This Ain't No Poll

[kewlJ]

I have a busy weekend coming up. so I am going to get off this now. I feel like I am being a little hard on Dietz. (that's what she said---Michael Scott).

Bob Dietz, sports betting tout did nothing illegal and nothing a 100 other touts didn't do in the 80's, 90's, 2000's. It is kind of sleazy preying on deg gamblers, but there is a lot of sleazy shit in this world.

It isn't JUST that Dietz lied and mislead us about being this great sports bettor/handicapper, but something AccountinQuestion tried to tell me long ago. He was so damned arrogant about it, with the high IQ comments, knowing an expert in every field that he played pick up basketball with. All that shit!

[kewlJ]

Dawg, Nobody cares about you and your repeated nothing-new trolling shit anymore. You are like Singer. We are way over you. The dawg is dead!

It is on me that I fed you trolls like you and singer for way to long, giving you the attention you crave. THAT train has come to an end. RIP!

[coach belly]

KewlJ was feeding bullshit to Kim Lee to post on top of it all. So kewlJ essentially did an end run around the sock puppet rules.

How could I have fed the man information that I couldn't possibly know about because it was way before my time?

This is a deflection...there is no accusation that you fed Kim Lee everything that he posted.

I wanted to support Bob (redietz) as a long-time handicapper who tried to play it straight by having Integrity Sports monitored.

Kim Lee has an extensive collection of T & G. He said in studying them, he puts Red's win percentage somewhere between 51% and 53%.

Kim Lee studied all his information, including all the publications you cherry picked from

redietz mentioned you so that you could share Typsters or Gypsters pages from your collection.
Do you have anything to share in that regard?

No.

Maybe I'm a sock puppet

I don't want to pick on Redietz specifically, because this is just an informal recollection.

Kim Lee is not an Asian name. I used it for anonymity

[kewlJ]

Not sure what the point is to what CB posted above. Seems just a jumbled re-hash with no point to me.

Look I did not feed Kim Lee anything. He is not the kind of guy that someone is going to feed him what to say and think. That is hog wash.

He simply came to at least some of the same conclusions as i did when got involved, studied the publications and read the forum, especially what Redietz was saying (most of which contradicts real sports bettors) . And guess what, it is basically the same conclusion, axelwolf, mickeycrimm and any other real player came to. When a guy doesn't understand EV in sports betting.....he ain't no Billy Walters!

[Rob.Singer]

I LOVE it!---kew is getting whipped FROM ALL SIDES! He's so lathered up that he frantically puts up multiple posts trying to, eh-em....SET THE RECORD STRAIGHT! Instead, all he accomplishes is his usual bad reaction from those he refers to as "trolls" because of the direct hits they make on his blatant dishonesty, and you can almost FEEL the loser getting ready to "leave permanently again" for the umpteenth time!

Quite the enjoyable show.

[MisterV]

Is the claim made that redietz had no source of personal income other than from touting and sports betting?

One would think it would be his hobby, i.e. his avocation and not his sole vocation.

I assumed he had a job, like most gamblers do, and didn't rely solely on sports betting for his bread and butter.

[kewlJ]

One other thing about Red's 40 years which doesn't make sense to me. 40 years....100 days a year in Vegas. Why did Red not own a place here in Vegas? Just some part-time garden type condo like Wong did. Instead Dietz paid for housing usually very low end for 100 days a year. It wasn't even comped. He STILL never mentions getting comped when he visits Vegas. he pays for rooms at Golden Nugget and Tuscany.

I mean sure, with sports betting you can do that from anywhere now. Not so much in the 80's and 90's right. And unlike a blackjack player or machine AP, a sports bettor wouldn't need to live in Vegas fulltime. And although I love Vegas, I get why some might not want to live here fulltime. I can think of 115 reasons.

But if you are spending 100+ days here and paying for housing, wouldn't you buy your own place, even a small part-time place? I guess the answer is maybe the wife, the real bread winner wouldn't go for it.

[MDawg]

Coach is the best man here when it comes to really, in theory, and actually, in practice, proving things out.

And that's why tewlj wants me banned.

He is a pathological liar, incapable of posting honestly, and the enemy of the truth.

