Leonardo Da AP

[MisterV]

Rob, how do you KNOW that you have in fact "profited more than any other VP player...ever?"

That's quite the bold claim to make.

[redietz]

Is Red really doing that?

I don't recall having seen him advertising touting services: did I miss that?

Really, accusing him of being a tout without proof is really no different than the slanders the hound makes against you.

I think maybe you did miss it.

Rob always said that Red had solicited him for a sports tout type service, which Red denied. Since no one else (myself included) reported having been solicited by Red, I took Reds side. But who knows? You aren't going to get the truth from Rob Singer.

But somebody did dig up a website (Integrity sports) and the very "pitch" Red used to solicit or get clients/investors promising xxx return on investment, and posted it on this forum. So yeah, I think maybe you missed something.

Plus the 1984 stuff is just weird. That is the same information that was in "the package" that was sent to Alan, 6-7 years ago and there was a big tado about that. Apparently Red has some documentation (McCusker report) that he did well in a contest in 1984 and that seems to be what he is basing his credibility on.

And mind you, I am not asking for any proof or anything from Red, just as I never do from anyone else. But if he is hell bend on providing some, like he seems to be.....could it at least be from this century? I mean we are a quarter of the way in now.

The thing about the KewlJ(s) -- and yes, there have been more than one -- is that they opine as if they are quoting facts, but it's really a goddawful excuse to pick and choose one or two references out of a hundred, ignore what they prefer to ignore (which is 98% of everything) and then present their bullshit summaries as some kind of reality. It's really ridiculous, biased nonsense, and despite the KewlJ(s) alleged stint at Villanova, they clearly never had anyone editing any of their papers, because this kind of bullshit reporting would result in fail(s).

Let me give you two quick examples. The KewlJ(s) say I'm quoting 1984 stats somewhere. No, I am not. Here are the facts.

1) The Wise Guys Contest, which I mention often, is still ongoing. I retired from it two years ago. I have the best or second-best ATS record for the 30 years I was in that contest, compared to everyone else. That's something near 30 years of a two-games-a-week ATS record.

The KewlJ(s), however, forgot about the fact it was ongoing, despite the fact it's still on the Playbook website, right now, and has been for 30 years. So why would the KewlJ(s) "forget" this? Because they are dishonest, misrepresenting liars. Simple.

2) The "1984" the KewlJ(s) mention was the publishing date of "Who's Who in Sports Gambling," published by Hall Publishing using the Gambler's Book Club press. That date had to do with me being vetted and included in that book, and I may have been the youngest person in there.

So why would the KewlJ(s) quote a particular date, not mention the reference that matches that date, and not mention Who's Who in Sports Gambling? You got it. Because they are dishonest, misrepresenting liars.

Almost every post by the KewlJ(s) features this kind of "Oh, I don't quite remember reality, but let me refresh you with what I think" utter bullshit. All they have to do is actually read what I wrote, because I never get this stuff wrong. Read what's on this very site. But the KewlJ(s) post without bothering to fact check anything. That's their standard operating procedure.

MrV, you are a lawyer, you've gotta recognize the manipulative nature what the KewlJ(s) write and decide to conveniently mention or not mention. These are no accidents. It's the repeated pattern of the KewlJ(s) posts.

And MDawg, I know this was a long post, but please quote me on everything everywhere, because these KewlJ dudes can't post without playing at being innocent bullshitters. They need to be shut down. They are lying, sick dudes.

[MDawg]

kewlJ is basically the Boy Who Cried Wolf of these AP forums. He has lied so many times that it's impossible to believe any stories he tells

[kewlJ]

Here are the facts.

1) The Wise Guys Contest, which I mention often, is still ongoing. I retired from it two years ago. I have the best or second-best ATS record for the 30 years I was in that contest, compared to everyone else. That's something near 30 years of a two-games-a-week ATS record.

The KewlJ(s), however, forgot about the fact it was ongoing, despite the fact it's still on the Playbook website, right now, and has been for 30 years. So why would the KewlJ(s) "forget" this? Because they are dishonest, misrepresenting liars. Simple.

2) The "1984" the KewlJ(s) mention was the publishing date of "Who's Who in Sports Gambling," published by Hall Publishing using the Gambler's Book Club press. That date had to do with me being vetted and included in that book, and I may have been the youngest person in there.

OMG! I give up! Redietz was apparently one of the best if not THE best sports handicappers EVER in 1984. And hopefully paid his taxes. There are you happy?

