Update on the KJ AP experience

[jdaewoo]

I'd rather cut off my scrotum with a rusty breadknife than AP slots in Vegas or AC.

If you're going to do it for any kind of real profit you need to play high denom/risk plays on games (as crimm said) that the general ding dongs don't know about. Building cards off the plays is also pretty valuable, but higher denom plays carry W2G possibilities which can be an issue.

Any widely known play is going to be a race to the bottom and if you aren't card building you're going to have every play taken by teams who are.

You are seriously 15 years late to the party. How you didn't transition from your VP sideplay to slots back in the day is seriously beyond me.

[kewlJ]

I'd rather cut off my scrotum with a rusty breadknife than AP slots in Vegas or AC.

If you're going to do it for any kind of real profit you need to play high denom/risk plays on games (as crimm said) that the general ding dongs don't know about. Building cards off the plays is also pretty valuable, but higher denom plays carry W2G possibilities which can be an issue.

Any widely known play is going to be a race to the bottom and if you aren't card building you're going to have every play taken by teams who are.

You are seriously 15 years late to the party. How you didn't transition from your VP sideplay to slots back in the day is seriously beyond me.

I appreciate your comments and thoughts jdaewoo. I am already having second thoughts and thinking it might not be a good fit for my situation. probably going to continue to give it a try for now and see how it pans out.

As for why I didn't go directly from our VP mailer play directly to AP slots, that is because I wasn't doing the VP mailer play when it ended. My partner was handling all that and I was playing my blackjack, still playing the local circuit and grinding 5-6 days a week. I mean there are only so many hours in a day.

Also the end of our VP sideplay came rather suddenly upon my partners sudden passing. The play was already winding down with less and worse mailer offers (which I now know was due to the multi-carders), but for me, it ended rather abruptly in the blink of an eye upon my partners sudden death. I tried to pick up some of it, the best of the remaining offers for a couple years but it was only a fraction of what we were generating when my partner was handling it all.

And in the end, the more time I put into that, at declining returns, the less I had for my primary income....blackjack.

I guess I was aware players, even some blackjack heavy players were and had moved to advantage slot. But I just wasn't looking for, nor had the time at that particular time.

Things have now changed for me. I have a lot more time. I only play blackjack average 10 hours a week and on weekend nights at higher limits. I have a lot of free time during the week. I do the sports betting but that only takes a few hours a day. I actually tried to revive the VP mailer play first, last year, but it isn't the same. You hit them with a big coin in and it generates much less and they cut down or stop offers very quickly. the whole play is either not +EV or if it is, not worth the time and effort for me.

That is why I have looked into slot AP. And that may not be the answer either. In the end, I may just be going back to my roots, more blackjack play. Combining some of the grinder locals circuit with a bit of weekend higher limit play. I mean I DO know how to win at blackjack, still enjoy doing so, so I am not looking to abandon that. We will see.

[kewlJ]

One of the things for me, is I now have a BF, that I live with that works a traditional type job. He is a manager at a retail type establishment and manager of a specific division. It is not a horrible job, and has great benefits, but he does work hard. He starts at 6am so is up very early.

He has show little interest in AP play, but I would like to find something for him or that we could partner on that would allow him the option to move on from his grinding job. I don't even know if he would have an interest at this point, but I would like to find something and present him that option. And I know card counting is not that something. He is not cut out for that.

[jdaewoo]

The Vegas market sucks due to oversaturation of slot APs (both real and tweaker) and the local vs out of towner mail situation. It doesn't help that pretty much every casino has been smashed by multicarders at some point.

Mail and slot AP can still be great in the right market, but Vegas and AC aren't the right markets.

[kewlJ]

The Vegas market sucks due to oversaturation of slot APs (both real and tweaker) and the local vs out of towner mail situation. It doesn't help that pretty much every casino has been smashed by multicarders at some point.

Mail and slot AP can still be great in the right market, but Vegas and AC aren't the right markets.

I became aware of the local vs out of towner mailers while we were still doing the VP play. There are ways around or to maximize that, of course.

I am neither looking to pick up and move to change markets or to do extensive travel. I did the pickup and move in my 20's and am not doing so again. I like it here, living here, playing here. And Blackjack which is why I moved here still works and really still works almost exactly the same as the day I moved here. I know the non blackjack guys and naysayers want to claim it no longer works, but it does. Exactly the same.

