Originally Posted by kewlJ
Maybe you did well 3 of the final 5 years. Noone is doubting you had some good years that you cherry-pick when selling to your "clients".Originally Posted by redietz
Are you just going to ignore the fact that Kim Lee also has all those copies of T & G and after studying them and your results in their entirety, it sound like he doesn't think you did all the well.....as per the maybe you broke about even if your wife was supporting you comment.
Red, YOU did this. You talked shit about this Tipsters & Gypsters from 20, 30, 40 years ago, thinking there was no one to challenge you. You practically invited Kim Lee here. I just passed along the invitation. And he has all but shot holes in your entire claims, which you have been claiming the whole time I have been on this forum.
So don't talk to me about the Kewl(s), which is bullshit. It is just me.
Again, you are incorrect. I was with "Tipsters or Gypsters?" for roughly 10 years. I had two losing seasons, which is exactly on the pace I have reported, which is that I have lost once every six to seven years. I lost my first year with McCusker, after a ridiculous slam-bang record writing a column for a newspaper the year before. McCusker's numbers, and the reason he stopped publishing, were extremely tough on handicappers because he pinned you down to Fri/Sat lines from one location, which resulted in at least a 2% to 3% overall degradation versus actual likely betting records, but he did that so as to provide numbers most of his readership would have used. That's why handicappers migrated to other monitors, such as the Oklahoma City Sports Monitor, where you could call in whenever lines were most favorable. I stayed with McCusker to the end, because I thought the way he did things was the proper way. He editorialized based on what he knew about various handicappers.
Again, the multi-year ratings in the final years of "Tipsters or Gypsters?" summarized things nicely. Kim Lee may have been focused on NFL plays, which I did after the first two or three seasons. But the NFL plays were rated 1 to 5 units, while the college plays were 5 to 20 units, with a unit representing a certain percentage of bankroll, all of which was explained in "Tipsters or Gypsters?" While I did manage an NFL percentage #2 rating one season, it was with a very small number of plays, and I'm sure my NFL percentage dragged my college percentage down if you combined the two. Initially I tried to get away with not doing the NFL, but the client ratios were too daunting. About 10% of bettors were college-only, 30% were NFL-only, and 60% did both.
If you wind up the top college profit guy three times in five years ('86, '89, and '90), and you were the #3 college profit guy back in '83, that's not a bad record for 10 years of doing it. That 1990 "Tipsters or Gypsters?" was the last, by the way.
Kim Lee is no sock. I had some email exchanges with him way back when. I may have actually spoken to him on the phone once, but I'm not sure about that.
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