Professional Sportsbetting

[AxelWolf]

Anyone who believes someome is hitting 80% to 90% on baccarat ties over 10 bets is fucking retarded.

[coach belly]

Anyone who believes someome is hitting 80% to 90% on baccarat ties over 10 bets is fucking retarded.

Day drinking and he's thinking of who?

[mickeycrimm]

You don't have to give up MrV. You have some money. Come to Vegas and donate (lose) like dawg does and you too will be treated well and loved by the casinos.

LOL

As a recreational gambler there's no need for me to travel to LV in order to get fleeced...the Indians in Oregon are more than happy to accommodate me in that regard.

You're fortunate they don't scalp you. Reparations and all.

Indian casino no scalp'em paleface. Just scalp'em wallet.

[mickeycrimm]

[AxelWolf]

10 min in

Krack is saying he was structuring stuffing 30k in the machines and saying you can't go over the 10k mark, that's the exact opposite of structuring. Whatever Krack is saying there is totally off. Then later, Krack said, in the future, they should not go over the 10k mark. <<< That's structuring

From everything I heard so far, the kid is not structuring, he is simply circumventing the limits. He should get paid, period.

[MDawg]

Nervous, fidgety, constantly drunken, can't sit still can't stop interrupting people, and perennially forgetting what he just said a bit ago.

[DGenBen]

10 min in

Krack is saying he was structuring stuffing 30k in the machines and saying you can't go over the 10k mark, that's the exact opposite of structuring. Whatever Krack is saying there is totally off. Then later, Krack said, in the future, they should not go over the 10k mark. <<< That's structuring

From everything I heard so far, the kid is not structuring, he is simply circumventing the limits. He should get paid, period.

My favorite is when people say about this kid “He crossed state lines to place these bets”

When like 90% of tourists in Las Vegas are from out of state.

Crossed state lines sounds like some sort of nefarious thing, but people are allowed to cross state lines and gamble at casinos in different states.

No one is limited to gambling in casinos only within their state of residence or Nevada’s gaming industry, (Not to mention Oklahoma’s) would be devastated

[AxelWolf]

10 min in

Krack is saying he was structuring stuffing 30k in the machines and saying you can't go over the 10k mark, that's the exact opposite of structuring. Whatever Krack is saying there is totally off. Then later, Krack said, in the future, they should not go over the 10k mark. <<< That's structuring

From everything I heard so far, the kid is not structuring, he is simply circumventing the limits. He should get paid, period.

My favorite is when people say about this kid “He crossed state lines to place these bets”

When like 90% of tourists in Las Vegas are from out of state.

Crossed state lines sounds like some sort of nefarious thing, but people are allowed to cross state lines and gamble at casinos in different states.

No one is limited to gambling in casinos only within their state of residence or Nevada’s gaming industry, (Not to mention Oklahoma’s) would be devastated

Great observation, and point made.

[mickeycrimm]

[kewlJ]

So, my own sports betting....the bonus whoring is not going nearly as well as it did last year, when this play was my biggest money making AP play.

So far this year (including December) I have completed 4 cycles. That is a deposit, get bonus, play through rollover requirements, and hopefully cash out with a profit. I usually complete about 1 cycle a month between the 5 sports books I use. So, of the 3 cycles completed this year and one in December, I was stiffed out of the bonus money (profit) on one. Had two small winning cycles. And now a cycle that finished slightly in the red. First one of those. I am not getting the great bonuses I got last year which is why I am winning a lot less. That and some real bad results, possibly variance.

So the cycle I just finished, slightly in the red, presents a bit of a problem. If I withdraw the money, as I usually do at the end of a cycle, when I make my next deposit, I will not qualify for any bonus. I am not sure if I can just leave the current money there and make another deposit on top of the money in there and get a bonus on the new deposit. I think maybe I can because the site talks about and I get emails about "topping off your account". So that may be an option. If not this will probably be the second sports book I lose in just a few months. I knew this play (bonus whoring) wouldn't last forever the way I was aggressively hitting it. That end may be coming sooner rather than later.

