Bob Dietz' Coming Appeararance On PokerFraudAlert Radio

[mickeycrimm]

There is, of course, a way to objectively determine how successful a gambler is, and that is to examine their tax returns.

Not that Redietz, KJ or the hound should or would disclose them to a trusted, neutral party such as Dan for examination and then feedback to the forum: but they could.

Of course it will never happen and so questions will remain unanswered...not that the questions really matter.

Here is the jist of it MrV. what you call successful gamblers, and I call advantage players, don't need some 3rd party to monitor results. Results are reflected in our bank accounts. because that is what it is really about....making money.

If we share something monetarily, like what we made on a play or made for a year on a public forum, people can believe that or not. I always say, most reasonable people should be able to put it together with what knowledge the person has demonstrated they know, if they can explain what they do and what the advantage is ect. But no one is going to prove anything to strangers on an internet forum. For what? No more than you or any other non-Ap is going to prove what is in their bank account right now. Why would anyone. no one is on trial.

Now the big difference with the redietz claiming 3rd party verification, still proves nothing about what he or one of these other "tout" type actually won or lost or made for any period of time. All that verification is....is a tool that can enable them to gain new clients. The verification doesn't add 1 cent to their bank accounts. No extra money. To the contrary...they pay for that. So that should be a red flag. It is just so they can pull out a piece of paper when soliciting clients and say "see this, I finished 3rd in xxx last year or 2 years ago" (cherry-picking the good years).
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Red wants to make it seem like the verification is some kind of righteous thing. He is verified by some 3rd party that you pay for <- But in reality it is only for the purpose of attracting new "marks" or clients.

This "touting" scam or hustle seems to be a big thing in the sports betting world. Not illegal. But you always have to ask yourself, if someone, anyone is able to pick sports at 56-57% or more to win overcoming the vig, why are they selling those picks. Why the hell aren't they just betting, winning, pocketing the money. over and over and over. License to print money.

And by the way...same think with every other freaking system or betting pattern that someone claims on these forums, or youtube. If someone really found the holy grail, something that really worked, they wouldn't be selling it. They would spend every minute and every dollar applying it.


Which BTW, how is that progression system going Rob? Rob who lives with his daughter.

Again, by KewlJ(s) logic, or lack thereof, there should be no investment counselors or financial advisors in the world. That simple.

The "APs" hide in the dark and tell stories. Some stories, like mickey's, make some sense and have some inner consistency. Some, like the KewlJ(s), do not. Either way, very little can be corroborated, if any of it.

As opposed to handicappers in public view, with their records ATS on display for all to see, with multiple clients who know each other and can compare notes and blow the whistle on the handicapper at any time. You decide which stories are more likely to be fairy tales. Again, that simple.

My sole motivation in gambling was to create wealth, not to impress you and the public. You are free to believe whatever you want. But what you believe has no bearing on my bottom line. Your beliefs about what I do are irrelevant.

Scream from the mountain tops that I'm a fraud until I prove I actually make a healthy profit in gambling. Will that get me to prove it to you? Bwahahahahahaha!!! Get a clue. I don't care what you believe about it....and never will.

[AxelWolf]

Red, can you direct me to where I can see this for you?

"With their records ATS on display for all to see."

[accountinquestion]

Mickey = Lots of podcast appearances
Redietz = No podcasts

Mickey > Redietz

[kewlJ]

No one minds it. Where else we gonna get rapid-fire backtracking, Swiss cheese-like explanations, and the ever-present serial lying that accompany every studder-laden make-believe AP story?

Singer calling anyone a serial liar is just pure gold.

There is a simple fact to this that people like Singer and dawg who make up these outrageously ridiculous claims simply can't understand. Advantage Players and real winning players, that share anything on a public forum or platform like this can share only certain parts and details. And that includes changing some details along the way. And sometimes that leaves you with what looks like a "hole" or inconsistency.

I am confident that the real players and advantage player can fill in the holes. The trolls like Singer, Dawg, CB and others not so much.

The sharing of the whole story with all details, has to wait until the player has retired, or at least retired or moved away from that play or type of advantage play.

