Bob Dietz' Coming Appeararance On PokerFraudAlert Radio

[accountinquestion]

I have all that stuff lying around somewhere, so I could re-assemble it, I guess. My desk makes Ray Bradbury's desk look organized, so bear in mind it may take awhile to track it all down. Plus I have 5000 pounds of books in the garage, so that takes some sorting to find things.

I think reviewing all of it with Boz would be the way to go, with Todd serving as host. MrV seems pretty good at asking the more obvious civilian-type questions, so that would work, too.

Todd's PFA gestalt translates well into deconstructing the garbage that has constituted the bulk of the handicapping industry. "Handicapping Fraud Alert" is pretty much what "Tipsters or Gypsters?" was about. Todd is likely the contemporary poker equivalent of what McCusker was doing vis-a-vis handicappers back in the 80's and 90's, only McCusker documented full-season records, so it wasn't just reputation reviews and reports of handicappers doing shitty things, although McCusker provided those as well.

Honestly if you did something like this you could have a pretty highly regarded podcast episode.

Arguing a wrong opinion about EV or the morality of abusing bonuses isn't going to go anywhere. What you do have though is a great memory of LV when it was more interesting. I'm not calling you up to shit on you in general. I don't care enough. But you actually could make a decent enough podcast episode if you talking about historical stuff and not this "call me up ya maroons and let me tell you why I live in Bubble Butt TN"

Going further into this - you have stated the reason to not be anonymous is to have opportunities. You're not going to get any opportunities from a podcast where you argue silly positions on sports betting. That stuff has been rehashed infinite. What you have is a history from some of LV's more exciting years. Stick with that. The right person listens to THAT podcast and you might wind up with an actual opportunity.

Arguing your sports betting prowess isn't going to do it for various reasons which I'll leave off because I'd rather this post be taken seriously.

You do realize my "wrong opinion" regarding the use of the term "EV" for sports betting is also Munchkin's take on it? I was prepped to argue the point with Munchkin, but there was zero need.

The more I think about it, the proper inroad for a discussion is the parallel between Todd's distaste for poker manipulations and my/McCusker's/Boz's distaste for, as McCusker coined, "Scamdicappers." There is a rich history of nonsense, which Boz knows about as well as I do. I suspect Boz knows 90% of what I know and knows a couple of things I do not.

IDGAF about munchkin. Plenty of professional sharp sports bettors will use the term EV all day long. We've had this discussion a dozen times.

For example - I've now seen you say that after the event EV is correct but at that point is is VALUE and NOT EV. If you're going to nitpick over asinine things then do better.

Regardless - stay away from this shit or get on Munchkin, IDGAF. Your value to a podcast is not trying to settle asinine beefs originating from this website but if you want to amuse us then sure go ahead. To me - It'll be worth a listen regardless.

[mickeycrimm]

I have all that stuff lying around somewhere, so I could re-assemble it, I guess. My desk makes Ray Bradbury's desk look organized, so bear in mind it may take awhile to track it all down. Plus I have 5000 pounds of books in the garage, so that takes some sorting to find things.

I think reviewing all of it with Boz would be the way to go, with Todd serving as host. MrV seems pretty good at asking the more obvious civilian-type questions, so that would work, too.

Todd's PFA gestalt translates well into deconstructing the garbage that has constituted the bulk of the handicapping industry. "Handicapping Fraud Alert" is pretty much what "Tipsters or Gypsters?" was about. Todd is likely the contemporary poker equivalent of what McCusker was doing vis-a-vis handicappers back in the 80's and 90's, only McCusker documented full-season records, so it wasn't just reputation reviews and reports of handicappers doing shitty things, although McCusker provided those as well.

Honestly if you did something like this you could have a pretty highly regarded podcast episode.