[kewlJ]

Is the claim made that redietz had no source of personal income other than from touting and sports betting?

One would think it would be his hobby, i.e. his avocation and not his sole vocation.

I assumed he had a job, like most gamblers do, and didn't rely solely on sports betting for his bread and butter.

Have no idea. he has never mentioned anything else. His claim is a professional sports bettor for 40 years. "Professional". Doesn't that imply that is what you do for a living?

I have asked Red on several occasions "what kind of money are we talking about (average per year). He never answered.

I know getting into the money seems kind of personal, but when you are talking about gambling, the money matters. The perfect example was the Moses situation. Guy claims he was making a living playing blackjack and betting sports in RENO of all places. You can NOT play blackjack professionally based out of Reno. No one has been able to do that since before I was born, if ever.

So it turned out, admitted by moses at the end that he made 10k a year. I believe his situation was he moved to Reno after his divorce at about age 50 or so. Closed a successful business so he had some money. Sort of an early retirement (Good for him). So he only needed to make a little bit of money. 10k worked for him. And a player might be able to pull that off in Reno playing low stakes. (still would be difficult actually because Reno is so extremely sweaty). But maybe.

If he had told us the money he was talking about from the beginning when he said "Professional blackjack" there would never have been a problem.

And it is the exact same thing with Red. If his arrangement was his professional wife, who made good money paid most of the bills, while he made whatever small money sports betting...good for him, good for both of them, if they are happy with that arrangement. BUT that is not what he led us to believe. he led us to believe he was the second coming of Billy Walters.

So yeah, the money does matter.

To tell the truth, it wouldn't surprise me if Redietz worked at a Newpaper or something with his journalism background 6 months a year or something. I don't know how you would pull that off. maybe free lance or something, work when you want?? Maybe he could have even submitted stories or columns when he was in Vegas. Or maybe he had other employment. And there would be nothing wrong with any of that. BUT that is NOT what his claim was. His claim was 40 years professional sports bettor.

[MDawg]

Without your mouth, you can't make a living.

Anyone who reads even a bit of a sheet of text like that, the stuff KJ spews on a daily basis, has to have a screw loose.

[kewlJ]

Really these situations, Moses, Redietz aren't THAT different than a guy who has (family) money, like to gamble, losses and says he wins. These people aren't making their money or the kind of money the claim from gambling as they claim. And THAT is the problem.

Maybe it is just me. Maybe it is my problem. But as a guy who makes his living gambling, and works hard at doing so, and takes and accepts the risk, it really bothers me when someone claims this shit and it turns out to be not true.

If you want to be a professional gambler...DO IT! Learn about advantage play. AND THE MATH INVOLVED. Learn how to play and still be welcome to play (probably the most important thing). Raise the bankroll. Take the risks. Live the lifestyle. But don't make all these claims of winning for years, decades when your money is coming from somewhere or something else. That is not fair to the people that really gamble for a living (and I don't like to use the word gamble, but I will here), and work at it and apply the math and take the risk.

[mickeycrimm]

I'll do better than that. When I see you in person, I will quote scripture and verse as to what was fed to the Kim Lee handle. And although I should have caught it, I did not. The credit goes to MDawg.

The odds against those particular posts being actually written by Kim Lee are about 50-1 in my estimation. And I'm being conservative.

This was not really a difficult analysis, which is why I'm so disgusted I didn't see it. Any writing-check software employed by writing profs in colleges would have caught it. I was way slow; really stupid of me.

Whatever you think of MDawg, he deserves kudos for this. At least he was awake at the switch, unlike me.

Red, has Druff recieved your credit card information yet. We've been waiting quite a while. If Druff hasn't received it yet could you give us an ETA on when he will receive it? We await eagerly to see your proven credit score is. It means so much to us.

[mickeycrimm]

I'll do better than that. When I see you in person, I will quote scripture and verse as to what was fed to the Kim Lee handle. And although I should have caught it, I did not. The credit goes to MDawg.

The odds against those particular posts being actually written by Kim Lee are about 50-1 in my estimation. And I'm being conservative.

This was not really a difficult analysis, which is why I'm so disgusted I didn't see it. Any writing-check software employed by writing profs in colleges would have caught it. I was way slow; really stupid of me.