[kewlJ]

My sole motivation in gambling was to create wealth, not to impress you and the public. You are free to believe whatever you want. But what you believe has no bearing on my bottom line. Your beliefs about what I do are irrelevant.

Scream from the mountain tops that I'm a fraud until I prove I actually make a healthy profit in gambling. Will that get me to prove it to you? Bwahahahahahaha!!! Get a clue. I don't care what you believe about it....and never will.

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There is nothing that equates to this 3rd party monitoring that Redietz has explained about the "touty" sports bettors in other parts of advantage play. No rankings among video poker players or blackjack player. And for good reason. It doesn't add to what you make, which is what advantage play is all about.

But with these scamicapper "touts" these ranking do add and influence what you can make. These scamicappers use these ranking to sell.

And if that isn't bad enough the revelation this week, that they actually pay to be included in these rankings is extremely revealing. You know who the real AP in this whole deal was. The Mike McCusker guy that charges the scamicappers for a ranking.

[Ray Finkle]

Kewl.
Has Druff ever asked you to be on the show?

[AxelWolf]

My sole motivation in gambling was to create wealth, not to impress you and the public. You are free to believe whatever you want. But what you believe has no bearing on my bottom line. Your beliefs about what I do are irrelevant.

Scream from the mountain tops that I'm a fraud until I prove I actually make a healthy profit in gambling. Will that get me to prove it to you? Bwahahahahahaha!!! Get a clue. I don't care what you believe about it....and never will.

+100

There is nothing that equates to this 3rd party monitoring tD

Sports 1-900 numbers, magazine tout ads, and tout Services fleece people for years while claiming outrageous win rate percentages. It was a huge fucking con. Eventually, there was a crackdown, legal issues, and wising up...the gig was up.

Now what do you do? People realize they can't allow such outrageous bullshit win percentages, however they still need to suckers to bet and invest in their bullshit.

Enter the BS sports betting moderating business that fudges numbers to make everything seem legitimate. They shave a point here or there from the actual numbers that are available. For example, the touts who lost by one or two points are credited with winning that game. Anything close is given to the touts as a win.

They give Touts credit for pics on lines that aren't available. As we all know, just a few points either way significantly raise your percentage.

[The Boz]

Totally disagree Axel, the gig was never up, they are still out there in all their glory, the medium just changed. Gone are the 900 numbers, the newspaper & magazine ads and infomercials, but social media and the Internet is their new domain. The claims on X and Instagram are as bold as ever.

Even a few of the guys from the 80’s are still playing the game.

https://jimfeist.com/

https://www.stufeiner.com/

Here is our old friend Mike Warren still claiming 80% winners.

https://mikewarrensports.com/

This guy did time years ago but appears to be back. Jeff Allen

https://www.betfirm.com/jeff-allen/

And there are plenty of new guys all over X with 70-80% winners claims. And who can forget our buddy Christopher Mitchell?

[redietz]

My sole motivation in gambling was to create wealth, not to impress you and the public. You are free to believe whatever you want. But what you believe has no bearing on my bottom line. Your beliefs about what I do are irrelevant.

Scream from the mountain tops that I'm a fraud until I prove I actually make a healthy profit in gambling. Will that get me to prove it to you? Bwahahahahahaha!!! Get a clue. I don't care what you believe about it....and never will.

+100

There is nothing that equates to this 3rd party monitoring tD

Sports 1-900 numbers, magazine tout ads, and tout Services fleece people for years while claiming outrageous win rate percentages. It was a huge fucking con. Eventually, there was a crackdown, legal issues, and wising up...the gig was up.

Now what do you do? People realize they can't allow such outrageous bullshit win percentages, however they still need to suckers to bet and invest in their bullshit.

Enter the BS sports betting moderating business that fudges numbers to make everything seem legitimate. They shave a point here or there from the actual numbers that are available. For example, the touts who lost by one or two points are credited with winning that game. Anything close is given to the touts as a win.

They give Touts credit for pics on lines that aren't available. As we all know, just a few points either way significantly raise your percentage.

Well, it's nice to just invent stories, which is what Axelwolf is now doing. Let's try, rather than speculation-without-facts, an actual true event.

