realizes it's a fail and nobody wants to stay there at inflated prices, she will not renew the contract, and it will change theme once again.

    In the meantime, Caesars is doing well with the mid-market block of properties (Harrah's, Flamingo, Linq, Horseshoe), so Cromwell is really the only one which needed a reboot. I'm sure they're happy they never built that megaresort. There's value in having a number of center strip properties aimed at the working class. The mistake many properties are making these days is the obsession with being upper-tier, when they will never capture that market. I'm looking at you, Rio. And SLS at one point.
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