This Ain't No Poll

[Rob.Singer]

Nope--this is a real gambling-related topic that might be too hot for most of the slunks around here.

I never go back thru threads to look up stuff in this place. A few weeks ago I think mickey may have been the one to post a recent LVA interview of Bob Dancer? Within it Dancer mentioned something eye-opening that at the very least should have piqued the interest of kew, who is no stranger at getting pissed off over claims of incredible winning by other people not sanctioned by him.

During the discussion with Anthony Curtis it was brought up that within one 12 month period--assuming some sort of promotion at a local now-closed bar on Eastern (Doc Holliday's)--Bob hit "25 to 30 $50,000 royals, which caused them to not allow him to play there anymore".

Now I'm guessing that these were all $10 royals with a $10k bonus attached to them for the promotion, due to a lack of specific information.

Can any of the hot shots around here explain this? A local bar that gets hit up for over $1.25mil by a famous local name over a 1-year time frame? They just let him keep coming in to destroy them? Did he single-handedly cause their demise?

I like the story, but I'm having trouble squaring it.

[kewlJ]

Seems like an interesting enough topic. Not sure what it has to do with me that I have a mention by you, other than you being obsessed with me, seems to think everything is about me.

But like I said, interesting enough that I would take a listen if you can link to or direct to which of mickey's videos/interviews it was, as a quick google search of doc holidays turned up nothing.

And what the fuck are you even talking about with "winnings sanctioned by me". I am genuinely happy for anyone and I mean anyone, even someone I might not care for that much that legitimately beats or wins at a casino. You seem to be confusing that with that I don't like when people like you and dawg make up completely bogus long-term win claims that defy math and everything else about reality. is that it? Is that what you are talking about and what your problem is. That I don't care for your bogus bullshit?

But, great thread Rob. Thanks for wasting everyone's time.

[mickeycrimm]

[redietz]

Seems like an interesting enough topic. Not sure what it has to do with me that I have a mention by you, other than you being obsessed with me, seems to think everything is about me.

But like I said, interesting enough that I would take a listen if you can link to or direct to which of mickey's videos/interviews it was, as a quick google search of doc holidays turned up nothing.

And what the fuck are you even talking about with "winnings sanctioned by me". I am genuinely happy for anyone and I mean anyone, even someone I might not care for that much that legitimately beats or wins at a casino. You seem to be confusing that with that I don't like when people like you and dawg make up completely bogus long-term win claims that defy math and everything else about reality. is that it? Is that what you are talking about and what your problem is. That I don't care for your bogus bullshit?

But, great thread Rob. Thanks for wasting everyone's time.

Anyone who thinks they are providing cover for themselves by playing 30 to 50 plays a day at Oddsmaker.ag in service of working off bonuses under various names has zero credentials to criticize people about "the way things work." Unless, of course, they are betting a sawbuck a game and nobody cares.

So either the Oddsmaker.ag story is as much bullshit as any double-up claim or winning 50 out of 52 sessions claim, or the dude writing these stories is betting ten bucks a side, in which case nobody cares.

See, the problem with chastising people for not reporting all of reality is that when you yourself get caught bullshitting, you come off as a (A) real hypocrite, (B) a liar, and/or (C) sawbuck-betting idiot. I guess I need to start a poll regarding which of these labels best fits kewlJ.

But the question then arises, why bullshit about Oddsmaker.ag? Well, like many alleged "APs," the kewlJ finds his blackjack narratives drying up or less convincing. I mean, there is a reason Curtis, mentioned in the post above, and Munchkin play almost no LV blackjack. But we are led to believe that kewlJ skates through LV unscathed and unbowed because he has cornered the market on being a ghost.

Sure he has. And he whacks Oddsmaker.ag for bonus after bonus by betting 30 to 50 plays a day there under various names, all while connecting from LV like the James Bond of the internet.

[kewlJ]

Thanks mickey. Will take a listen. Haven't seen video of Dancer for a while. He looks old. I guess that is better than the alternative.

[mickeycrimm]

Bob starts talking about the vegas bars at 15:20.

[mickeycrimm]

The Change Boys get mentioned at 18:15. That was Axel and his crew.

The place where Bob hit all the royals was actually called Ray's.

Axel has written some about the vegas bars. Perhaps he could tell us a little more.

[MDawg]

No one with any sense cottons to outed compulsively lying sociopaths, making comments on anything, at all.

So, 'git, like you said you would. The End.

[kewlJ]

Seems like an interesting enough topic. Not sure what it has to do with me that I have a mention by you, other than you being obsessed with me, seems to think everything is about me.