[AxelWolf]

So, my own sports betting....the bonus whoring is not going nearly as well as it did last year, when this play was my biggest money making AP play.

So far this year (including December) I have completed 4 cycles. That is a deposit, get bonus, play through rollover requirements, and hopefully cash out with a profit. I usually complete about 1 cycle a month between the 5 sports books I use. So, of the 3 cycles completed this year and one in December, I was stiffed out of the bonus money (profit) on one. Had two small winning cycles. And now a cycle that finished slightly in the red. First one of those. I am not getting the great bonuses I got last year which is why I am winning a lot less. That and some real bad results, possibly variance.

So the cycle I just finished, slightly in the red, presents a bit of a problem. If I withdraw the money, as I usually do at the end of a cycle, when I make my next deposit, I will not qualify for any bonus. I am not sure if I can just leave the current money there and make another deposit on top of the money in there and get a bonus on the new deposit. I think maybe I can because the site talks about and I get emails about "topping off your account". So that may be an option. If not this will probably be the second sports book I lose in just a few months. I knew this play (bonus whoring) wouldn't last forever the way I was aggressively hitting it. That end may be coming sooner rather than later.

I will never end if you do it right. Find more places, find more accounts, find ways to funnel money out of your accounts, making you appear to be a loser. One must not only appear to be making smart bets.

Lose or look like a square = more bonuses. You must be willing to give up some EV to keep the +EV coming. It's just like cover play in BJ.

Let's say you have completed or are close to completing your WR's and you're up 10k at one book, but you haven't cashed anything out yet. You suspect that once you do, you're going to get noticed and possibly cut off. Wait until there are some big games they are taking big bets on. Shop lines at other books until you can minimize your vig, get a middle, or arb of some kind and make big offsetting bets. Hopefully, you lose at the place where they are going to cut you off at. If you win, no big deal since they were going to cut you off anyway.

[MDawg]

I do find it hard to believe that a guy who's admittedly only given minimal action gets 21k in bonuses with only a 4.7 x rollover. No need to tell me you get better deals when negotiating with your account manager, I bet I told you that in the first place.

I have seen upwards of 20k+ losses and they are unwilling to give even 1k in deposit bonuses with less than a 10x rollover. Yet you, a small bettor managed to get 21k in bonuses with an average of 4.7 x wagering requirements. That's mostly unheard of today on any of the top 20 offshore joints. Obviously a complete big gambling degenerate might get something special. I don’t believe you are telling the whole story here.

[kewlJ]

I will never end if you do it right. Find more places, find more accounts,

How to you find more "places" that you are likely not to have a problem with? Is there a legitimate website, not associated with or sponsored by online books that monitors and rates them? Or is it strictly based on experiences of people you know and network with? and some trial and error?

I do have the option of second and third accounts using friends and relatives. I just haven't wanted to do that YET, incase they developed an interest in doing some of what I am doing based on having watched me do it. But so far they have not.

I also tried that transfer thing once. Made offsetting bets at casinos, trying to get funds from one to the other and it backfired. Ended up with more money at the casino I didn't want. I guess you could keep trying until you hit it right.

[MDawg]

kewlJ is basically the Boy Who Cried Wolf of these AP forums. He has lied so many times that it's impossible to believe any stories he tells.

[kewlJ]

Will you shut the fuck up and stop hijacking EVERY legit discussion, you fucking sand nigger!

God you are a low life. Go fuck a camel or something.

[AxelWolf]

I do find it hard to believe that a guy who's admittedly only given minimal action gets 21k in bonuses with only a 4.7 x rollover. No need to tell me you get better deals when negotiating with your account manager, I bet I told you that in the first place.

I have seen upwards of 20k+ losses and they are unwilling to give even 1k in deposit bonuses with less than a 10x rollover. Yet you, a small bettor managed to get 21k in bonuses with an average of 4.7 x wagering requirements. That's mostly unheard of today on any of the top 20 offshore joints. Obviously a complete big gambling degenerate might get something special. I don’t believe you are telling the whole story here.