Most AP's no longer do much with blackjack (at least not card counting) because they pursue bigger edges elsewhere with less "hassle". But it still works for me. And frankly that few APs, some but fewer play blackjack is also a benefit. I often wonder if I had been born a little earlier and my career took the same path and I moved to Vegas 15 years before I did, maybe the late 90's or even 2000, when there were still hundreds of card counters, how I would have made out? I think that would have been much more challenging to find my little lane.

[kewlJ]

Funny thing I learned at the time is that mailers are not only different in regards to locals vs out of towners, but differ in the same area (like Las Vegas) based on ethnicity and gender. Someone with an Asian name or living in an Asian area of town will get better offers than someone else for the exact same play. And a female even better.

I never exploited that, but know someone who did.

Seems like that ought to be some kind of discrimination or something, but good luck winning that.

[kewlJ]

Some of my ramblings may seem unconnected, but there aren't entirely. It comes down to real players/AP learn and know how things work....and they work it. And when some nitwit (dawg, Singer, and now to some extent Dietz) comes along claiming bullshit that is NOT how things work, it annoys me. It insults me. Maybe that is on me, but it is what it is.

[theywontpayontuesday]

The Phil Ivey story is terrible. Got to love our injustice system. The judge enforcing a theoretical win is BS.

[kewlJ]

The judge enforcing a theoretical win is BS.

Nersesian has said that anytime a case gets into the math, it is a heavy lift to get either a judge or jury to understand or even keep their interest. Even a fairly simple concept. So, this judge ruling in this manner, just smacks of corruption and a judge being paid off.

[redietz]

Some of my ramblings may seem unconnected, but there aren't entirely. It comes down to real players/AP learn and know how things work....and they work it. And when some nitwit (dawg, Singer, and now to some extent Dietz) comes along claiming bullshit that is NOT how things work, it annoys me. It insults me. Maybe that is on me, but it is what it is.

Your issue is that you know absolutely nothing about sports betting, but you pretend that you do. You use wrong math. You use wrong bonusing. You use wrong language. You act as if you're invisible when your blackjack play should have sensitized you to how visible you are as someone the books have no motivation to deal with. But somehow, the alleged blackjack pro who hides his identity all the time tries bonusing while setting his hair afire and thinking nobody notices him. Your sports betting comments are pretty much a joke; a how-to near complete ignorance.

So how about this? I don't post about slots or blackjack or poker or other things I know next to nothing about, and you restrict yourself to things you actually know something about. I'm helping out your rep as a man about town here, since almost every post about sports betting from you makes it clear you're one step above knowledgeable earthworms after a bad rain.

[kewlJ]

First this man about town nonsense. That is a Singer claim. I have never claimed to be nor want to be the man about town. No labels for me like "Pope of Las Vegas". That is NOT what I am about, nor have ever been about. What I am is a guy who has lived and made a living APing in this town for 16 years, so yes I know a little bit about how things work. And Dietz, so do you at least on some things, and I have noticed you never call Dawg out on things that you know are bullshit. Instead you cozy up to him as some sort of Troll brother.

Now that said, I reject your don't talk about sports betting and you won't talk about blackjack offer. And it is not to be mean or combative. We are well into, like months if not years into this discussion about sports betting and how the things you claim and say don't square with any other sports bettor. Not just going to drop it now, because you can't answer for your comments and are not man enough to admit you are wrong.

So sorry Red, I decline your proposal. But mine still stand: here is a re-post:

Dietz, YOU have mentioned "provable" responding to mickeycrimm, multiple times now. I generally don't ask for proof, but if you are volunteering.....

You have some sort of relationship with Munchkin. You claim you worked for Bllly Walters, not as a runner, but some valued part of his organization that he looked to for advice.

So how about you call on these two people you claim to have or had a relationship with, arrange for some kind of interview or Q & A and lets get to the bottom of this?

Instead of you continuing to reference and play games with a podcast that you know is NEVER going to happen.

If you really wanted to get to the bottom of this, it would have been done long ago.

[kewlJ]

Dietz, this shit really isn't personal with me. I don't dislike you. (double negative) I don't even know you. I also don't dislike Dawg or Singer or at least didn't until they started with nasty attacks and lies. For me these things are really about the math and reality of a person's claims. And yours don't fly now Red.

And as soon as people, mickey at first, then others began to point out that your claims don't work, you get nasty. Same exact playbook as Singer, which Dawg later copied. get nasty and try to discredit the person questioning you. That has never worked in the history of the world. You cannot gain credibility to your own claims/story by attempting to lie about and discredit someone else.

I, on the other hand, can and do answer most legitimate questions and concerns about what I do, have done and claimed. And I often answer questions and reveal things I would be better off not answering. But I do it anyway, as long as the person asking is being sincere and not trolling. the trolls will twist my answers and pretend I said something else, but I can and do have real answers.