But like I said, interesting enough that I would take a listen if you can link to or direct to which of mickey's videos/interviews it was, as a quick google search of doc holidays turned up nothing.

And what the fuck are you even talking about with "winnings sanctioned by me". I am genuinely happy for anyone and I mean anyone, even someone I might not care for that much that legitimately beats or wins at a casino. You seem to be confusing that with that I don't like when people like you and dawg make up completely bogus long-term win claims that defy math and everything else about reality. is that it? Is that what you are talking about and what your problem is. That I don't care for your bogus bullshit?

But, great thread Rob. Thanks for wasting everyone's time.

Anyone who thinks they are providing cover for themselves by playing 30 to 50 plays a day at Oddsmaker.ag in service of working off bonuses under various names has zero credentials to criticize people about "the way things work." Unless, of course, they are betting a sawbuck a game and nobody cares.

So either the Oddsmaker.ag story is as much bullshit as any double-up claim or winning 50 out of 52 sessions claim, or the dude writing these stories is betting ten bucks a side, in which case nobody cares.

See, the problem with chastising people for not reporting all of reality is that when you yourself get caught bullshitting, you come off as a (A) real hypocrite, (B) a liar, and/or (C) sawbuck-betting idiot. I guess I need to start a poll regarding which of these labels best fits kewlJ.

But the question then arises, why bullshit about Oddsmaker.ag? Well, like many alleged "APs," the kewlJ finds his blackjack narratives drying up or less convincing. I mean, there is a reason Curtis, mentioned in the post above, and Munchkin play almost no LV blackjack. But we are led to believe that kewlJ skates through LV unscathed and unbowed because he has cornered the market on being a ghost.

Sure he has. And he whacks Oddsmaker.ag for bonus after bonus by betting 30 to 50 plays a day there under various names, all while connecting from LV like the James Bond of the internet.

Bob Dietz, you are a liar. I try to give people the benefit of doubt, maybe misunderstanding something, ect, but you just repeatedly lie, misrepresent and just flat out make up shit to fit your little narrative that you are the greatest sports bettor and no one else can win any money betting sports.

First of all, why did you need to hijack this thread discussion about Dancer and video poker? There aren't enough threads on the topic of sports betting or about me (where there are dozens of threads) that you couldn't address this there rather than hijacking someone elses thread? WTF!!

Now to the jist of it: I don't play either of the sports books you like to mention youwager or oddsmaker. I did. They were the first two I moved on from. One dropped me, and one I dropped after an incident. So stop talking about those sites in regard to me and what I do.

second, I said from the very beginning, that I was going to hit what I was doing with the bonus whoring pretty hard. Pretty aggressively. KNOWING I would lose books. I was never in this sports betting for the long run, like I am blackjack. I hit aggressively and when it ends it ends.

third. 50 bets a day. Man, you just can't get past that can you. first I believe I said 30-50 a day. But no matter. lets go with 50 (during a busy Saturday during college football or basketball when there are several hundred games and 6-8 hundred wagers available when including sides, totals, half time wagers, money lines ect. So say I do pick 50 wagers, not really games because often I will have 3, 4 different wagers on one game, spreading the wagers around a bit for variance reasons. 10 wagers at 5 different books (50 total). Big fucking deal. I doubt it is a huge red flag for a sports book to have a customer who bets 10 games on a Saturday in September of February when there are hundreds of college football and basketball games going on.

I am doing volume betting. I don't blindly pick my bets. I have different reasons, but in the end it is just about getting bets down and through the rollover requirements as quickly as I can. I get that isn't how YOU, the greatest sports bettor in the last 40 years does things. So do what you do and leave me alone, fucktard.

Still waiting on this interview you are ducking!!

[Rob.Singer]

Seems like an interesting enough topic. Not sure what it has to do with me that I have a mention by you, other than you being obsessed with me, seems to think everything is about me.

But like I said, interesting enough that I would take a listen if you can link to or direct to which of mickey's videos/interviews it was, as a quick google search of doc holidays turned up nothing.

And what the fuck are you even talking about with "winnings sanctioned by me". I am genuinely happy for anyone and I mean anyone, even someone I might not care for that much that legitimately beats or wins at a casino. You seem to be confusing that with that I don't like when people like you and dawg make up completely bogus long-term win claims that defy math and everything else about reality. is that it? Is that what you are talking about and what your problem is. That I don't care for your bogus bullshit?

But, great thread Rob. Thanks for wasting everyone's time.