I do believe KJ is doing online bonuses. At what level and how often, I can't say.


Yes, it's true, I do find it hard to believe he averaged only 4.7 times required wagering requirements on 21k for bonuses of 100% or better. That's one hell of an advantage. 50% or less in bonuses, I could believe.

Also, the math added up when MC did a breakdown, and KJ confirmed(?); however, IIRC, MC was assuming bonus money worked like a regular 100% bonus based on the information he was given/read, thus giving the bonuses full value -vig and roll over. However, I believe we are dealing with situations where any bets made only return the amount you win, and the bonus money disappears once you make the bet. So, how or why did the math seem to add up? It should have been way different.

I don't care to go back and look at the exact details, it's not important to me.

Agian, I'm fairly certain, based on everything KJ said and discussed regarding the sports bonuses, that he has had to have participated in doing it firsthand.

If things have been changed to protect his identity, hide exactly what he had done, and where. Who knows?

[MDawg]

which is why we got so many changing and bizarre versions of the same story.

[Keystone]

which is why we got so many changing and bizarre versions of the same story.

Fact- you’re a bigger liar than KJ, SandMutt

[kewlJ]

I do find it hard to believe that a guy who's admittedly only given minimal action gets 21k in bonuses with only a 4.7 x rollover. No need to tell me you get better deals when negotiating with your account manager, I bet I told you that in the first place.

I have seen upwards of 20k+ losses and they are unwilling to give even 1k in deposit bonuses with less than a 10x rollover. Yet you, a small bettor managed to get 21k in bonuses with an average of 4.7 x wagering requirements. That's mostly unheard of today on any of the top 20 offshore joints. Obviously a complete big gambling degenerate might get something special. I don’t believe you are telling the whole story here.

I do believe KJ is doing online bonuses. At what level and how often, I can't say.


Yes, it's true, I do find it hard to believe he averaged only 4.7 times required wagering requirements on 21k for bonuses of 100% or better. That's one hell of an advantage. 50% or less in bonuses, I could believe.

Also, the math added up when MC did a breakdown, and KJ confirmed(?); however, IIRC, MC was assuming bonus money worked like a regular 100% bonus based on the information he was given/read, thus giving the bonuses full value -vig and roll over. However, I believe we are dealing with situations where any bets made only return the amount you win, and the bonus money disappears once you make the bet. So, how or why did the math seem to add up? It should have been way different.

I don't care to go back and look at the exact details, it's not important to me.

Agian, I'm fairly certain, based on everything KJ said and discussed regarding the sports bonuses, that he has had to have participated in doing it firsthand.

If things have been changed to protect his identity, hide exactly what he had done, and where. Who knows?

I will tell you this much....it is freaking consuming more and more of my time, for less and less money (from when I started).

Part of that is because I like to watch sports and the games I am involved with. Many people betting sports don't even watch the games, just check afterwords. I do like to watch my games.

And secondly, when I started and had some really great bonuses, I could just pick games almost any way I wanted. I could coin flip if I wanted and would make money because of the large bonuses I was getting. Now that the bonuses are smaller I have to really try to find better ways to pick games. I check line movements, and percentages of money bet on each team, run simulations, and yes check weather (especially which way the wind is blowing) on baseball games. You get a game that the wind is blowing straight out like Baltimore yesterday and even a high run total is no match for 11 homeruns combined by the teams. Same with Dan Druffs SF/Colorado pick. Looked like a good pitching match up with low run total but with wind blowing straight out, only 2 homeruns, but lots of doubles and triples. If only they were all that easy.

Anyway I spend several hours each morning making my selections with the sims and all, and then 4, 5 hours watching games, more if day games. Very time consuming. It is a good thing I am not grinding blackjack daily anymore, but rather just busier weekends.

I never meant for sports betting to be as time consuming as it has become. So, if I start losing more books, it may be time to scale back a bit and spend a little more time playing blackjack again.

[MDawg]

Whenever someone dodges the primary allegations and jumps to technicalities in order to "prove" their side, it's a safe bet that they're guilty of something.