Leonardo Da AP

[mickeycrimm]

Is Red really doing that?

I don't recall having seen him advertising touting services: did I miss that?

Really, accusing him of being a tout without proof is really no different than the slanders the hound makes against you.

Maybe he does it as a small side hustle, I don't know, but I do know I haven't seen Red actively and openly soliciting new "clients" from this board.

I get the impression hes an active, accomplished, serious and long time sports bettor who seeks a tad of respect, nothing more.

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Ditz says he's not doing it now but he showed us his advertising for this Integrity Sports site. He was looking for investors to send him money to bet. Said he could turn a profit in like 4 months or some shit and they would make a profit on their investment. Steve Stevens type of shit.

I suggest you link the site directly via the Wayback Machine. Here, let me help you.

https://web.archive.org/web/20090602...itysports.com/

Mickey conveniently neglected to mention that the publisher of Who's Who in Sports Gambling was a rather strident born-again Christian who vetted everyone in his book pretty carefully. And mickey also conveniently neglected to mention how inclusion in McCusker's "Tipsters or Gypsters?" annual publication came with quotes from clients of the handicappers included in the volume, plus their actual against-the-spread records dating back the previous five years cumulatively.

Mickey fails to grasp that handicapping sports was a rather mature enterprise a long time ago, with people who actually knew each other.

And frankly, saying that I did "Steve Stevens kind of shit" is libelous. I suspect mickey didn't want to go into gory details, because those gory details would be absurd to attach to me. Mickey, don't be shy. Tell everyone on this public website exactly what I did that was "similar to Steve Stevens."

Todd, pay attention here. This is where the libel hits the road, because you are dealing with one real person (mickey) posting about another real person (me) and comparing my behaviors and practices (which have always been pristine and legal) with Steve Stevens' behaviors and practices. Since Stevens is a public figure guilty of various and sundry crimes, stating in public that I did "Steve Stevens shit" should be legally actionable.

MrV, would you concur?

Ditz is worse than Steve Stevens. Stevens learned his schtick from ditz. ditz, are you still doing the type of shit Steve Stevens does?

And since you deleted "ditz" and replaced it with "he" you are guilty of misquoting me. Aren't you the one that's always bitching about being misquoted?

[redietz]

Redietz, all these years you sort of portrayed yourself as a professional sports bettor. I took you at your word. It now appears you were some kind of "tout" soliciting clients or "investors". I don't consider that a sport bettor. A sports bettor makes his money by picking and betting winners. I guess it is in the sports betting arena, but it is really preying on losing degenerate players.

I have one question. Is there someone I can submit it to be asked on the podcast? Why did you have to solicit new suckers.....I mean clients/investors every year? If you were delivering as you solicitous perspective suggests, surely the same clients would have come back every year for more huge return? The fact that you need new clients/investor every year, tells me all I need to know.

BTW, I asked for some information from this century. You linked to something from 1999. You came close.

But really...what do I care. I can't police every scammer on the gambling forums.

The problem with what you're positing is that I was monitored by third parties for decades, with annual results made public. So what profits were or were not made is a matter of record.

I was on national newsstands every week for decades. Not too many ways to hide your record when it's on newsstands.

Sorry, KewlJ, I'm not the alleged gambler making stuff up on forums.

You really lie about everything. You should be forced to show up in a court of law. I'd blow 20K just to do that.

And that's without asking MDawg to tip the judge.

[kewlJ]

You really lie about everything. You should be forced to show up in a court of law. I'd blow 20K just to do that.

Then do it.

The problem with what you're positing is that I was monitored by third parties for decades, with annual results made public. So what profits were or were not made is a matter of record.

I was on national newsstands every week for decades. Not too many ways to hide your record when it's on newsstands.

You are cherry-picking a contest or two that you did well in for whatever year. You have always done this cherry-picking shit.

How about this? If this is all public information, you tell me what year to google "top sports bettors" where I might see your name come up. because so far I have googled half dozen of the years you frequently mention and see nothing. ("I saw nothing" ---Sargent Schultz)

And we know that your name absent from any google results isn't because you are anonymous. So I will wait for you to give me a year.

[redietz]

You really lie about everything. You should be forced to show up in a court of law. I'd blow 20K just to do that.

Then do it.

The problem with what you're positing is that I was monitored by third parties for decades, with annual results made public. So what profits were or were not made is a matter of record.

I was on national newsstands every week for decades. Not too many ways to hide your record when it's on newsstands.