Anyone who thinks they are providing cover for themselves by playing 30 to 50 plays a day at Oddsmaker.ag in service of working off bonuses under various names has zero credentials to criticize people about "the way things work." Unless, of course, they are betting a sawbuck a game and nobody cares.

So either the Oddsmaker.ag story is as much bullshit as any double-up claim or winning 50 out of 52 sessions claim, or the dude writing these stories is betting ten bucks a side, in which case nobody cares.

See, the problem with chastising people for not reporting all of reality is that when you yourself get caught bullshitting, you come off as a (A) real hypocrite, (B) a liar, and/or (C) sawbuck-betting idiot. I guess I need to start a poll regarding which of these labels best fits kewlJ.

But the question then arises, why bullshit about Oddsmaker.ag? Well, like many alleged "APs," the kewlJ finds his blackjack narratives drying up or less convincing. I mean, there is a reason Curtis, mentioned in the post above, and Munchkin play almost no LV blackjack. But we are led to believe that kewlJ skates through LV unscathed and unbowed because he has cornered the market on being a ghost.

Sure he has. And he whacks Oddsmaker.ag for bonus after bonus by betting 30 to 50 plays a day there under various names, all while connecting from LV like the James Bond of the internet.

Bob Dietz, you are a liar. I try to give people the benefit of doubt, maybe misunderstanding something, ect, but you just repeatedly lie, misrepresent and just flat out make up shit to fit your little narrative that you are the greatest sports bettor and no one else can win any money betting sports.

First of all, why did you need to hijack this thread discussion about Dancer and video poker? There aren't enough threads on the topic of sports betting or about me (where there are dozens of threads) that you couldn't address this there rather than hijacking someone elses thread? WTF!!

Now to the jist of it: I don't play either of the sports books you like to mention youwager or oddsmaker. I did. They were the first two I moved on from. One dropped me, and one I dropped after an incident. So stop talking about those sites in regard to me and what I do.

second, I said from the very beginning, that I was going to hit what I was doing with the bonus whoring pretty hard. Pretty aggressively. KNOWING I would lose books. I was never in this sports betting for the long run, like I am blackjack. I hit aggressively and when it ends it ends.

third. 50 bets a day. Man, you just can't get past that can you. first I believe I said 30-50 a day. But no matter. lets go with 50 (during a busy Saturday during college football or basketball when there are several hundred games and 6-8 hundred wagers available when including sides, totals, half time wagers, money lines ect. So say I do pick 50 wagers, not really games because often I will have 3, 4 different wagers on one game, spreading the wagers around a bit for variance reasons. 10 wagers at 5 different books (50 total). Big fucking deal. I doubt it is a huge red flag for a sports book to have a customer who bets 10 games on a Saturday in September of February when there are hundreds of college football and basketball games going on.

I am doing volume betting. I don't blindly pick my bets. I have different reasons, but in the end it is just about getting bets down and through the rollover requirements as quickly as I can. I get that isn't how YOU, the greatest sports bettor in the last 40 years does things. So do what you do and leave me alone, fucktard.

Still waiting on this interview you are ducking!!

Kew, recognize your problem. It took you all those words to say very little in response to Red's post. That is what not being sure of yourself is all about. And it's also a telltale sign that one is lying, which is a key reason their word salad is going nowhere.

[kewlJ]

Kew, recognize your problem. It took you all those words to say very little in response to Red's post. That is what not being sure of yourself is all about. And it's also a telltale sign that one is lying, which is a key reason their word salad is going nowhere.

Sush, old man.

[Rob.Singer]

The Change Boys get mentioned at 18:15. That was Axel and his crew.

The place where Bob hit all the royals was actually called Ray's.

Axel has written some about the vegas bars. Perhaps he could tell us a little more.

Yes I just re-listened. It was Ray's, but those 25-30 $50k royals were over just 9 months, not 12 like I first thought I heard. That makes it even more stupifying. If ANYONE were to do that in any LV casino while using an inserted slot card, assuming they're winning like we're assuming about Bob, said casino would stop that player cold in his tracks--and far sooner than 25-30 huge royals. But here we have a well-known LV LOCAL VIDEO POKER PRO mopping up at a local neighborhood bar month after month after month, and what'd they do--look the other way and just kept on accepting the punishment?

Or....could he have been LOSING for maybe 6 months and then started getting luckier with making a profit near the end of his stint? Can axel help on this?

Either way, it had to take tons of daily play to get to that point. That's hard to stomach.

[Rob.Singer]

Seems like an interesting enough topic. Not sure what it has to do with me that I have a mention by you, other than you being obsessed with me, seems to think everything is about me.