As per the "KewlJs" (plural) that Red wants to make an issue of. My brother posted on this account a handful of times a couple years ago. He posted more frequently on my account at Gambling Forums where he was trolling Rob Singer. I really didn't care that much. But there were a couple times he posted things that I read and would have rather not been associated with. So I asked both here (Dan Druff) and the administrator at Gambling forums, if we could/should set up a second account in his name, since both accounts would be from the same IP address which would make it look like a duplicate or second account. BOTH Dan Druff and the admin at Gambling forums said, not to set up a second account. So if you have a problem with that Redietz, talk to Dan Druff, NOT me.

And just for the record, my brother lost interest in posting on these forums fairly quickly. He quickly realized what a complete waste of time it was. He is smarter than me in that regard.

And shut the fuck up about Villanova, you bitter little bitch! This shit is exactly why I didn't mention going to college for a long time. I was able to attend Villanova because my father was killed on the job working for the government. What a low life fucktard you are Bob Dietz or whatever your name is.

[redietz]

Here are the facts.

1) The Wise Guys Contest, which I mention often, is still ongoing. I retired from it two years ago. I have the best or second-best ATS record for the 30 years I was in that contest, compared to everyone else. That's something near 30 years of a two-games-a-week ATS record.

The KewlJ(s), however, forgot about the fact it was ongoing, despite the fact it's still on the Playbook website, right now, and has been for 30 years. So why would the KewlJ(s) "forget" this? Because they are dishonest, misrepresenting liars. Simple.

2) The "1984" the KewlJ(s) mention was the publishing date of "Who's Who in Sports Gambling," published by Hall Publishing using the Gambler's Book Club press. That date had to do with me being vetted and included in that book, and I may have been the youngest person in there.

OMG! I give up! Redietz was apparently one of the best if not THE best sports handicappers EVER in 1984. And hopefully paid his taxes. There are you happy?

As per the "KewlJs" (plural) that Red wants to make an issue of. My brother posted on this account a handful of times a couple years ago. he posted more frequently on my account at Gambling Forums where he was trolling Rob Singer. I really didn't care that much. But there were a couple times he posted things that I read and would have rather not been associated with. So I asked both here (Dan Druff) and the administrator at Gambling forums, if we could/should set up a second account in his name, since both accounts would be from the same IP address which would make it look like a duplicate or second account. BOTH Dan Druff and the admin at Gambling forums said, not to set up a second account. So if you have a problem with that Redietz, talk to Dan Druff, NOT me.

And just for the record, my brother lost interest in posting on these forums fairly quickly. He quickly realized what a complete waste of time. He is smarter than me in that regard.

KewlJ is a repeated, consistent liar. Why does he think some "Gee whiz, maybe I was wrong?" bullshit solves the fact that he lies about anything and everything? He can't be trusted to check simple facts that have appeared on the very site he posts on. Obviously, he doesn't care about being truthful.

He repeatedly writes things he knows are fabrications, complete lies. He should be banned. Nothing he writes can be trusted at all.

[kewlJ]

ReDICK, the fact remains you solicited "clients" to put up the money. Why would a REAL, winning sports bettor/handicapper need to solicit clients and have investors?

[redietz]

ReDICK, the fact remains you solicited "clients" to put up the money. Why would a REAL, winning sports bettor/handicapper need to solicit clients and have investors?

Probably for the same reasons Munchkin has a podcast and writes books.

I repeat, KewlJ is a repeated, habitual liar. He purposefully lies about simple facts that could be looked up on this very website. He should be banned.

[Rob.Singer]

Rob, how do you KNOW that you have in fact "profited more than any other VP player...ever?"

That's quite the bold claim to make.

It's very simple V. This is vp--not baccarat. I made $375k playing my strategy for 4 years, and I made $2.8mil playing the DU "bug" for 5-1/2 years right afterwards. I've also profited from mostly large wins since retiring from professional play in mid 2009, and I actually still win small amounts nearly every year after that very large hit on the UX machine at Circa. Not every year, but most, even though I don't play above dollars any longer, and I really don't play much at all.

It's only natural for the little people around here to be wounded by all this while making up every stupid lie in the book about it. And I understand, because just about everyone doesn't want it to be. But it's OK, and I smile cheek to cheek over it

[mickeycrimm]

Is Red really doing that?

I don't recall having seen him advertising touting services: did I miss that?

Really, accusing him of being a tout without proof is really no different than the slanders the hound makes against you.

Maybe he does it as a small side hustle, I don't know, but I do know I haven't seen Red actively and openly soliciting new "clients" from this board.

