Leonardo Da AP

[mickeycrimm]

Every game in the casino can be beat....under the right conditions." Richard Munchkin

So what games has Richard exploited in his career? Poker, Backgammon, Chess, Blackjack, Baccarat, Roulette, Slots, Craps, Sportsbetting....

A Leonardo Da AP for sure:

[MDawg]

I see why he calls himself Munchkin.

[redietz]

I see why he calls himself Munchkin.

And every disease on the planet can be cured, given the right circumstances, applied expertise, and technology. To presume, however, that you are the one to cure them all is quite a declaration.

An analogy to live by, so to speak.

[Don Perignom]

My heroes are Tommy Newsom and Micky Dolenz.




My zeroes are people who call everything a space.

[redietz]

It just occurred to me that there is a famous AP mantra for those folks who presume everything is conquerable because they are "APs." I think the guy's name was Tolkien:

"One AP to rule them all
One AP to find them.
One AP to bring them all
And in the darkness bind them."

The lure of "all things winnable." The lines above may have been written by casino ownership.

[redietz]

My heroes are Tommy Newsom and Micky Dolenz.




My zeroes are people who call everything a space.

My heroes are James Randi and Hunter Thompson. They did a lot of things I'd consider wrong, but boy did they did a lot of top flight doing.

And they were the polar opposite of anonymous.

P.S. I also love Micky Dolenz.

[kewlJ]

It just occurred to me that there is a famous AP mantra for those folks who presume everything is conquerable because they are "APs."

Nowhere did Munchkin say "because they are AP's". That is just you being YOU, with your sudden hate of players that find and play at an advantage.

And the key 4 words that Munchkin did state are "under the right conditions". Which just happens to be the exact same disclaimer I stated in the tracking two tables discussions. The naysayers, haters, trolls and liars like to dishonestly leave this kind of thing out.

Bottom line Red: If you did half as well as you have claimed, you wouldn't be hating on other players that are finding and playing at an advantage. You just wouldn't. It is a major "tell".

[redietz]

It just occurred to me that there is a famous AP mantra for those folks who presume everything is conquerable because they are "APs."

Nowhere did Munchkin say "because they are AP's". That is just you being YOU, with your sudden hate of players that find and play at an advantage.

And the key 4 words that Munchkin did state are "under the right conditions". Which just happens to be the exact same disclaimer I stated in the tracking two tables discussions. The naysayers, haters, trolls and liars like to dishonestly leave this kind of thing out.

Bottom line Red: If you did half as well as you have claimed, you wouldn't be hating on other players that are finding and playing at an advantage. You just wouldn't. It is a major "tell".

The major tell is that everyone prefers to believe they can win at everything. And I think "sudden hate" is more what the addicted alleged "APs" toss one's way when you point out that they are nowhere near as expert at particular things as they believe they are.

KewlJ, as an example, has tried to pitch this narrative of routinely betting 70 plays a day while working off bonuses as some kind of an "AP" angle. Yeah, that'll work once. Maybe even two or three times...IF YOU ARE NOT BETTING MUCH. But no, the KewlJ manages to do it over and over at the same sports books, allegedly for serious money, which means he is either (1) lying through his teeth or (2) employing other people as subs or beards which (if discovered) could lead to all his funds being frozen. But his reporting neglects to mention that latter possibility, which rises to likelihood status the more he wagers.

And now might be a good time to repeat, once again, that I have accounts at the books KewlJ claims to be exploiting, and I have had accounts there maybe three or four times longer than he has.

The problem with KewlJ is that he's either making most of his stuff up or, conversely and I think more likely, he operates at some really low level, which is fine, but he should probably report that what works for $30 a game at sports books is not going to keep you under any radar at 3K or more a game.

You do realize, KewlJ, that Munchkin retired from playing blackjack. Gee, I wonder why. But the KewlJ keeps going strong in the same locale Munchkin inhabits. Now something seems off there. The most reasonable explanation is that the KewlJ betting is strictly minor league, so radar isn't even aimed in his direction. That is fine, but for this confirmed liar and overall maroon to explain how everything is winnable is a disservice to people who might actually believe him.

[kewlJ]

You do realize, KewlJ, that Munchkin retired from playing blackjack. Gee, I wonder why.

Munchkin retired from blackjack because he got involved with Grosjean and moved on to AP plays with much larger advantages than card counting. You suggesting that it is because card counting isn't do-able is you talking out your ass about shit you don't know about...yet again!

Many/Most APs that start out card counting move on to other plays with bigger advantages. I chose not to for most of my career, because I like playing blackjack and winning by card counting. And during most of that time other APs busted on me for it. And now finally in the past 3-4 years I have moved on to other things. Still play blackjack and card count, but much less (and differently) than I used to.

And if I am being honest, part of that was due to heat and issues with the databases. I had a really good run as a grinder type card counter, playing almost everyday for more than 12 years. That longevity was no accident. My top priority was longevity and everything I did, every little technique I employed worked towards that goal of longevity. And I had a great run. But it doesn't last forever. We all know that going in. So you evolve. And part of my evolution has been getting into the bonus stuff with sports betting. And I know that and particularly how I am doing (aggressively) it won't last forever either. And when that ends, I will move on to and pick up something else.

THAT my bald friend is what an advantage player is. I don't know what the fuck you do with all the futures and contests and McCusker reports proving whatever you think you are proving from 1984. It isn't 1984. It isn't even a year that starts with a 19. It is 2025. How are you doing in 2025? Are you able to pay your taxes a least? I mean I see you on here, begging for muffins and coffee. Doesn't seem like you are doing all that well.