But like I said, interesting enough that I would take a listen if you can link to or direct to which of mickey's videos/interviews it was, as a quick google search of doc holidays turned up nothing.

And what the fuck are you even talking about with "winnings sanctioned by me". I am genuinely happy for anyone and I mean anyone, even someone I might not care for that much that legitimately beats or wins at a casino. You seem to be confusing that with that I don't like when people like you and dawg make up completely bogus long-term win claims that defy math and everything else about reality. is that it? Is that what you are talking about and what your problem is. That I don't care for your bogus bullshit?

But, great thread Rob. Thanks for wasting everyone's time.

Kew, learn something. What I've said about my ability to win mostly at -EV games over the long term (keeping my DU bug winnings and the $1.5 mil jackpot aside for the purposes of this discussion) is that it is not something that beats the math.

But where you lose yourself is when you haven't the intellectual capacity to understand that there would be no such tool as a Bell Curve if no data ever showed up on the other side. No I have not beaten the math; but yes, I am significantly ahead. AND ABSOLUTELY, the math allows for this possibility to occur. Study hard enuf and it may also cure your Mdawg Derangement Syndrome.

[redietz]

Anyone who thinks they are providing cover for themselves by playing 30 to 50 plays a day at Oddsmaker.ag in service of working off bonuses under various names has zero credentials to criticize people about "the way things work." Unless, of course, they are betting a sawbuck a game and nobody cares.

So either the Oddsmaker.ag story is as much bullshit as any double-up claim or winning 50 out of 52 sessions claim, or the dude writing these stories is betting ten bucks a side, in which case nobody cares.

See, the problem with chastising people for not reporting all of reality is that when you yourself get caught bullshitting, you come off as a (A) real hypocrite, (B) a liar, and/or (C) sawbuck-betting idiot. I guess I need to start a poll regarding which of these labels best fits kewlJ.

But the question then arises, why bullshit about Oddsmaker.ag? Well, like many alleged "APs," the kewlJ finds his blackjack narratives drying up or less convincing. I mean, there is a reason Curtis, mentioned in the post above, and Munchkin play almost no LV blackjack. But we are led to believe that kewlJ skates through LV unscathed and unbowed because he has cornered the market on being a ghost.

Sure he has. And he whacks Oddsmaker.ag for bonus after bonus by betting 30 to 50 plays a day there under various names, all while connecting from LV like the James Bond of the internet.

Bob Dietz, you are a liar. I try to give people the benefit of doubt, maybe misunderstanding something, ect, but you just repeatedly lie, misrepresent and just flat out make up shit to fit your little narrative that you are the greatest sports bettor and no one else can win any money betting sports.

First of all, why did you need to hijack this thread discussion about Dancer and video poker? There aren't enough threads on the topic of sports betting or about me (where there are dozens of threads) that you couldn't address this there rather than hijacking someone elses thread? WTF!!

Now to the jist of it: I don't play either of the sports books you like to mention youwager or oddsmaker. I did. They were the first two I moved on from. One dropped me, and one I dropped after an incident. So stop talking about those sites in regard to me and what I do.

second, I said from the very beginning, that I was going to hit what I was doing with the bonus whoring pretty hard. Pretty aggressively. KNOWING I would lose books. I was never in this sports betting for the long run, like I am blackjack. I hit aggressively and when it ends it ends.

third. 50 bets a day. Man, you just can't get past that can you. first I believe I said 30-50 a day. But no matter. lets go with 50 (during a busy Saturday during college football or basketball when there are several hundred games and 6-8 hundred wagers available when including sides, totals, half time wagers, money lines ect. So say I do pick 50 wagers, not really games because often I will have 3, 4 different wagers on one game, spreading the wagers around a bit for variance reasons. 10 wagers at 5 different books (50 total). Big fucking deal. I doubt it is a huge red flag for a sports book to have a customer who bets 10 games on a Saturday in September of February when there are hundreds of college football and basketball games going on.

I am doing volume betting. I don't blindly pick my bets. I have different reasons, but in the end it is just about getting bets down and through the rollover requirements as quickly as I can. I get that isn't how YOU, the greatest sports bettor in the last 40 years does things. So do what you do and leave me alone, fucktard.

Still waiting on this interview you are ducking!!

Kew, recognize your problem. It took you all those words to say very little in response to Red's post. That is what not being sure of yourself is all about. And it's also a telltale sign that one is lying, which is a key reason their word salad is going nowhere.

KewlJ doesn't quite get it. His problem is that when he bullshits about something someone else actually knows something about, he tends to step in bullshit. He does it again and again.