I get the impression hes an active, accomplished, serious and long time sports bettor who seeks a tad of respect, nothing more.

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ditz says he's not doing it now but he showed us his advertising for this Integrity Sports site. He was looking for investors to send him money to bet. Said he could turn a profit in like 4 months or some shit and they would make a profit on their investment. Steve Stevens type of shit.

Steve Stevens' investors disappeared and so did redietz' investors.

[redietz]

Is Red really doing that?

I don't recall having seen him advertising touting services: did I miss that?

Really, accusing him of being a tout without proof is really no different than the slanders the hound makes against you.

Maybe he does it as a small side hustle, I don't know, but I do know I haven't seen Red actively and openly soliciting new "clients" from this board.

I get the impression hes an active, accomplished, serious and long time sports bettor who seeks a tad of respect, nothing more.

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He says he's not doing it now but he showed us his advertising for this Integrity Sports site. He was looking for investors to send him money to bet. Said he could turn a profit in like 4 months or some shit and they would make a profit on their investment. Steve Stevens type of shit.

I suggest you link the site directly via the Wayback Machine. Here, let me help you.

https://web.archive.org/web/20090602...itysports.com/

Mickey conveniently neglected to mention that the publisher of Who's Who in Sports Gambling was a rather strident born-again Christian who vetted everyone in his book pretty carefully. And mickey also conveniently neglected to mention how inclusion in McCusker's "Tipsters or Gypsters?" annual publication came with quotes from clients of the handicappers included in the volume, plus their actual against-the-spread records dating back the previous five years cumulatively.

Mickey fails to grasp that handicapping sports was a rather mature enterprise a long time ago, with people who actually knew each other.

And frankly, saying that I did "Steve Stevens kind of shit" is libelous. I suspect mickey didn't want to go into gory details, because those gory details would be absurd to attach to me. Mickey, don't be shy. Tell everyone on this public website exactly what I did that was "similar to Steve Stevens."

Todd, pay attention here. This is where the libel hits the road, because you are dealing with one real person (mickey) posting about another real person (me) and comparing my behaviors and practices (which have always been pristine and legal) with Steve Stevens' behaviors and practices. Since Stevens is a public figure guilty of various and sundry crimes, stating in public that I did "Steve Stevens shit" should be legally actionable.

MrV, would you concur?

[MDawg]

the king of lying

has been

making his life about lying on forums.

Or as A.Wolf put it,

What the fuck is wrong with you?

R.Singer already pegged it as a

short circuited brain.

[kewlJ]

Todd, pay attention here. This is where the libel hits the road, because you are dealing with one real person (mickey) posting about another real person (me) and comparing my behaviors and practices (which have always been pristine and legal) with Steve Stevens' behaviors and practices. Since Stevens is a public figure guilty of various and sundry crimes, stating in public that I did "Steve Stevens shit" should be legally actionable.

MrV, would you concur?

Are you out of your mind? well....

Mickeycrimm said nothing libelous. He gave an opinion that your "touting operation" was similar to another example. That is why he used the word "like".

Everyone on this forum, all the regular members excluding bots are real people. It is just some of us are anonymous or try to be because what we do, demands that.

Now you are going to cry like the bitch that you are about libel? Is this your first day on this forum? Far worse things have been said about me, including illegal accusations. Personally, I agree that certain accusations should require proof. I have asked that of Druff for several years and gotten no where. So good luck with that. It is Todd's version of free speech.

[kewlJ]

Top Song from 1984. Prince: when doves cry

Top Movie was the Terminator.

And apparently the top sports handicapper Bob Dietz. (or at least he did well in a contest that year)

Now can we get back to 2025?

[MDawg]

A high pitched soft whine, ever rising in frequency and volume.

[mickeycrimm]

ReDICK, the fact remains you solicited "clients" to put up the money. Why would a REAL, winning sports bettor/handicapper need to solicit clients and have investors?

Probably for the same reasons Munchkin has a podcast and writes books.

I repeat, KewlJ is a repeated, habitual liar. He purposefully lies about simple facts that could be looked up on this very website. He should be banned.

Munchkin didn't solicit investor money to do podcasts and write books.

[redietz]

Top Song from 1984. Prince: when doves cry

Top Movie was the Terminator.

And apparently the top sports handicapper Bob Dietz. (or at least he did well in a contest that year)

Now can we get back to 2025?