Whatever you think of MDawg, he deserves kudos for this. At least he was awake at the switch, unlike me.

Boy, Red, you really did it. You exposed KJ for who he really is! Great job uncovering that Kim Lee is a KJ sockpuppet. I have to hand it to you, redietz. Without you we wouldn't know that KJ is really Steven L. Heston. You sure are smart, redietz. Finally, KJ is exposed! It's all right here in this link:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven...ton#References

[kewlJ]

Boy, Red, you really did it. You exposed KJ for who he really is! Great job uncovering that Kim Lee is a KJ sockpuppet. I have to hand it to you, redietz. Without you we wouldn't know that KJ is really Steven L. Heston. You sure are smart, redietz. Finally, KJ is exposed! It's all right here in this link:

When Kim Lee was receiving his degrees, I was....a toddler mastering....walking.

If you look at his experience and expertise in gambling and gambling mathematics, does anyone (other than redietz and his co-conspirator) think a guy like that, with his credentials is going to let a lowly salanmander card counter tell him what to say and think?

[coach belly]

let a lowly salanmander card counter tell him what to say and think?

A forensic analysis, comparing your posts to some of Kim Lee's posts, showed with a very high degree of certainty that the posts were written by the same person.

https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/40e9840...7-51d19280c422

[mickeycrimm]

let a lowly salanmander card counter tell him what to say and think?

A forensic analysis, comparing your posts to some of Kim Lee's posts, showed with a very high degree of certainty that the posts were written by the same person.

https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/40e9840...7-51d19280c422

Who was the forensic scientist that went over KJ and Kim Lee posts? Would you list their credentials? And will you show the evidence that the forensic found.

[kewlJ]

These people are doing their thing. It is all bullshit. There was no communication between myself and Kim lee in the manor being suggested. I contacted him and made him aware that Dietz had brought him up twice. The next thing I knew Kim Lee was posting here. The next time I contacted Kim Lee privately was several weeks later after he had posted many times. I never told or even suggested anything to the man. This man would not be allowing me to put words in his mouth like that.

Now this accusation, first made by Dog, repeated by Reedits and now coach belly that Kim Lee said something similar to what I said. I am not surprised. Me, mickeycrimm, axelwolf and others and eventually Kim Lee, all came to basically the same conclusion.

If Kim Lee uses a same word or even phrase that I had uses, well you would have to ask him about that. Just maybe he read my conclusion or even someone elses, agreed with it, and said something similarly, maybe even the same word or phrase. But you would really have to ask him.

Anyway I really got to get going. This is a work night for me. and I have stuff to do.

[mickeycrimm]

Kim Lee has made only about 30 posts since he returned about a month ago. It should be very easy to find and expose the kim lee post or posts that mdawg and redietz think were actually written by KJ.

You can click the community link, then click on the member list to find Kim Lee, then click on his forum posts and view his last 30 posts. Then it's a very easy thing to copy and paste those posts to this thread so we can view them and you can give an explanation to why you think KJ was the writer.

Sunlight is the best disinfectant.

Show the evidence or STFU.

[coach belly]

Who was the forensic scientist that went over KJ and Kim Lee posts? Would you list their credentials? And will you show the evidence that the forensic found.

My understanding is that multiple online plagiarism detectors were used for the analysis.

The different applications reported the same conclusion.

Here's how to view the evidence...

Use the process explained above to compare posts authored by tewlj & Kim Lee.

Then look at yourself in a mirror, and locate your nose.

The evidence is as plain as the nose on your face.

[coach belly]

I never told or even suggested anything to the man. This man would not be allowing me to put words in his mouth like that.

Of course we wouldn't expect a proven and admitted liar, such as yourself, to admit his wrongdoing.

Your fervent and repeated denials themselves are indicative of your guilt.

The lady doth protest too much, methinks.

That is a line from the play Hamlet by William Shakespeare, spoken by Queen Gertrude in response to the insincere overacting of a character in the play within a play created by Prince Hamlet to elicit evidence of his uncle's guilt in the murder of his father, the King of Denmark.

The expression is used in everyday speech to indicate doubt of someone's sincerity, in particular the suspicion that someone who denies something very strongly is hiding the truth.