Arguing a wrong opinion about EV or the morality of abusing bonuses isn't going to go anywhere. What you do have though is a great memory of LV when it was more interesting. I'm not calling you up to shit on you in general. I don't care enough. But you actually could make a decent enough podcast episode if you talking about historical stuff and not this "call me up ya maroons and let me tell you why I live in Bubble Butt TN"

Going further into this - you have stated the reason to not be anonymous is to have opportunities. You're not going to get any opportunities from a podcast where you argue silly positions on sports betting. That stuff has been rehashed infinite. What you have is a history from some of LV's more exciting years. Stick with that. The right person listens to THAT podcast and you might wind up with an actual opportunity.

Arguing your sports betting prowess isn't going to do it for various reasons which I'll leave off because I'd rather this post be taken seriously.

You do realize my "wrong opinion" regarding the use of the term "EV" for sports betting is also Munchkin's take on it? I was prepped to argue the point with Munchkin, but there was zero need.

The more I think about it, the proper inroad for a discussion is the parallel between Todd's distaste for poker manipulations and my/McCusker's/Boz's distaste for, as McCusker coined, "Scamdicappers." There is a rich history of nonsense, which Boz knows about as well as I do. I suspect Boz knows 90% of what I know and knows a couple of things I do not.

I remember you saying the books were not afraid of Dancer and Munchkin. Munchkin is betting computer derived numbers in sportsbetting these days. Walter’s was always betting computer derived numbers.

Question for the radio show: Do you think your opinion based handicapping methodology is on a par with Walter’s’ mathematics based methodology?

[redietz]

Honestly if you did something like this you could have a pretty highly regarded podcast episode.

Arguing a wrong opinion about EV or the morality of abusing bonuses isn't going to go anywhere. What you do have though is a great memory of LV when it was more interesting. I'm not calling you up to shit on you in general. I don't care enough. But you actually could make a decent enough podcast episode if you talking about historical stuff and not this "call me up ya maroons and let me tell you why I live in Bubble Butt TN"

Going further into this - you have stated the reason to not be anonymous is to have opportunities. You're not going to get any opportunities from a podcast where you argue silly positions on sports betting. That stuff has been rehashed infinite. What you have is a history from some of LV's more exciting years. Stick with that. The right person listens to THAT podcast and you might wind up with an actual opportunity.

Arguing your sports betting prowess isn't going to do it for various reasons which I'll leave off because I'd rather this post be taken seriously.

You do realize my "wrong opinion" regarding the use of the term "EV" for sports betting is also Munchkin's take on it? I was prepped to argue the point with Munchkin, but there was zero need.

The more I think about it, the proper inroad for a discussion is the parallel between Todd's distaste for poker manipulations and my/McCusker's/Boz's distaste for, as McCusker coined, "Scamdicappers." There is a rich history of nonsense, which Boz knows about as well as I do. I suspect Boz knows 90% of what I know and knows a couple of things I do not.

I remember you saying the books were not afraid of Dancer and Munchkin. Munchkin is betting computer derived numbers in sportsbetting these days. Walter’s was always betting computer derived numbers.

Question for the radio show: Do you think your opinion based handicapping methodology is on a par with Walter’s’ mathematics based methodology?

Do you ever read what you write, mickey?

Walters hired me. I didn't hire him (not that I could afford him). LOL. So I give up, is my handicapping methodology on a par with his?

Additional hint: You need to be more honest when you write stuff. Writing "Walters' mathematics based methodology" is a sneaky way to sidestep the issue of stating clearly whether Walters was doing his own handicapping. He hired teams of dozens of people over time, varying by sport. So whether they used "power ratings" or not is largely irrelevant. They were doing the handicapping, for the most part. Walters was more of an overseer, a boss. Even your weasely way of asking the question is rhetorical. Most of the people Walters hired used some form of power rating. Some did not. Obviously, some did not, because I did not. And even the premise is silly. People use heuristics all the time as mathematical short cuts that are often more precise than the math at hand, because the available math is limited by language and how that language is applied.