[kewlJ]

I haven't done the multiple accounts thing at sports books yet. So stop insinuating that I have, RED. But I have that option open with several people I live with that don't do sports betting, if I decide to extend my sports betting play after I have burned myself out. And there is nothing wrong with doing so, as long as the other people aren't going to be doing it. I don't know why you keep implying there is something wrong with that.

Also, stop guessing about where I am playing. I dropped oddsmaker a while ago. You don't fucking know me or where I am playing, so shut the fuck up.

[kewlJ]

The bottom line about RED is I always thought he probably was involved with sports betting as a livelihood as he claimed for 40 years. Not being an expert at sports betting, most of what he said and claimed seemed legit to me. Now I am not so sure. I have no idea. He sure wants everyone to think he was some great sports better. He drops names constantly and apparently has documentation from some contests in 1984 that he wants to shove down everyone's throat like he did Alan.

But really the evidence suggests he is/was nothing more than one of these sports betting "touts". I don't care. Contrary to popular belief, I am not here to prove or disprove every person and claim on gambling forums. I stick to the ones that defy everything, the math and how the casinos and industry works.

I am sure mickster started this thread knowing that Red would respond with something really stupid. And he did! Good Job Mickey.

[MisterV]

Being "a great sports better" (sic) and a tout are not mutually exclusive.

Red has been consistent about his methods, as have you, which in the absence of proof to the contrary supports credibility.

[kewlJ]

Being "a great sports better" (sic) and a tout are not mutually exclusive.

I don't consider a sports betting "tout" or any "tout" as being in any way connected to advantage play or even winning gambler. It is a marketing type scam that just happens to be using sports betting.

If Red was really some great sports bettor/handicapper, he wouldn't have needed clients or anyone to put up the money. He would have just bet sports and picked winners. As soon as someone involved with gambling starts needing investors and clients, there is something else going on. If you can pick winners....pick winners. You don't need anybody else.

[MisterV]

Is Red really doing that?

I don't recall having seen him advertising touting services: did I miss that?

Really, accusing him of being a tout without proof is really no different than the slanders the hound makes against you.

Maybe he does it as a small side hustle, I don't know, but I do know I haven't seen Red actively and openly soliciting new "clients" from this board.

I get the impression hes an active, accomplished, serious and long time sports bettor who seeks a tad of respect, nothing more.

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[kewlJ]

Is Red really doing that?

I don't recall having seen him advertising touting services: did I miss that?

Really, accusing him of being a tout without proof is really no different than the slanders the hound makes against you.

I think maybe you did miss it.

Rob always said that Red had solicited him for a sports tout type service, which Red denied. Since no one else (myself included) reported having been solicited by Red, I took Reds side. But who knows? You aren't going to get the truth from Rob Singer.

But somebody did dig up a website (Integrity sports) and the very "pitch" Red used to solicit or get clients/investors promising xxx return on investment, and posted it on this forum. So yeah, I think maybe you missed something.

Plus the 1984 stuff is just weird. That is the same information that was in "the package" that was sent to Alan, 6-7 years ago and there was a big tado about that. Apparently Red has some documentation (McCusker report) that he did well in a contest in 1984 and that seems to be what he is basing his credibility on.

And mind you, I am not asking for any proof or anything from Red, just as I never do from anyone else. But if he is hell bend on providing some, like he seems to be.....could it at least be from this century? I mean we are a quarter of the way in now.

[MisterV]

Thanks.

Yeah, discount what Rob said, unless others on this board claim to have been solicited.

Nothing wrong with being a tout either today or forty years ago: the question is whether he has solicited clients off this board and it seems he has not.

The guy is simply reminiscing, recalling the time when he still had a lot of ink in his pen: it's human nature to think fondly about The Good Old Days.

[kewlJ]

The guy is simply reminiscing about the good old days, back when he had a lot of ink in his pen: it's human nature to think fondly about The Good Old Days.

That is fine. I don't object to that.

But what has really ruffled my feathers in the last year or so about Red, is how he has gone after every AP, myself, Axelwolf, others on this forum that mention they are doing anything involving sports betting. Like he thinks sports betting is off limits, like it his private territory or something. And then he gets really nasty with all this AP shit talking.

[MisterV]

Yes, that's the mountain he's chosen to make his last stand and die on.

Whatever...macht nichts.

We're born, we dance, we die.

[coach belly]

But somebody did dig up a website (Integrity sports) and the very "pitch" Red used to solicit or get clients/investors promising xxx return on investment, and posted it on this forum.

Somebody dug up a website and posted it on this forum?

I wonder how they found it?

Oh yeah, Red provided the link, and even posted the link as his tag line.

You are Leonardo Da Liar, with a bullshit story ready to include in every single post you make.

[Rob.Singer]

You can always tell that kew's becoming more and more unsettled--and nervous--when he ends up making multiple long and rambling posts, trying to convince others of anything & everything from his self-serving agenda.

How about this one kew: I only play and excel at video poker, I've played the game with more of an advantage than anyone else (ie, "under the right conditions") and in doing so I've profited more than any other vp player...ever.

Yet you just can't cope with that and you just don't want it to be. (Players who lose regularly react like that when they hear about winning players, you know). So....why should anyone believe you just because you say you're an AP?