Who do you think was the first to take USA Today to task in 1982 (the first year it began publishing) when they ran a full page of ad blocks devoted to services with claims of 82-9 ATS and 108-13 ATS and so on? The ads were running every Friday in every edition.

That would be me, the inimitable founder of something called Integrity Sports, which is corny, of course, but that was kind of the point. That name, attached to my face, made me the most obvious target if I fudged one number, which I never, ever did. I called USA Today directly (no internet in those days) and wrote to them to let them know they were off the factual wagon with what they were allowing as ads. I told them what real numbers would look like, and that what they were allowing was asinine.

Now what will the all-knowing Axelwolf's response be to this pithy history lesson? Axelwolf has no actual information, just surmises based on a lifetime of hanging out with scumbags and gambling addicts. Why speculate when you actually know nothing?

If anyone is an expert on competing against liars and cheats and bullshitters, it would probably be the guy who never fudged a number and ran something called Integrity Sports. I got so much grief for that name (because it is kind of stupid), but people quickly understood what I was about and how I did things. It's why I was invited into the Wise Guys and why I was invited to be in Who's Who in Sports Gambling in 1984. It's probably why magazines like The Humanist vetted me and published me and why I was vetted to present a paper at the National Conference on Gambling and Risk-Taking. My reputation in this business has always been absolutely pristine. Otherwise I wouldn't have lived up to the stupid-or-not name.

P.S. My superior half loved the name, by the way. I think she may have been the only one.

[coach belly]

touts who lost by one or two points are credited with winning that game. Anything close is given to the touts as a win. They give Touts credit for pics on lines that aren't available.

This is tewlj-level derangement syndrome.

Is it nature or nurture?

Take a nap...you're drunk.

[kewlJ]

Kewl.
Has Druff ever asked you to be on the show?

He expressed an interest in me being on his show. And I declined and stated my reasons for not wanting to be.

I do remember he said he could disguise my voice, like I am in the witness protection or something, which was funny. But that had nothing to do with why I had no interest at this time.

[coach belly]

Axelwolf has no actual information, just surmises based on a lifetime of hanging out with scumbags and gambling addicts.

Scumbag numero-uno may have finally wised up.

The Wolf retreated to the forest, and is building his own house of sticks.

What a turn of events.

Listen up and you'll hear tewlj... "I'll huff and I'll puff, but I don't care about blowing a house down...I'm here to blow the Wolf."

[mickeycrimm]

+100

There is nothing that equates to this 3rd party monitoring tD

Sports 1-900 numbers, magazine tout ads, and tout Services fleece people for years while claiming outrageous win rate percentages. It was a huge fucking con. Eventually, there was a crackdown, legal issues, and wising up...the gig was up.

Now what do you do? People realize they can't allow such outrageous bullshit win percentages, however they still need to suckers to bet and invest in their bullshit.

Enter the BS sports betting moderating business that fudges numbers to make everything seem legitimate. They shave a point here or there from the actual numbers that are available. For example, the touts who lost by one or two points are credited with winning that game. Anything close is given to the touts as a win.

They give Touts credit for pics on lines that aren't available. As we all know, just a few points either way significantly raise your percentage.

Well, it's nice to just invent stories, which is what Axelwolf is now doing. Let's try, rather than speculation-without-facts, an actual true event.

Who do you think was the first to take USA Today to task in 1982 (the first year it began publishing) when they ran a full page of ad blocks devoted to services with claims of 82-9 ATS and 108-13 ATS and so on? The ads were running every Friday in every edition.

That would be me, the inimitable founder of something called Integrity Sports, which is corny, of course, but that was kind of the point. That name, attached to my face, made me the most obvious target if I fudged one number, which I never, ever did. I called USA Today directly (no internet in those days) and wrote to them to let them know they were off the factual wagon with what they were allowing as ads. I told them what real numbers would look like, and that what they were allowing was asinine.

Now what will the all-knowing Axelwolf's response be to this pithy history lesson? Axelwolf has no actual information, just surmises based on a lifetime of hanging out with scumbags and gambling addicts. Why speculate when you actually know nothing?