Now any and all of this obvious as hell, and I'm hoping you're just being adversarial, as opposed to dumb as a rock.

Finally, and this is another obvious one, mickey, how the hell do you know I don't use something as amorphous as "mathematics based methodology?" I mean -- LOL again -- do you have idea what you're talking about? Do you think I read entrails and and go by the colors of teams' jerseys? What the hell are you talking about? I was using more "mathematical based methodology" than just about anyone when I started.

Here's the thing -- have you ever even asked me how I do what I do? Because if you haven't or haven't asked one of my clients, then how the hell do you think I do what I do? Do you read minds? Are you omniscient? What clue do you have regarding how I do things?

You need to read and logic out what you're writing, my friend.

[redietz]

I know, I know -- (pats self on back) -- the concept that heuristics can be more precise than available math due to the limitations of language used with the math is revelatory for some of you. It should not be. It's obvious. A common problem when available math is applied to real world events.

It's not really assignation of language to math. It's assignation of math to language that's the issue.

No, I didn't get an advanced math degree from Penn State. I just played with the grad/faculty math department basketball team for a few years. It's like staying at a Holiday Inn Express.

P.S. Not kidding, by the way. We had a Romanian point guard, a Taiwanese off guard, and a (Red) Chinese power forward. Our second year together, we figured some things out and set a record by allowing fewer than 25 points a game. We won all of our games but lost our division to a Penn State football team squad, 25-22. A barn-burner.

[mcap]

Red, Mickey never even went to college. He’s allegedly just a 2 bit nickel keno hustler.

[Rob.Singer]

Red, when are you going to get it. If you're what you say you are and say you have been for decades, they WHAT IN THE WORLD compels you to constantly be trying so hard to convince the very few people on this very anemic forum of your prowess?

Either you're not giving it to us straight or you're doing the same exact thing kew does--you think posting long & rambling essays filled with smoke and mirrors is somehow gonna turn others into believers. And again, no "professional" worth his salt would EVER spend so much time arguing with and trying to convince others of ANYTHING. The only difference between you two is you use your thesaurus, and kew has the 4th-grader down the hall proofread his tales.

One other point you need to check yourself on: you scrambled to find excuses when you were a no-show for doing an interview with me after hitting the large hand, on the coast of Maine. That's been forgiven. But you apparently are simply too afraid to be interviewed in a public setting by anyone and everyone you claimed many times to be "open and available for". Why? What do you think all your customers and fans reading your continuous backtracking think when they see this fiasco?

In layman's words....shit or get off the pot. And stop with the made-up cousins, colleagues, friends, acquaintances, etc. etc. etc. who supposedly give you and your baloney credibility on ever subject on the forum.

I pop in and out of here during our travels, with the hope that I'll FINALLY see your interview is set up. I'd listen to it. I WANT it to be real.

[redietz]

Red, when are you going to get it. If you're what you say you are and say you have been for decades, they WHAT IN THE WORLD compels you to constantly be trying so hard to convince the very few people on this very anemic forum of your prowess?

Either you're not giving it to us straight or you're doing the same exact thing kew does--you think posting long & rambling essays filled with smoke and mirrors is somehow gonna turn others into believers. And again, no "professional" worth his salt would EVER spend so much time arguing with and trying to convince others of ANYTHING. The only difference between you two is you use your thesaurus, and kew has the 4th-grader down the hall proofread his tales.

One other point you need to check yourself on: you scrambled to find excuses when you were a no-show for doing an interview with me after hitting the large hand, on the coast of Maine. That's been forgiven. But you apparently are simply too afraid to be interviewed in a public setting by anyone and everyone you claimed many times to be "open and available for". Why? What do you think all your customers and fans reading your continuous backtracking think when they see this fiasco?

In layman's words....shit or get off the pot. And stop with the made-up cousins, colleagues, friends, acquaintances, etc. etc. etc. who supposedly give you and your baloney credibility on ever subject on the forum.