You are cherry-picking a contest or two that you did well in for whatever year. You have always done this cherry-picking shit.

How about this? If this is all public information, you tell me what year to google "top sports bettors" where I might see your name come up. because so far I have googled half dozen of the years you frequently mention and see nothing. ("I saw nothing" ---Sargent Schultz)

And we know that your name absent from any google results isn't because you are anonymous. So I will wait for you to give me a year.

There's no cherry picking. Monitors record every play a handicapper puts out and then publish the results. You don't "get anything" or "win anything" other than your record being verified.

The Wise Guys Contest, which I was in for decades, published your results each week.

Tough to make stuff up, as opposed to certain alleged blackjack players. This whole "AP" schtick is strictly a "believe me, I know what I'm doing" blather with no independent verification. I could show up on this forum tomorrow under another handle and claim to be an "AP," and I'd be more credible than you.

[pinchingyourballs]

I could show up on this forum tomorrow under another handle and claim to be an "AP," and I'd be more credible than you.

Ain't that the truth.

[MisterV]

This whole "AP" schtick is strictly a "believe me, I know what I'm doing" blather with no independent verification.

There should be "independent verification" available but if so I doubt you or I would ever get to see it: I am referring of course to tax returns.

Winning gamblers are required to pay tax on their net winnings, so yes, use their verified tax returns as definitive proof.

What's that you say? "Sharp guys don't report all their winnings?"

But the law says they should, so if they don't...disregard their brag: it's bad enough that a felonious tax cheat is leading (and groping) the country.

[kewlJ]

I could show up on this forum tomorrow under another handle and claim to be an "AP," and I'd be more credible than you.

If you really think that, then you are delusional. When I speak about blackjack and the things I do and have done, the techniques I have used to be able to play as long as I have, anyone that concludes that I don't know what I am talking about, either is lying to themselves or an idiot.

But Red, I am really starting to have doubts about you. Your timeline doesn't even make all that much sense now. Recently when I commented that you were 70, you corrected me that you were 67-68. So 41 years ago, in 1984, you would have been 26-27. 4-5 years removed from college (Penn State right) and a journalism major. So how does one become the worlds greatest sports bettor in that short time? Seems like one of those things where you learn from someone for years. But you jumped right to the top, worlds greatest sports bettor by age 26 and it is documented.

Didn't your father have the same name as you? It makes more sense, timeline-wise that your father might have been the sports bettor that did well in the contests in the 1980? You were probably working at a newspaper somewhere. Haven't you mentioned some of those small newspapers in several Pa towns?

Are you trading off your fathers name Red?

[kewlJ]

Half having fun with Red with the above post. BUT only half.

Tell me about these contests that you have cherry picked Red? I assume a certain number of places cash? If contests have been a big part of how you made a living for 40 years, you must have cashed multiple times a year most years. Why do you use the same documentation over and over?

Did you (or your Father) do well in a couple contests in the 80's and then use that documentation to solicit "clients" in a tout type deal? In all honesty, that is what it is starting to sound like to me.

Not that any of that is illegal. It is just not what I think of when someone says professional sports bettor.

[kewlJ]

Where does the wife fit into this timeline, Red? Wasn't there a wife that passed away?

When did you marry? In your 20's when you were professional sports betting in Vegas? That would be a bit odd. Kind of odd life, with you being in Vegas 100 days a year EVERY year.

Maybe later in life? Maybe when you were working at a newspaper which conflicts with the timeline? Fill me in. I want it to make sense.

In the meantime, still waiting on that year that I can google and see you listed. Have a feeling, I am going to be waiting a LONG time.

[pinchingyourballs]

Where does the wife fit into this timeline, Red? Wasn't there a wife that passed away?

When did you marry? In your 20's when you were professional sports betting in Vegas? That would be a bit odd. Kind of odd life, with you being in Vegas 100 days a year EVERY year.

Maybe later in life? Maybe when you were working at a newspaper which conflicts with the timeline? Fill me in. I want it to make sense.

How are you harping on someone else to explain their timeline when your own timeline is swiss cheese?

[kewlJ]

How are you harping on someone else to explain their timeline when your own timeline is swiss cheese?

My timeline is NOT swiss cheese fella. I have been VERY clear on my timeline. There are things that I didn't wish to share, because of an APs need for anonymity. Red is telling us he is not anonymous. BUT if there is something he wants to state that he can't or doesn't want to share, I will accept that.

Just don't be feeding us this shit that everything about him is documented, and attacking APs for being anonymous, when he is only cherry-picking certain parts.