Why is it you guys can't do that? Why do you have to go immediately to attacking like you ALL do? As soon as you do that, it reveals what you are. And I am quite sure I am not the only one that sees that. Like I always have said...it just isn't that hard to figure out......

[MDawg]

Don Schlesinger, Richard Munchkin and a couple players that have asked me not to even post their names or handles on this forum.

This right here could be lie #38 for the ol' gal.

Any of youse who know either one just contact and ask if he knows KewlJ or anyone who meets that description.

Already in the past someone at this forum told me that he contacted attorney Nersesian who so far from acknowledging that he knew UNKewlJ in any way went out of his way to state that he was aware that this "nutjob" Jason aka KewlJ was going around the internet claiming that he knew him. If anyone doubts this I still have the email that was forwarded directly from Nersesian disavowing any connection with UNKewlJ and calling him out as a real piece of work.

[redietz]

Dietz, this shit really isn't personal with me. I don't dislike you. (double negative) I don't even know you. I also don't dislike Dawg or Singer or at least didn't until they started with nasty attacks and lies. For me these things are really about the math and reality of a person's claims. And yours don't fly now Red.

And as soon as people, mickey at first, then others began to point out that your claims don't work, you get nasty. Same exact playbook as Singer, which Dawg later copied. get nasty and try to discredit the person questioning you. That has never worked in the history of the world. You cannot gain credibility to your own claims/story by attempting to lie about and discredit someone else.

I, on the other hand, can and do answer most legitimate questions and concerns about what I do, have done and claimed. And I often answer questions and reveal things I would be better off not answering. But I do it anyway, as long as the person asking is being sincere and not trolling. the trolls will twist my answers and pretend I said something else, but I can and do have real answers.

Why is it you guys can't do that? Why do you have to go immediately to attacking like you ALL do? As soon as you do that, it reveals what you are. And I am quite sure I am not the only one that sees that. Like I always have said...it just isn't that hard to figure out......

Let me get this straight (see what I did there?). You have an anonymous alleged blackjack player, who multiple posters have sworn is a male escort with sugar daddies, who displays zero knowledge of sports but feels compelled to post about it. This poster has come back from the dead (by his own hand), and there is literally zero verification that he has done anything that he claims for any decent stakes. He has met zero people on various forums in person, and his story is that he lives on the strip while counting cards in Las Vegas.

His argument vis-a-vis me is that "my claims don't work," although I was monitored for a decade by the toughest monitor in the country. Even though my two plays a week in the Wise Guys Contest were on newsstands for decades, days in advance of games being played. And I have worked on a percent of profit basis with players who know each other for the last 20 years, including the late President of Golden Eagle Distributing, a pharma CFO, and a former Boeing vice-president. And, of course, my classic go-to, "Mr. Walters, who knows everything about everything, hired me." And I was on good terms (we grew up withing a few miles of each other) with the famous bookmaker, the late, great Mike Stockunas, who will likely be featured in a screenplay coming to a theater near you soon. Even though I gave an academic paper at the National Conference on Gambling and Risk-Taking and was vetted by Who's Who in Sports Gambling.

Now compare the partial summary in the above paragraph with everything we know about kewlJ's claims -- comes back from the dead, goes to Villanova but is broke, lives on the strip but avoids identification by various casinos because he's a master of disguise, gets his arm broken but doesn't really, knows Nersesian but really does not.

Jesus friggin' Christ. Talk about "claims not working." LOL. I mean, the comparison is absolutely ridiculous.

You guys know my name, my number, my address. Drop me a line when it's interview time. Anyone who shares forum space with this loony tune is as nuts as he is.

[MisterV]

Well, there is that...but then again we've no reason to suspect KJ cannot afford to pay his property taxes on time.

Whereas...

[kewlJ]

It just never ends with Dietz. Similar to dawg and Singer in that regard. You simply cannot gain credibility for yourself and your claims by trying to discredit someone else. Has NEVER worked. What you need to do Red is answer some tough questions. And you can't do that. And you won't do that.

Red, the nonsense about you being monitored is over. It is as dead as your wife, my partner, Alan and Moses. DEAD! An expert.....an expert that you talked up, studied the very publications you have talked about for years and concluded you didn't make much, if any money. That is the end of the story!