I pop in and out of here during our travels, with the hope that I'll FINALLY see your interview is set up. I'd listen to it. I WANT it to be real.

Usually I respect your editorial opinions (you are a decent writer), but frankly I thought I was a champion of low fog index with my previous post. I'm sorry if the math/language issues evade you.

Also sorry if you are imagining things. I have never backtracked on any interview, including yours. I just required a corroborating witness be present, in your case your wife. Sorry if that made you uncomfortable.

But let's examine the "too afraid to be interviewed in a public setting" stuff for a moment. I was interviewed by the Shenandoah Evening Herald, the Pottsville Republican, was vetted by Who's Who in Sports Gambling, gave a public presentation of a paper, "The Gambling Personality: An Interactional Approach" before a full house at the National Conference on Gambling and Risk-Taking at Bally's in Atlantic City. Also helmed a recent book club meeting filled with academics to discuss Billy Walter's biography. Also had an essay published in The Humanist magazine (with my smiling face). Had an Op-Ed regarding restrictions on sports gambling proposed by then-President Graham Spanier in the State College (Penn State) paper (kind of surprised they published it). While this is not much of a list, I don't think one could accuse me of being afraid to be interviewed in a public setting. I had a great Q&A at the National Conference on Gambling and Risk-Taking. Didn't you give a paper at one of their annual conferences? I think I heard rumors to that effect.

I'm working on getting on Joey Merlino's podcast, which would be awesome.

So if this constitutes "too afraid to be interviewed in a public setting," I guess I'm guilty.

[kewlJ]

"the Shenandoah Evening Herald, the Pottsville Republican"

I am sure all 8 of their readers enjoyed that.


The book club meeting of "gambling experts" held in Johnson City? Yeah that drew an overflow crowd. BUT only because it was raining that day and the Johnson City pie eating contest and sack race were cancelled.

Red, there is something really wrong with you. Have you considered that at all?

[redietz]

"the Shenandoah Evening Herald, the Pottsville Republican"

I am sure all 8 of their readers enjoyed that.


The book club meeting of "gambling experts" held in Johnson City? Yeah that drew an overflow crowd. BUT only because it was raining that day and the Johnson City pie eating contest and sack race were cancelled.

Red, there is something really wrong with you. Have you considered that at all?

The Pottsville paper won a Pulitzer. Not that I would expect you to know that. LOL.

Meanwhile, the majority of the people at the book club have doctorates (although none from Villanova), about half have published their own books, and all of them are published authors of multiple vetted papers.

And I noticed you cherry-picked from the list. I thought "APs" didn't do that, you know, ignoring a paper presentation at a national conference or an essay published across the country in The Humanist.

How's that alleged bonus exploitation going, KewlJ? It's a shame you picked a couple of places where I have accounts, or your bullshitting might have gone unnoticed. Well, not really. That 50-bet-a-day, working-off-my-bonus strategy is a real gem. Helps you slide under the radar like a charm.

You're actually pretty funny. Not sure if that's your intent, but you're a gem.

[accountinquestion]

The Pottsville paper won a Pulitzer. Not that I would expect you to know that. LOL.
.

Bro, we don't even know Pottsville IS.

[redietz]

The Pottsville paper won a Pulitzer. Not that I would expect you to know that. LOL.
.

Bro, we don't even know Pottsville IS.

Pottsville is the city featured as Gibbsville in John O'Hara's novels and stories. It's where the Molly Maguires were hung.



It's also the home of the original Yuengling brewery.

Also the site of the key robbery in the non-fiction "K&A Gang" book, featuring the estate of a guy I actually worked for (briefly).

[Rob.Singer]

Red, when are you going to get it. If you're what you say you are and say you have been for decades, they WHAT IN THE WORLD compels you to constantly be trying so hard to convince the very few people on this very anemic forum of your prowess?