If anyone is an expert on competing against liars and cheats and bullshitters, it would probably be the guy who never fudged a number and ran something called Integrity Sports. I got so much grief for that name (because it is kind of stupid), but people quickly understood what I was about and how I did things. It's why I was invited into the Wise Guys and why I was invited to be in Who's Who in Sports Gambling in 1984. It's probably why magazines like The Humanist vetted me and published me and why I was vetted to present a paper at the National Conference on Gambling and Risk-Taking. My reputation in this business has always been absolutely pristine. Otherwise I wouldn't have lived up to the stupid-or-not name.

P.S. My superior half loved the name, by the way. I think she may have been the only one.

So, since you are the, ahem, honest tout, I'm sure you wouldn't mind providing corroborating evidence that you took USA to task on their sports betting advertising. Or are we supposed to just take a tout for his word?

[coach belly]

I'm sure you wouldn't mind providing corroborating evidence that you took USA to task on their sports betting advertising. Or are we supposed to just take a tout for his word?

Scream from the mountain tops that I'm a fraud until I prove I actually make a healthy profit in gambling. Will that get me to prove it to you?

Twin sons of different mothers.

[redietz]

Sports 1-900 numbers, magazine tout ads, and tout Services fleece people for years while claiming outrageous win rate percentages. It was a huge fucking con. Eventually, there was a crackdown, legal issues, and wising up...the gig was up.

Now what do you do? People realize they can't allow such outrageous bullshit win percentages, however they still need to suckers to bet and invest in their bullshit.

Enter the BS sports betting moderating business that fudges numbers to make everything seem legitimate. They shave a point here or there from the actual numbers that are available. For example, the touts who lost by one or two points are credited with winning that game. Anything close is given to the touts as a win.

They give Touts credit for pics on lines that aren't available. As we all know, just a few points either way significantly raise your percentage.

Well, it's nice to just invent stories, which is what Axelwolf is now doing. Let's try, rather than speculation-without-facts, an actual true event.

Who do you think was the first to take USA Today to task in 1982 (the first year it began publishing) when they ran a full page of ad blocks devoted to services with claims of 82-9 ATS and 108-13 ATS and so on? The ads were running every Friday in every edition.

That would be me, the inimitable founder of something called Integrity Sports, which is corny, of course, but that was kind of the point. That name, attached to my face, made me the most obvious target if I fudged one number, which I never, ever did. I called USA Today directly (no internet in those days) and wrote to them to let them know they were off the factual wagon with what they were allowing as ads. I told them what real numbers would look like, and that what they were allowing was asinine.

Now what will the all-knowing Axelwolf's response be to this pithy history lesson? Axelwolf has no actual information, just surmises based on a lifetime of hanging out with scumbags and gambling addicts. Why speculate when you actually know nothing?

If anyone is an expert on competing against liars and cheats and bullshitters, it would probably be the guy who never fudged a number and ran something called Integrity Sports. I got so much grief for that name (because it is kind of stupid), but people quickly understood what I was about and how I did things. It's why I was invited into the Wise Guys and why I was invited to be in Who's Who in Sports Gambling in 1984. It's probably why magazines like The Humanist vetted me and published me and why I was vetted to present a paper at the National Conference on Gambling and Risk-Taking. My reputation in this business has always been absolutely pristine. Otherwise I wouldn't have lived up to the stupid-or-not name.

P.S. My superior half loved the name, by the way. I think she may have been the only one.

So, since you are the, ahem, honest tout, I'm sure you wouldn't mind providing corroborating evidence that you took USA to task on their sports betting advertising. Or are we supposed to just take a tout for his word?

As I said in the first ad I ran in GamePlan magazine (which I still have the ad mock-up for -- found it today in a box), I'll take a polygraph on any of this. Just bet me the cost of the polygraph operator and have the balls to be in the room with me and the operator so I can film it.

[Kim Lee]

the tout has to hit 55% for the investor to break even.

And when old investors wash out from losing….the continuous advertising brings in new investors.

Mickey has it right. Most touts don't even hit 51%, and virtually none have a long-term record of 55%+.

I merely know of Redietz from studying old handicapper records. It was possible to make money in the 1980's by shopping lines and exploiting casino mistakes and promotions, and this continued online. Many "handicappers" were also bookmakers or agents for offshore books. If Redietz's wife paid the rent, then he might have survived on these sports-related activities.

