Viral video going around of 2 players betting $25k/hand on blackjack being denied a comp smoothie

[jdaewoo]

Why isn't this retard pretending to be relevant?

[DGenBen]

BTW, my very first response was wondering if the player was spreading or doing something like that would make him undesirable in the eyes of casino and pit. Again, we don't see that, but video really isn't long enough to know for sure. But on the surface just flat out idiotic.

I thought of that too, but quickly realized that if a player betting $25k per hand was doing something the casino didn’t like such as counting, the casino would not have denied a comped smoothie, they would have backed the player off or banned them.

Not to mention someone doing advantage play at $25k per hand is not going to give a fuck about a comped smoothie, they are going to try to avoid any attention.

[kewlJ]

Not to mention someone doing advantage play at $25k per hand is not going to give a fuck about a comped smoothie, they are going to try to avoid any attention.

Well yes and no. (again based only on my experience as a player maxing out at $400 or more recently $1200 or so). If there are other patrons around (playing on the main floor) the casinos really don't want to back off a player. It is bad for business. So sometimes they tolerate a player playing at a small advantage like card counting for at least a little while.

Casinos KNOW that even with an advantage, for that single session, variance really comes into play. They love to wait til a player experiences some negative variance, losing a number of hands and then hit him with a backoff.

Now again, I would think this clip was high limit room action from amounts bet, plus you don't see a lot of activity in the background, in which case, yeah you are right, if there was something that made his play undesirable, they just should have backed him off or barred him.

Keep coming back to it just seems like a really stupid business decision by people that aren't you old casino type guys that knew how to run a casino.


Here is another decision, completely unrelated. Whe covid hit, The smaller local type casinos closed buffets and never re-opened them. Station and Boyd cited that their buffets had been losing money for years, and they wanted to get rid of them as the reason.

Well the old time casino operators KNEW buffets and places like that lost money. The intent was to keep gamblers in the casinos, where they could grab a quick meal and get back to the tables (or slots). So if the buffets lost a little money so be it. They made up for it 10 fold on the player (and friends) sticking round and gambling 3 more hours after his meal. But the idiots that run casinos now, just can't think like that. they look only at buffet revenue and say we are losing money.

[jpfromla]

Not to mention someone doing advantage play at $25k per hand is not going to give a fuck about a comped smoothie, they are going to try to avoid any attention.

Well yes and no. (again based only on my experience as a player maxing out at $400 or more recently $1200 or so). If there are other patrons around (playing on the main floor) the casinos really don't want to back off a player. It is bad for business. So sometimes they tolerate a player playing at a small advantage like card counting for at least a little while.

Casinos KNOW that even with an advantage, for that single session, variance really comes into play. They love to wait til a player experiences some negative variance, losing a number of hands and then hit him with a backoff.

Now again, I would think this clip was high limit room action from amounts bet, plus you don't see a lot of activity in the background, in which case, yeah you are right, if there was something that made his play undesirable, they just should have backed him off or barred him.

Keep coming back to it just seems like a really stupid business decision by people that aren't you old casino type guys that knew how to run a casino.


Here is another decision, completely unrelated. Whe covid hit, The smaller local type casinos closed buffets and never re-opened them. Station and Boyd cited that their buffets had been losing money for years, and they wanted to get rid of them as the reason.

Well the old time casino operators KNEW buffets and places like that lost money. The intent was to keep gamblers in the casinos, where they could grab a quick meal and get back to the tables (or slots). So if the buffets lost a little money so be it. They made up for it 10 fold on the player (and friends) sticking round and gambling 3 more hours after his meal. But the idiots that run casinos now, just can't think like that. they look only at buffet revenue and say we are losing money.

Absolutely correct. Again the bean-counters are in charge. A few casinos "get it" (South Point comes to mind).

[redietz]

The problem is compartmentalization with each individual having a status and responsibilities in a particular sealed-off compartment and nobody imposing some overview strategy that is more comprehensively efficient than this every-manager-for-himself stuff. This LV every manager for himself is relatively modern and a result of massive mega-corps shuttling personnel around as they please between properties with no property-specific game plans overriding personal goals.

Curricula vitae have become more important than over-arching results. That's what happens when massive companies run multiple properties competing against each other in the same physical space. The sub-components (gaming, food-and-beverage, hotel) at each individual property take it a step further and wind up similarly competing with each other instead of arriving at some plenary game plan.

[DGenBen]

Not to mention someone doing advantage play at $25k per hand is not going to give a fuck about a comped smoothie, they are going to try to avoid any attention.

Well yes and no. (again based only on my experience as a player maxing out at $400 or more recently $1200 or so). If there are other patrons around (playing on the main floor) the casinos really don't want to back off a player. It is bad for business. So sometimes they tolerate a player playing at a small advantage like card counting for at least a little while.

Casinos KNOW that even with an advantage, for that single session, variance really comes into play. They love to wait til a player experiences some negative variance, losing a number of hands and then hit him with a backoff.