And those "monitored" contests were never what you claimed there were. All they ever were is a tool for the many "touts" of that era to cherry pick their good years to use to sell to new "customers/suckers". THAT is all they were. They prove nothing else. AND because you touts, at least some of you actually paid to have your results in these publication, it is even less credible (if that is even possible). Who is to say somebody didn't pay to have results posted that were not real? So just stop with this "I was monitored shit! Proven meaningless.

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Deitz has posted his name, address (not sure why) his phone number (even less sure why). I have no idea why he would want to do so, but if he does and obviously, he did, he can afford to do so. Because he isn't an AP, nor winning player battling with the casinos like AP's who must maintain anonymity are. he is a tout....a salesman. So I guess that answers my own question as to why. he wants prospective customer/suckers to be able to contact him. This forum has essentially been advertising for his little scammy tout business.

Apparently, Dietz would like me and other APs to use our real names and addresses. Alan also wanted that at times. Alan, may he rest in peace, was a losing degenerate gambler. No reason for him not to use this name if he wanted. And Alan really didn't have a clue about Advantage Players, so it is almost understandable that he didn't get it. Dietz, AP or not (He is not, nor a winning player/sports bettor), but he should know better, just from the amount of time he claims he spent in Vegas and associations with other gamblers. I find it very disingenuous that he continues to pretend not to understand this.

Deitz, if you want this to end, put together an interview or podcast where people can ask legitimate questions and give legitimate answers that make sense. And make it so real players/APs like axelwolf, mickey Crimm, even me and anyone else that wants to can ask questions. Not some bullshit where you are given the questions in advance. And really, for the most credibility have munchkin and Billy Walters involved. the onus is on YOU Dietz to put this together. But we all know you never will. You can't because you can't reasonably answer any tough questions and if you did, your answers won't match any real sports bettors or anyone that knows even a little about sports betting. AND for good reason. You were not really a sports bettor. You were a tout. A salesman.

But until you do that, you are done. You are as credible as Singer and Dawg at this point. And that is 2 steps less credible than Tasha!

[kewlJ]

there are a couple things about Dietz and the other haters that continue to amaze me. they want to claim some very mundane things about me are impossible. Very mundane! That I have a brother. That I fractured my arm. That I live in Las Vegas. Completely stupid shit.

Why do they do that? well this post right here by Keystone (and he is not a KJ fan) is your answer.

A few here claim to believe Mslob, but only because they hate you, or homos in general......however anyone with even 1/2 a brain (coach belly is disqualified) knows he`s a lying sack of Saudi shit

Mickeycrimm actually said something similar several years ago. That people really know, just, just refuse to say so because they hate me (and mostly over something that isn't even about what i do gambling-wise). So juvenile.

[kewlJ]

One last thing that you KJ haters do. Is try to claim there are no other card counters and/or that card counting is no longer possible. This is a sentiment by people that just have no clue what they are talking about.

The only partial truth to that is there are not nearly, actually a tiny fraction of players that engage in a lot of card counting than 10-15 years ago. . BUT that isn't because it is dead, it is because for most players playing with an advantage there are better opportunities with bigger advantage and less hassle.

I am going to say there are 10 people living in Vegas that count cards, either for a living or several retired people that are supplementing retirement. Admittedly I am working off data that is several years old, because I haven't played the local's circuit much the past few years which is where I encountered them. But I would bet it is about the same number.

And then there are dozens more that travel around the country counting cards, and Vegas is one of the frequent stops.

So anyone claiming card counting isn't a thing and no longer possible is someone that doesn't have a clue. AND I can prove it. I challenge anyone to take a look at one of the databases in use here in Vegas (OSN still most widely used although there are others). Take a look at the most recent entries at any given time and tell me what they say. About half say card counter and/or suspected card counter. Why would the database be full of suspected card counters if there were none?

Goofy Bastards.

[Rob.Singer]

Is there ANY doubt how full of shit kew is? Who posts long, repetitive BS all day long in an attempt to be relevant? And who's foolish enough to get so lathered up over what another poster claims about his gaming results?

And yes, this moron is a wannabee Man-About-Town. Redietz, why are you wasting your time arguing with a proven, humiliated liar? You'll get a whole lot more mileage out of insulting the little fairy. Especially enjoyable is when he claims he doesn't read those zingers

[theywontpayontuesday]

The judge enforcing a theoretical win is BS.

Nersesian has said that anytime a case gets into the math, it is a heavy lift to get either a judge or jury to understand or even keep their interest. Even a fairly simple concept. So, this judge ruling in this manner, just smacks of corruption and a judge being paid off.

Seems dirty to me as well. Casinos have brainwashed so many people the public doesn't know right from wrong anymore. Ivey didn't cheat plain and simple. We all know that.