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[MDawg]

Without your mouth, you can't make a living.

[MHF]

Everyone writes tiny replies, but, KJ, still with the nutty essays.

[kewlJ]

If any person, any handle, were to claim they died in a robbery, then came back from the dead,

Then claimed they had been roughed up at South Point and called Nersesian, who took the case,

Then claimed they were broke but attended Villanova,

Not a single thing said here is true Bob Dietz.

I didn't claim I died in a robbery. Post where I claimed that? You can't because it never happened. A short time, maybe a week, I don't know after being held up at gunpoint, outside my home, in which the person demanded "my bankroll", I had a medical situation completely unrelated that resulted in my first heart value replacement. Still concerned about this robbery and potential for future specifically because of the mention of "bankroll", I came up with the (ill-conceived) "deathgate" plan, thinking it might solve the problem.

I NEVER named who the attorney was the represented me through the settlement negotiations. I challenge you to post where I did.

Can you show PROOF that the backroom incident didn't occur or that I didn't receive a settlement. (note my intentional not mentioning where as I am restricted from doing so). Show Proof!! You can't because it did happen. I still have the proof, although can't show it on a public forum without inviting a whole host of further legal problems.

Can you show PROOF that I didn't attend Villanova, Bob Dietz?

You have no proof of any of these things you claims. Nor of the bigger claim that I still am a card counter/blackjack AP.

You Bob Dietz, just like the other trolls and haters have specualation, and made up theories. Not an ounce of proof.

I/we have PROOF that singer lied in the RV fiansco (as well as the jackpot on computer screen in his daughters house).

I/we have PROOF that Mdawg lied about his gambling claims, when he on his own (or forced by Wizard) retracted 7 months and millions of dollars in winnings previously claimed.

We have proof that you were a tout and not the greatest sports bettor of the last 50 years, when Kim Lee and expert....YOUR expert showed up here and stated so based on studying the publications you claimed.

What PROOF do you or anyone have that I am not Ap who has supported myself from card counting for 22 years now. You have speculation and made up shit like male prostitution, based on some sort of dislike or jealousy. But not an ounce of proof. Not a single ounce. All you can do is attempt to smear, just like the other trolls, because THAT is what you now are Bob Dietz. You have become just another troll. Maybe you were all along and just hid it better.

[MHF]

Everyone writes tiny replies, but, KJ, still with the nutty essays.

[kewlJ]

It occurs to me that these trolls don't know what the definition of Proof is.

I have given some examples. Singer in the RV at the dealership that he didn't own. Dawg retracting a statement of claims of winning millions over 7 months. Dietz finally coming around admitting that he sold picks rather than was some Billy Walters type great handicapper. These things are PROOF.

What people have on me is speculation and made up shit. That is NOT proof people.

[MHF]

Everyone writes tiny replies, but, KJ, still with the nutty essays.

[mickeycrimm]

If any person, any handle, were to claim they died in a robbery, then came back from the dead,

Then claimed they had been roughed up at South Point and called Nersesian, who took the case,

Then claimed they were broke but attended Villanova,

The question would arise, if someone lies about all of these overarching major events in life, why should anyone believe the same person is being fastidiously truthful about the rest of it? You would have to be a complete loon to buy any of it.

Why some anonymous, fairy-tale inventing whackadoodle has any expectation of being believed about any of what he writes is a wonderful question. Various forms of mental illness come to mind.

Best to just ignore him/them.

Aw, shucks, red. Why hasnt Druff reported seeing your credit score yet? Whats it been? A year? Do you think it got lost in the mail?

Were you lying? So it ain’t so, redietz.

[redietz]

If any person, any handle, were to claim they died in a robbery, then came back from the dead,

Then claimed they had been roughed up at South Point and called Nersesian, who took the case,

Then claimed they were broke but attended Villanova,

The question would arise, if someone lies about all of these overarching major events in life, why should anyone believe the same person is being fastidiously truthful about the rest of it? You would have to be a complete loon to buy any of it.

Why some anonymous, fairy-tale inventing whackadoodle has any expectation of being believed about any of what he writes is a wonderful question. Various forms of mental illness come to mind.

Best to just ignore him/them.

Aw, shucks, red. Why hasnt Druff reported seeing your credit score yet? Whats it been? A year? Do you think it got lost in the mail?

Were you lying? So it ain’t so, redietz.

We close on a newly built home, which sits in the shadow of Bristol Motor Speedway, in two weeks. Four bedrooms. When Rob makes his way to Asheville next time, he's invited to drop in.

[redietz]

It occurs to me that these trolls don't know what the definition of Proof is.

I have given some examples. Singer in the RV at the dealership that he didn't own. Dawg retracting a statement of claims of winning millions over 7 months. Dietz finally coming around admitting that he sold picks rather than was some Billy Walters type great handicapper. These things are PROOF.

What people have on me is speculation and made up shit. That is NOT proof people.

Having your ATS selections in public, every week for decades, is handicapping last I checked. And being hired by Billy Walters, well, that would suggest I have some idea what I'm doing.

I assume this was kewlJ's brilliant ploy to evoke a response. LOL. Congrats.