Either you're not giving it to us straight or you're doing the same exact thing kew does--you think posting long & rambling essays filled with smoke and mirrors is somehow gonna turn others into believers. And again, no "professional" worth his salt would EVER spend so much time arguing with and trying to convince others of ANYTHING. The only difference between you two is you use your thesaurus, and kew has the 4th-grader down the hall proofread his tales.

One other point you need to check yourself on: you scrambled to find excuses when you were a no-show for doing an interview with me after hitting the large hand, on the coast of Maine. That's been forgiven. But you apparently are simply too afraid to be interviewed in a public setting by anyone and everyone you claimed many times to be "open and available for". Why? What do you think all your customers and fans reading your continuous backtracking think when they see this fiasco?

In layman's words....shit or get off the pot. And stop with the made-up cousins, colleagues, friends, acquaintances, etc. etc. etc. who supposedly give you and your baloney credibility on ever subject on the forum.

I pop in and out of here during our travels, with the hope that I'll FINALLY see your interview is set up. I'd listen to it. I WANT it to be real.

Usually I respect your editorial opinions (you are a decent writer), but frankly I thought I was a champion of low fog index with my previous post. I'm sorry if the math/language issues evade you.

Also sorry if you are imagining things. I have never backtracked on any interview, including yours. I just required a corroborating witness be present, in your case your wife. Sorry if that made you uncomfortable.

But let's examine the "too afraid to be interviewed in a public setting" stuff for a moment. I was interviewed by the Shenandoah Evening Herald, the Pottsville Republican, was vetted by Who's Who in Sports Gambling, gave a public presentation of a paper, "The Gambling Personality: An Interactional Approach" before a full house at the National Conference on Gambling and Risk-Taking at Bally's in Atlantic City. Also helmed a recent book club meeting filled with academics to discuss Billy Walter's biography. Also had an essay published in The Humanist magazine (with my smiling face). Had an Op-Ed regarding restrictions on sports gambling proposed by then-President Graham Spanier in the State College (Penn State) paper (kind of surprised they published it). While this is not much of a list, I don't think one could accuse me of being afraid to be interviewed in a public setting. I had a great Q&A at the National Conference on Gambling and Risk-Taking. Didn't you give a paper at one of their annual conferences? I think I heard rumors to that effect.

I'm working on getting on Joey Merlino's podcast, which would be awesome.

So if this constitutes "too afraid to be interviewed in a public setting," I guess I'm guilty.

My wife was OBVIOUSLY with me on our summer vacation red--just as she is now. Which you always knew.

The rest of your post is what everyone criticizes you for--lots of smoke, meaningless ramble, and self-aggrandizing bs. C'mon...you can do better if you want to. Kew's pathetic level is NOT where you want to reside. Book your interview.

[kewlJ]

Nobody gives a fuck Rob. You are long past relevant. You are a has-been. A ghost.

As for Red. Shit or get off the fucking pot, Dietz. How many more years are you going to drag this out?

[MDawg]

Kew is pretending he knows a lot of things he doesn’t know again.

[mickeycrimm]

You do realize my "wrong opinion" regarding the use of the term "EV" for sports betting is also Munchkin's take on it? I was prepped to argue the point with Munchkin, but there was zero need.

The more I think about it, the proper inroad for a discussion is the parallel between Todd's distaste for poker manipulations and my/McCusker's/Boz's distaste for, as McCusker coined, "Scamdicappers." There is a rich history of nonsense, which Boz knows about as well as I do. I suspect Boz knows 90% of what I know and knows a couple of things I do not.

I remember you saying the books were not afraid of Dancer and Munchkin. Munchkin is betting computer derived numbers in sportsbetting these days. Walter’s was always betting computer derived numbers.

Question for the radio show: Do you think your opinion based handicapping methodology is on a par with Walter’s’ mathematics based methodology?

Do you ever read what you write, mickey?