[mickeycrimm]

Redietz, all these years you sort of portrayed yourself as a professional sports bettor. I took you at your word. It now appears you were some kind of "tout" soliciting clients or "investors". I don't consider that a sport bettor. A sports bettor makes his money by picking and betting winners. I guess it is in the sports betting arena, but it is really preying on losing degenerate players.

I have one question. Is there someone I can submit it to be asked on the podcast? Why did you have to solicit new suckers.....I mean clients/investors every year? If you were delivering as you solicitous perspective suggests, surely the same clients would have come back every year for more huge return? The fact that you need new clients/investor every year, tells me all I need to know.

BTW, I asked for some information from this century. You linked to something from 1999. You came close.

But really...what do I care. I can't police every scammer on the gambling forums.

The problem with what you're positing is that I was monitored by third parties for decades, with annual results made public. So what profits were or were not made is a matter of record.

I was on national newsstands every week for decades. Not too many ways to hide your record when it's on newsstands.

Sorry, KewlJ, I'm not the alleged gambler making stuff up on forums.

You really lie about everything. You should be forced to show up in a court of law. I'd blow 20K just to do that.

And that's without asking MDawg to tip the judge.

If the results are public then show it to us.

[MDawg]

If there's ever been anybody more incapable of trying and trying to change other people's opinions about himself, that person hasn't been born yet.

Just the way he writes stuff like "Thats not how blackjack card counting works". Like who the fuck talks like that other than someone that never played or has played almost nothing and first getting into it. Its cringy as hell. Put two and two together. No ones ever met this guy, probably some retard in india posting on the forums looking for attention creating this persona online. What else is new in a community and industry full of degens, scammers, and pathological liars.

[AxelWolf]

I'd blow 20K just to do that.

Bro, please tell me you wouldn't sell your dad's house to get 20k just to sue MC? or was it KJ?

[redietz]

I'd blow 20K just to do that.

Bro, please tell me you wouldn't sell your dad's house to get 20k just to sue MC? or was it KJ?

Again, lies from the "APs." All they do is bullshit.

For the record, my father never lived in Tennessee. No one in my family ever lived in Tennessee. Except my uncle, Jed Clampett, of course.

I'm not the lifelong "AP" who bailed out of Las Vegas. LOL. Wait, let me guess. Somebody's parent died, and that somebody is hauling your ass out of the desert so you can't blow the inheritance.

Old story; not original. Amazing she stayed with you this long. You must be well hung.

[kewlJ]

Again, lies from the "APs." All they do is bullshit.

For the record, my father never lived in Tennessee. No one in my family ever lived in Tennessee. Except my uncle, Jed Clampett, of course.

I'm not the lifelong "AP" who bailed out of Las Vegas. LOL. Wait, let me guess. Somebody's parent died, and that somebody is hauling your ass out of the desert so you can't blow the inheritance.

Old story; not original. Amazing she stayed with you this long. You must be well hung.

What the FUCK happened to this Redietz dude? He used to be somewhat normal acting. Now he has gone off the deep end with his anti-AP rhetoric. And he has buddied up to Singer and Dawg like a schoolboy with a troll crush.

[theywontpayontuesday]

I see why he calls himself Munchkin.

That Munchkin has won more money than you and I'm sure he has had better women to fuck than you, and more of them, and that's just if he is gay.

[redietz]

Again, lies from the "APs." All they do is bullshit.

For the record, my father never lived in Tennessee. No one in my family ever lived in Tennessee. Except my uncle, Jed Clampett, of course.

I'm not the lifelong "AP" who bailed out of Las Vegas. LOL. Wait, let me guess. Somebody's parent died, and that somebody is hauling your ass out of the desert so you can't blow the inheritance.

Old story; not original. Amazing she stayed with you this long. You must be well hung.

What the FUCK happened to this Redietz dude? He used to be somewhat normal acting. Now he has gone off the deep end with his anti-AP rhetoric. And he has buddied up to Singer and Dawg like a schoolboy with a troll crush.

This from the guy who can't keep a single story straight (see what I did there?).

This whole act of yours is ridiculous. Did it occur to you that nobody is betting 70 games on a Saturday to work off a bonus unless they either slept through the first three months of the bonus and woke up like Rip Van Winkle or they are both snorting ether and on crank? No?