[kewlJ]

It occurs to me that these trolls don't know what the definition of Proof is.

I have given some examples. Singer in the RV at the dealership that he didn't own. Dawg retracting a statement of claims of winning millions over 7 months. Dietz finally coming around admitting that he sold picks rather than was some Billy Walters type great handicapper. These things are PROOF.

What people have on me is speculation and made up shit. That is NOT proof people.

Having your ATS selections in public, every week for decades, is handicapping last I checked. And being hired by Billy Walters, well, that would suggest I have some idea what I'm doing.

I assume this was kewlJ's brilliant ploy to evoke a response. LOL. Congrats.

OMG! What is wrong with you Mate?

1) please let us know, if at any time, you decide to join the rest of us in the 21st century, or if you are going to live out your remaining years in the 1980's.

2) Those contests, posted in publications, served only 1 purpose. They were a tool that you and other touts used to solicit new sucker/customers. NOTHING MORE> . Stop pretending that it was some kind of proof that you were the second coming of Billy Walters.

And speaking of which....I see you name dropped him again. Exactly how long did you work for Billy Walters as a runner. Months?

If someone were to walk up to Mr Walters and mention the name Bob Dietz, what would his response be? My guess is he would say "Who"?

[MDawg]

You’re going into these elaborate logic chains that aren’t ALL that different from saying you couldn’t possibly count cards for a living in Las Vegas for over a decade….

Perhaps if you worked harder to create a coherent narrative that didn't contradict itself or defy common sense...

[kewlJ]

One final look at PROOF regarding this forum.

Who has attempted to "prove anything on an internet forum?

1) Rob Singer by climbing inside an RV at the RV dealership.

2) Mdawg by spreading cash and chips out on a bed, as if that proves he won something.

3) And Now Bob Dietz using these contests and publications from last century (which are a tool for the tout business and NOTHING more) to attempt to prove he is the second coming of Billy Walters.

NONE of these things prove what the person is pretending they do. NONE of them!

Now who doesn't attempt to "prove" anything. That would be any of the real players and APs. Mickeycrimm has NEVER attempted to prove anything. Axelwolf never that I am aware of. Neither have I, or Zenking or any other real AP/winning player. Not Here. Not on any other forum I have ever been on.

We "prove" by knowing what the fuck we are talking about, having the math work and not claiming something that defies how the industry works.

These guys attempt there phony proof because they have demonstrated they do not know what the fuck they are talking about with comments like machines indicating hot and cold cycles (Singer), 60 winning blackjack hands in a row and comments about the casinos not caring about players winning (dawg) and redeitz and his now famous EV quotes and not understand Kelly Wagering or thinking it applies to sports bettors.

No wonder these guys attempt to submit their phony proof, as they have demonstrated beyond any doubt that they haven't a clue about what they are talking about and claiming.

It is almost a "tell" at this point. If someone is trying to submit proof of what they claim, you can go ahead and write it off as fiction.

[redietz]

It occurs to me that these trolls don't know what the definition of Proof is.

I have given some examples. Singer in the RV at the dealership that he didn't own. Dawg retracting a statement of claims of winning millions over 7 months. Dietz finally coming around admitting that he sold picks rather than was some Billy Walters type great handicapper. These things are PROOF.

What people have on me is speculation and made up shit. That is NOT proof people.

Having your ATS selections in public, every week for decades, is handicapping last I checked. And being hired by Billy Walters, well, that would suggest I have some idea what I'm doing.

I assume this was kewlJ's brilliant ploy to evoke a response. LOL. Congrats.

OMG! What is wrong with you Mate?

1) please let us know, if at any time, you decide to join the rest of us in the 21st century, or if you are going to live out your remaining years in the 1980's.

2) Those contests, posted in publications, served only 1 purpose. They were a tool that you and other touts used to solicit new sucker/customers. NOTHING MORE> . Stop pretending that it was some kind of proof that you were the second coming of Billy Walters.

And speaking of which....I see you name dropped him again. Exactly how long did you work for Billy Walters as a runner. Months?

If someone were to walk up to Mr Walters and mention the name Bob Dietz, what would his response be? My guess is he would say "Who"?

Well, we have an interesting theory presented by the KewlJ. That theory is that winning for decades with documented ATS records should not count as evidence that handicappers win. Documented plays made public well in advance of the events, or tallied by actual journalists and then published, should not be considered evidence that handicappers win.

Fascinating theory. I notice that there is no evidence that kewlJ wins...at anything. Ever.

And -- LOL -- I was not ever a runner, and specifically not ever a runner for Mr. Walters.

Now I know the kewlJ is chomping at the bit to ask me to prove I was NOT simply a runner for Mr. Walters. But the kewlJ is also bright enough to know that he doesn't really know what he's talking about, so he's not going to ask for that proof. It's actually a sweet little study in how disciplined the kewlJ is. He knows he's wrong, but I'm not blabbing about how he's wrong, so he's going to keep repeating his silly narrative until I correct him.