Walters hired me. I didn't hire him (not that I could afford him). LOL. So I give up, is my handicapping methodology on a par with his?

Additional hint: You need to be more honest when you write stuff. Writing "Walters' mathematics based methodology" is a sneaky way to sidestep the issue of stating clearly whether Walters was doing his own handicapping. He hired teams of dozens of people over time, varying by sport. So whether they used "power ratings" or not is largely irrelevant. They were doing the handicapping, for the most part. Walters was more of an overseer, a boss. Even your weasely way of asking the question is rhetorical. Most of the people Walters hired used some form of power rating. Some did not. Obviously, some did not, because I did not. And even the premise is silly. People use heuristics all the time as mathematical short cuts that are often more precise than the math at hand, because the available math is limited by language and how that language is applied.

Now any and all of this obvious as hell, and I'm hoping you're just being adversarial, as opposed to dumb as a rock.

Finally, and this is another obvious one, mickey, how the hell do you know I don't use something as amorphous as "mathematics based methodology?" I mean -- LOL again -- do you have idea what you're talking about? Do you think I read entrails and and go by the colors of teams' jerseys? What the hell are you talking about? I was using more "mathematical based methodology" than just about anyone when I started.

Here's the thing -- have you ever even asked me how I do what I do? Because if you haven't or haven't asked one of my clients, then how the hell do you think I do what I do? Do you read minds? Are you omniscient? What clue do you have regarding how I do things?

You need to read and logic out what you're writing, my friend.

Walter’s hired you then fired you 6 months later. BTW, why would a “world class handicapper” need a job? You should have been filthy rich from your vastly superior hunch betting. Bwahahahaha!!!!

While reading the book it was glaringly apparent to me that Walter’s was not tabulating the power ratings himself. During the season the ratings had to be updated weekly, on what, 32 teams? Massive work to put those powers rating together. So what was the point of it all if he didn’t use it?

But the mathematically derived power ratings were delivered to him and he bet accordingly. If Team A had a 7 rating and their opponent had a 4 rating it meant Team A should be a 3 point favorite. So he would lay the favorite at -1.5 or take the dog at +4.5. He didn’t care which side he bet, only that he got the mathematical value. Walters didn’t bet hunches.

Hunches are for redietz and two dogs copulating.

[mickeycrimm]

Red, Mickey never even went to college. He’s allegedly just a 2 bit nickel keno hustler.

What are u doing here? It’s time for the renigg at the car wash.

[mcap]

Hurry up Mickey,

You might miss the bus to go donate plasma.

[mickeycrimm]

Hurry up Mickey,

You might miss the bus to go donate plasma.

Ask your boss for a 25 cent an hour raise. Porter to the men’s room! Mcrap to the men’s room! Bring a mop!

[redietz]

Nobody gives a fuck Rob. You are long past relevant. You are a has-been. A ghost.

As for Red. Shit or get off the fucking pot, Dietz. How many more years are you going to drag this out?

I think this is what the KewlJ(s) term "misdirection." Their classic bullshitting presented as fact. They do this over and over and over.

What am I supposed to do? Call into myself?

[redietz]

The Pottsville paper won a Pulitzer. Not that I would expect you to know that. LOL.
.

Bro, we don't even know Pottsville IS.

Pottsville is the city featured as Gibbsville in John O'Hara's novels and stories. It's where the Molly Maguires were hung.



It's also the home of the original Yuengling brewery.

Also the site of the key robbery in the non-fiction "K&A Gang" book, featuring the estate of a guy I actually worked for (briefly).

Update to this answer. A friend of mine attended a funeral in the neighborhood of Pottsville yesterday and got to chat with a real life billionaire, Dick Yuengling.

The funeral was for the son of a famous local bookmaker. I'm a little taken aback, as I believe the son was a couple years younger than me, but I will check on that. I had met the son at a local club, The Treadway, on a couple occasions.