And, here's the really moronic part, you are claiming to work off the bonus by playing all these games, giving you a profile that would stand out like an African cockroach in a bowl of cottage cheese, and yet you somehow nail the same sports books again and again for big bonus money because...what? They don't care? Well, that's possible if you lose your ass. Or it's possible you're using beards, which would be asinine because of your profile. The beards would be trimmed almost instantly. Or maybe, just maybe, you're not betting enough to concern anyone. Or, alternatively, you're just making shit up, as you have done all the time. I leave the readers to ponder your credibility.

Meanwhile, in the world of blackjack, the whole I-SPY schtick you are selling is moronic. If Munchkin retired from playing blackjack in LV, what makes you so special that you can just cruise along? Well, it could be either your boyish charm or the fact you're really not betting anything or you're a Skrull. I leave the readers to ponder those options, also.

And I must repeat this. The idea that degenerate behavior like making 50 bets a day at one sports book is somehow going unnoticed is ludicrous. It's flat-out moronic. All of the faking your death, arm-breaking, brother this and partner that bullshit pales beside the idea that you really think you're being low-profile while sports betting like a degenerate. I mean, holy hell, how can someone who lives in Las Vegas be so damned stupid? Another question to ponder.

[kewlJ]

Meanwhile, in the world of blackjack, the whole I-SPY schtick you are selling is moronic. If Munchkin retired from playing blackjack in LV, what makes you so special that you can just cruise along? Well, it could be either your boyish charm or the fact you're really not betting anything or you're a Skrull. I leave the readers to ponder those options, also.

Talk about a dude that can't remember what was said. You insinuated the same bullshit 12 hours ago. You were wrong 12 hours ago and are wrong now and if you bring it up tomorrow you will still be wrong. And I will repeat the same answer as 12 hours ago.

Munchkin retired from blackjack because he got involved with Grosjean and moved on to AP plays with much larger advantages than card counting. You suggesting that it is because card counting isn't do-able is you talking out your ass about shit you don't know about...yet again!

Please don't repeat it again. What you are claiming is bullshit.

When I was playing the locals circuit of Vegas casinos, that would be places like all the Stations (except Palace), and South Point, a couple Boyd properties, Silverton, some downtown properties, several just off strip properties, and even a couple strip properties, I would post a report at the end of each year. The report included what I made, only because I wanted people to know what kind of money a grinder, mid-level player could reasonably expect to make. I also included the number of heat related incidents I had, which at that time were all backoffs. And finally, I included a report on conditions and changes in conditions over that year.

And year to year conditions really didn't change much in Las Vegas in that decade plus. A couple games might go to 6:5, maybe one would go to CSM, but there always seemed to be some casino improve conditions as well, come back to 3:2 from 6:5 or get rid of those expensive CSM. Plus there were several new casinos that opened during that time. So number of playable games didn't change much. I always had 30+ playable games.

And heat related incidents for me went down each year. My first few years I would be backed off 6-8 times a year, then 5-6, then 3-4, as I learned what was and wasn't tolerated. And my brother has done even better. He has played for 10 years now, playing basically the same level I did for 12 years, and he has had I think 2, maybe 3 backoffs. This idea that you are pushing that card counting conditions in Las Vegas have deteriorated and became unplayable is just nonsense from a guy who seems to know little about card counting and conditions.

[AxelWolf]

I'd blow 20K just to do that.

Bro, please tell me you wouldn't sell your dad's house to get 20k just to sue MC? or was it KJ?

Again, lies from the "APs." All they do is bullshit.

For the record, my father never lived in Tennessee. No one in my family ever lived in Tennessee. Except my uncle, Jed Clampett, of course.

I'm not the lifelong "AP" who bailed out of Las Vegas. LOL. Wait, let me guess. Somebody's parent died, and that somebody is hauling your ass out of the desert so you can't blow the inheritance.

Old story; not original. Amazing she stayed with you this long. You must be well hung.

Nope, no one died and left me anything ever, and I don't expect to either. Just the other day I told my Dad to give everything to my sister(she needs it), except for a few guns he has had for years and some tools.

It cost me money to help take care of my Mom during her last days, and I had to pay for some of my family to visit her during that time.

I am going to be setting up a place on my land for my Dad to live during the winter months or whenever he wants since he's now 80 and it's too fucking cold in ND.

As a Teen I came to Vegas with around $300 and never had much help along the way. My dad lent me $300 when I was around 19 once when I was in-between paychecks. I have made him many loans since over the years to help with a few downpayments.

I'm not bailing out, it's called early retirement and living a lifelong dream since I can't stand the hot bleak desert, I never liked it.

I can AP from almost anywhere in the world and I still have continued action on some B&M plays going forward.