Sports 1-900 numbers, magazine tout ads, and tout Services fleece people for years while claiming outrageous win rate percentages. It was a huge fucking con.

Axel understates the cesspool of scamdicapping. They blatantly lie and cherry-pick records. They place newspaper advertisements months ahead of time bragging "9 out of 10 winners last weekend!"

By this standard, Redietz is not terribly scammy. But we all know that if Redietz could hit 55%, then he would have accumulated a lot of money over 4 decades. If he could hit 53% then he could shop a meager living in Vegas. I would have believed him if he said his wife paid the mortgage while he made money from shopping lines, booking, and selling picks while intermittently flipping real estate and irregular jobs.

But no, Redietz bragged about making big profits off customers while hitting 53%. He thinks he is a smart advantage player by taking advantage of customers, where their losses are his profits. He basically confirmed MickeyCrimm's suspicions that that Redietz used the sports handicapping publicity to fleece customers.

One of my favorite TwoPlusTwo posts had a thread where handicapper Haralabob claimed to watch every NBA game. A skeptic retorted that was not enough time. The poster, Haralabos Voulgaris, immediately sent a screenshot of his hard drive files, listing every NBA game in compressed format where he could fast-forward through each game in 45 minutes. Then Haralabob added insult to injury by noting that his critic made 10k+ posts at the forum while complaining there is not enough time. LOL

You can tell someone's level by their posts. Beginning poker players write about money management and bad beats. Intermediate players argue about whether JT is a better hold'em hand than AT. New internet pros ask about whether it is better to have four regular screens or two big screens for multi-tabling. And seasoned pros ask how to lose 50 pounds.

Redietz doesn't write about getting backed off from sports books or hiring runners. A dozen accounts is nothing special. He mentions $500K in action at one account, but does not mention the purpose of the account. Is it an agent account? Was it even profitable? Was it used for hedging? What were the bet sizes? This is typical tout cherry-picking - I hit 57% in 1989, and was #1 in preseason NFL last year (while losing badly at everything else)!

If Redietz was in Vegas hitting 55%+, then Billy Walters would have found him long ago. Redietz bragged that he is a tout who makes money at customers' expense, not by releasing winning picks. Many delusional people pretend to be pro gamblers/handicappers when they are losers, or making money from something else.

[kewlJ]

If Redietz's wife paid the rent, then he might have survived on these sports-related activities.

OUCH!! This must sting.

[coach belly]

[QUOTE=Kim Lee;194364]I merely know of Redietz from studying old handicapper records.[/QUOTE

redietz mentioned you so that you could share Typsters or Gypsters pages from your collection.

Do you have anything to share in that regard?

[kewlJ]

I merely know of Redietz from studying old handicapper records.

redietz mentioned you so that you could share Typsters or Gypsters pages from your collection.

Do you have anything to share in that regard?

He just did belly. What all of the sudden coach belly is going to pretend he doesn't understand?

Kim Lee has an extensive collection of T & G. He said in studying them, he puts Red's win percentage somewhere between 51% and 53%. Not enough to be a consistent betting winner, which is why he was a tout.

What this means is exactly what most of us suspected all along. Red had a couple good years, which is to be expected. And he cherry-picked those years and that is what he shows potential "clients"....those couple of good cherry-picked years.

If Red really had been able to pick 55%-57%, he wouldn't have been a tout selling anything. He would have been betting his ass off at kelly or some fraction of Kelly if he wanted to be extremely cautious.

And Billy Walters and others would have come calling if he constantly picked in that range. Instead Reds experience with Walters was that he worked as a runner for a few months until Walters let him go. What does THAT tell ya?

[mickeycrimm]

I'm sure you wouldn't mind providing corroborating evidence that you took USA to task on their sports betting advertising. Or are we supposed to just take a tout for his word?

Scream from the mountain tops that I'm a fraud until I prove I actually make a healthy profit in gambling. Will that get me to prove it to you?

Twin sons of different mothers.

Absolutely not. I personally don't care about evidence, but the Ditz, as you so aptly named him, is a huge stickler for everyone here showing evidence. So he should lead by example and show proof.