Well, I'm not going to correct him until (A) about the 50th time he repeats this nonsense or (B) until he wagers on it and the money is in escrow. I could not have been a runner for Mr. Walters. And the reason is pretty obvious. But I need the kewlJ to go with this story of his another 45 times or so before I actually spell it out for him. I want him to make an ass of himself another 45 times. Somebody please start the tally.

Now is KewlJ a male prostitute, as multiple posters have claimed? Well, the evidence for that, while shaky, exceeds the evidence for him making a living playing blackjack. And this is the guy claiming that ATS selections, published in advance and read by tens of thousands of people, should not be considered evidence of handicapping.

This kewlJ is an interesting dude with interesting ideas. Can't say I have ever heard arguments like his before. He feels the best evidence, evidently, is no evidence.

[kewlJ]

Well, we have an interesting theory presented by the KewlJ. That theory is that winning for decades with documented ATS records should not count as evidence that handicappers win. Documented plays made public well in advance of the events, or tallied by actual journalists and then published, should not be considered evidence that handicappers win.

You continue to try to pretend that you made whatever money you made by picking winners and betting on them. YOU DIDN'T! You were a tout. You made your money by selling picks. All those contests were was a tool that touts use to solicit new sucker/customers. NOTHING MORE, Dietz!

A real professional sports bettor, makes money by betting sports. Not selling picks (That is a tout). A real sports bettor don't need other people's money, clients and/or customers...whatever you call them.

[MDawg]

One final look

Wow, the kewl-groomer still squealing like a little bitch, amazing, hey hey!!!!

One final look

KJ lies because it fits in the drama he wishes to surround himself with.

One final look

A high pitched soft whine, ever rising in frequency and volume.

One final look

A lightning MDawg copy/paste versus…

KJ keeps trying to manually rephrase the same old nervous essays over and over. Can you imagine how much time and angst that takes?

In sum, there’s really no way UNKewlJ does much more than live on the internet. Of course he doesn’t claim to have ever done much either (booted out of his own familial home, high school dropout, homeless) but still, he could have at least done something with his life other than spent it trying to convince (unsuccessfully) about a dozen people over and over every day all day that he’s not lying (again).

The truth is … UNKewlJ hasn’t spent 20 years playing blackjack. He’s spent 20 years trying to convince people that he’s been playing blackjack.

One final look

I have never created a sock account trying to deceive anyone or pretend I was someone else

One final look

[kewlJ]

Look Dietz, I know you went to Pennsylvania Farmer's college or whatever the original name was, so I will try to explain this so even YOU can understand.

A professional gambler, gambles for a living. That means places real money wager on outcomes of events, casino games, sporting events, what have you. They have to win more than they lose, winning more money than they lose. If they lose more than they win, they lose money and won't last long as a professional gambler (unless they have a family that just keeps giving them money )

So you Bob Dietz, do NOT meet this criteria is any way. You make you money by selling a service. You are a salesmen. It just so happens that service is related to sports in the form of picks. But You make your money from sales. Might just as well be condo as sports picks.

Unlike a professional gambler you don't lose money if your picks don't win. Oh you may claim you place a few sheckles on some bets, but the majority of your money comes from sales and isn't effected win or lose the wagers.

You Got it so far, PA farmers college boy?

Now you hold out these contests and publications of contest as some sort of proof that they are not. Those things are a tool that touts use to solicit new customers. And everyone knows it. And even that, if you do poorly in a contest, it costs you nothing, moneywise. except maybe you can't hold out that particular contest when soliciting new suckers. You are going to have to re-use some of the older ones that you did better in. In YOUR case, I guess that is 1983.

So stop with this nonsense. Just like Singer in the Newell at the dealership and Dawg with his cash and chips on the bed, your proof doesn't prove what you are trying to claim it does. And you just aren't fooling anyone.

THAT is the offensive part. That you people think you can come to a gambling forum (I know this barely qualifies), where there are real professional gamblers and player that play for a living, and think you can pull this shit. It is insulting dude.

[MDawg]

One final look

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I don't whine like a fairy and have my panties in a bunch, like a repetitive whining UNKOOL poster.

[kewlJ]

The crazy Canadian Garnabby wants shorter posts. So here goes.

Bob Dietz, you are NOT a professional gambler/sports bettor. You don't understand EV, variance, or Kelly wagering. YOU make your money by selling a service not from gambling. You are a salesman. That service just happens to involve sports. End of story!

[MDawg]

One final look

UNKewlJ is like a cerebral palsy victim who knows he can't walk straight and is stumbling all over the place, but can't do anything about it because that's the way he's wired.

Try as he might, he can't help sputtering and stumbling and drooling all over himself whenever someone posts anything about him (or MDawg, or Rob, or REDietz), as his hands hit the keyboard and pound out, manically,

the same old nervous essays over and over.

He's as bad as jungwoo or K.Stone, coming out like a prize fighter at the bell! whenever MDawg makes a post, desperate to be heard.

And while MDawg's automated copy/pastes just spit out a response in seconds, these fellows, especially UNKewlJ, spend up to hours crafting their posts every day.

Can you imagine how much time and angst that takes?

[kewlJ]

But really looking forward to this interview that will never happen Dietz.