I have somewhere over half a million bet at Oddsmaker over the last 10 years or thereabouts. I would have to call them to get an exact figure. They are a boutique site. By that I mean they do not have many clients, and they do not deal in huge volumes. KewlJ trying to do what he's reported would get flagged almost immediately...unless he's betting a sawbuck a game. His profile would be unusual in and of itself, and then to repeat the pattern of that profile again and again would yield instant red flags...unless he's betting a sawbuck a game, in which case nobody cares.

Yeah, he's "volume betting," then withdrawing, then bonusing, then "volume betting" again under different names. All to exploit bonuses at Oddsmaker.ag. That's the ticket.

Has anyone else noticed that as soon as KewlJ steps away from his blackjack, he has no idea what is doable and what isn't? It's a curious thing. He doesn't wax poetic about advantage slots because mickey can correct him. He doesn't give any details regarding Las Vegas' actual gestalt because anyone can correct him. He takes a shot at the "new thing," sports betting, and mucks his credibility almost immediately.

Kewl's the invisible dude. He's a veritable chameleon, flitting from blackjack venue to venue in Las Vegas. He's the master of covert sports betting, fooling the boutique sites with his incredibly diverse profiles. Sometimes he wears heels and a wig, like the Bud Light guys.





Bottom line: he doesn't know what the fuck he's doing. But he likes to write about it.

[kewlJ]

I have some questions along the same lines as Rob. Like, who owns and is in charge of the machines in a bar? A lot of times in a grocery or convenience store the machines and the attendant for the small gaming area is a different company than the store. So the machines or are is leased or contracted out? Might this be the case in a bar? That would partly explain why they might not be on top of it as quickly. But not really. I have no knowledge of this kind of thing as I don't think I have ever played a bar or anywhere that wasn't a casino. But I would have though a smaller venue, bars, ect, even places like dotty's would be quicker to 86 than the casinos.

Interesting to hear about the things these guys did.

[kewlJ]

He's the master of covert sports betting, fooling the boutique sites with his incredibly diverse profiles.

What boutique sites am I fooling? The one you are mentioning even though I haven't had an account there in over a year, was the very first to shut me down.

I will try to make this short, because Rob doesn't have the attention span the read well written accounts of what I do. I bet $300 a wager (not a game) sometimes $200. I might have multiple wagers on a game of that amount. Say I like the Phillies. I will bet the 5 inning line and the game line. Or maybe the run line and the moneyline. spread the money around which smooths out variance some. Because I am NOT looking to profit off my wagers. If I do that is icing. But all I really want is to get through the rollover requirements eating away as little bonus as possible. What is left of the bonus money IS my profit!!

If I think a game is going to be high scoring I might bet the 5 inning over, the game over and maybe 1 or both team overs. 3-4 bets banking on runs being scored.

I have 4-5 books, so 30-50 different wagers a day is 6-10 wagers per book. NOTHING alarming about 6-10 $200-$300 wagers for most books. If that is alarming to them, then they won't be a book I can deal with for long, just as oddsmaker wasn't.

I don't know why the greatest sports bettor in the last 40 years is having such a hard time understanding what I am doing with my sports betting bonus whoring. I will bet no one else on this forum is having a hard time grasping it. Like most of my AP play, it is pretty simple, pretty elementary.

[MDawg]

This dude is a fraud. He just tries to piece together things that he imagines goes on based on a culmination of bits and pieces of stories he pulls from the Internet. Clown world.

[kewlJ]

Oh and one other thing redietz. I don't bet 50 or even 30 wagers every day. Depends on the season and how many games are being played. The day I initially made the 50 wagers comment was in February or early march. I think it was march actually. There were college basketball tournament games, NBA games, NHL games. Probably well over 100 games to mchoose from and then you include the different wager options, you have 500 options.

Today there are 5 MLB games, 1 NHL, 1 NBA. Slow day. I currently have 11 wagers spread over 4 books. Might add one if Druff makes a pick I am not already betting.

[kewlJ]

MDOG, Why do you comment about things you know NOTHING about? The topic of this thread really is about video poker play, and Red has hijacked it to talking about my sports betting. YOU know nothing about either topic. And yet here you are commenting. You know who else comments about shit they don't know about? Tasha! You are right there on par with Tasha. You must be proud.

[Keystone]

MDOG, Why do you comment about things you know NOTHING about? The topic of this thread really is about video poker play, and Red has hijacked it to talking about my sports betting. YOU know nothing about either topic. And yet here you are commenting. You know who else comments about shit they don't know about? Tasha! You are right there on par with Tasha. You must be proud.

Well they`re both black and idiots, so yeah