I'm just going to point out, once again, that 1984 was the year Who's Who in Sports gambling was published. I was in it. I had nothing to do with publishing it. I was vetted because Rick Hall, a born-again Christian who was also a handicapper, had his fill with tout claims and sleazeball operations. So he assembled a roster of people who were beyond reproach and published his book. He even included in the book an offer that if anyone had any issues with the integrity of the people he included, that they should contact him and let him know about it.

Now let's examine KewlJ's statement above. Did I win any contests in 1984? No. Did I brag about winning any contests in 1984? No.

So kewlJ is lying to people on this forum again.

He needs to be banned. His attempts at humor don't mask the bottom line: he lies repeatedly and thinks nothing of it.

Now let's see if he manages to retract his statements in the post above by admitting to the fact that he was lying.

[MisterV]

Todd, pay attention here. This is where the libel hits the road, because you are dealing with one real person (mickey) posting about another real person (me) and comparing my behaviors and practices (which have always been pristine and legal) with Steve Stevens' behaviors and practices. Since Stevens is a public figure guilty of various and sundry crimes, stating in public that I did "Steve Stevens shit" should be legally actionable.

MrV, would you concur?

I certainly would never recommend filing a lawsuit over it.

What are your damages?

Few will have read it, and fewer yet will have it change their opinion of you.

Anyway, litigation is a game best played by the wealthy...suing over "the principle of the thing" is expensive, and no attorney worth his salt will take your case on a contingent fee basis.

So yeah, you are shit out of luck on this one.

[kewlJ]

Redietz, all these years you sort of portrayed yourself as a professional sports bettor. I took you at your word. It now appears you were some kind of "tout" soliciting clients or "investors". I don't consider that a sport bettor. A sports bettor makes his money by picking and betting winners. I guess it is in the sports betting arena, but it is really preying on losing degenerate players.

I have one question. Is there someone I can submit it to be asked on the podcast? Why did you have to solicit new suckers.....I mean clients/investors every year? If you were delivering as you solicitous perspective suggests, surely the same clients would have come back every year for more huge return? The fact that you need new clients/investor every year, tells me all I need to know.

BTW, I asked for some information from this century. You linked to something from 1999. You came close.

But really...what do I care. I can't police every scammer on the gambling forums.

[redietz]

Todd, pay attention here. This is where the libel hits the road, because you are dealing with one real person (mickey) posting about another real person (me) and comparing my behaviors and practices (which have always been pristine and legal) with Steve Stevens' behaviors and practices. Since Stevens is a public figure guilty of various and sundry crimes, stating in public that I did "Steve Stevens shit" should be legally actionable.

MrV, would you concur?

Are you out of your mind? well....

Mickeycrimm said nothing libelous. He gave an opinion that your "touting operation" was similar to another example. That is why he used the word "like".

Everyone on this forum, all the regular members excluding bots are real people. It is just some of us are anonymous or try to be because what we do, demands that.

Now you are going to cry like the bitch that you are about libel? Is this your first day on this forum? Far worse things have been said about me, including illegal accusations. Personally, I agree that certain accusations should require proof. I have asked that of Druff for several years and gotten no where. So good luck with that. It is Todd's version of free speech.

So are you saying, having read the Integrity Sports site, that what Steve Stevens and I were doing was the same?

If you don't know who Steve Stevens is, I don't understand how you can say that, but let's hear your opinion. "Steve Stevens," under his original name, was convicted of fraud for ripping off senior citizens.

Let's hear it, KewlJ. Was I committing felonies?

MrV, feel free to weigh in at any time.

Anyone who reads the Integrity Sports site and thinks I'm doing "Steve Stevens shit" either can't read or is mentally unbalanced or is guilty of libel. Now mickey, unfortunately, gets a pass on the libel because I think he has Alzheimer's issues. I don't think a court of law would find him legally responsible.

[redietz]

Todd, pay attention here. This is where the libel hits the road, because you are dealing with one real person (mickey) posting about another real person (me) and comparing my behaviors and practices (which have always been pristine and legal) with Steve Stevens' behaviors and practices. Since Stevens is a public figure guilty of various and sundry crimes, stating in public that I did "Steve Stevens shit" should be legally actionable.

MrV, would you concur?

I certainly would never recommend filing a lawsuit over it.

What are your damages?

Few will have read it, and fewer yet will have it change their opinion of you.

Anyway, litigation is a game best played by the wealthy...suing over "the principle of the thing" is expensive, and no attorney worth his salt will take your case on a contingent fee basis.

So yeah, you are shit out of luck on this one.

I feel comfortable blowing 20K on this, maybe 30, just to get it in court and have people actually testify in person under oath.