Now again, I would think this clip was high limit room action from amounts bet, plus you don't see a lot of activity in the background, in which case, yeah you are right, if there was something that made his play undesirable, they just should have backed him off or barred him.

Keep coming back to it just seems like a really stupid business decision by people that aren't you old casino type guys that knew how to run a casino.


Here is another decision, completely unrelated. Whe covid hit, The smaller local type casinos closed buffets and never re-opened them. Station and Boyd cited that their buffets had been losing money for years, and they wanted to get rid of them as the reason.

Well the old time casino operators KNEW buffets and places like that lost money. The intent was to keep gamblers in the casinos, where they could grab a quick meal and get back to the tables (or slots). So if the buffets lost a little money so be it. They made up for it 10 fold on the player (and friends) sticking round and gambling 3 more hours after his meal. But the idiots that run casinos now, just can't think like that. they look only at buffet revenue and say we are losing money.

Good points.

It could be that the only thing that gets some of these places to stop making these bad decisions is either massive financial losses or bankruptcy.

[Tasha]

All of my local Casinos have bars. :) And they all serve soda. :)

So what?

All the tribal joints I haunt have bars and presumably they also can serve soda.

The questions you dodged:

Are there no self-serve soft drink stations you could and should have used?

Did you ask a CW for a soft drink?

Bartenders are in the business of selling alcohol, not doling out free soft drinks to low-rolling deadbeats.

My local Casinos don't have self serve soda locations. I didn't see any CW while I was playing. I wasn't low rolling, I was playing around $2 a spin.

[DGenBen]

All of my local Casinos have bars. And they all serve soda.

So what?

All the tribal joints I haunt have bars and presumably they also can serve soda.

The questions you dodged:

Are there no self-serve soft drink stations you could and should have used?

Did you ask a CW for a soft drink?

Bartenders are in the business of selling alcohol, not doling out free soft drinks to low-rolling deadbeats.

My local Casinos don't have self serve soda locations. I didn't see any CW while I was playing. I wasn't low rolling, I was playing around $2 a spin.

What does seeing a cat whisperer have to do with getting a soda in a casino?

[Tasha]

So what?

All the tribal joints I haunt have bars and presumably they also can serve soda.

The questions you dodged:

Are there no self-serve soft drink stations you could and should have used?

Did you ask a CW for a soft drink?

Bartenders are in the business of selling alcohol, not doling out free soft drinks to low-rolling deadbeats.

My local Casinos don't have self serve soda locations. I didn't see any CW while I was playing. I wasn't low rolling, I was playing around $2 a spin.

What does seeing a cat whisperer have to do with getting a soda in a casino?

Come on your just trolling. CW is a Cocktail Waitress and you know it.

[DGenBen]

This article goes into a lot more detail about the smoothie incident

https://sccgmanagement.com/sccg-news...d-during-game/

[MisterV]

I was playing around $2 a spin.

I thought you were broke?

How can you afford to bet two bucks a spin?

[Don Perignom]

Not to mention someone doing advantage play at $25k per hand is not going to give a fuck about a comped smoothie, they are going to try to avoid any attention.

Well yes and no. (again based only on my experience as a player maxing out at $400 or more recently $1200 or so). If there are other patrons around (playing on the main floor) the casinos really don't want to back off a player. It is bad for business. So sometimes they tolerate a player playing at a small advantage like card counting for at least a little while.

Casinos KNOW that even with an advantage, for that single session, variance really comes into play. They love to wait til a player experiences some negative variance, losing a number of hands and then hit him with a backoff.

Now again, I would think this clip was high limit room action from amounts bet, plus you don't see a lot of activity in the background, in which case, yeah you are right, if there was something that made his play undesirable, they just should have backed him off or barred him.

Keep coming back to it just seems like a really stupid business decision by people that aren't you old casino type guys that knew how to run a casino.


Here is another decision, completely unrelated. Whe covid hit, The smaller local type casinos closed buffets and never re-opened them. Station and Boyd cited that their buffets had been losing money for years, and they wanted to get rid of them as the reason.

Well the old time casino operators KNEW buffets and places like that lost money. The intent was to keep gamblers in the casinos, where they could grab a quick meal and get back to the tables (or slots). So if the buffets lost a little money so be it. They made up for it 10 fold on the player (and friends) sticking round and gambling 3 more hours after his meal. But the idiots that run casinos now, just can't think like that. they look only at buffet revenue and say we are losing money.

Good points.

It could be that the only thing that gets some of these places to stop making these bad decisions is either massive financial losses or bankruptcy.

When my wallet was stolen, I waited before freezing my credit card because I figured maybe the thief would accidentally issue payment on my outstanding balance.

[Tasha]

I was playing around $2 a spin.

I thought you were broke?

How can you afford to bet two bucks a spin?

I was actually starting off playing .50, and got an unexpected $200 win. I then upped my bet to $2 a spin.

[mcap]

I was playing around $2 a spin.

I thought you were broke?

How can you afford to bet two bucks a spin?

I was actually starting off playing .50, and got an unexpected $200 win. I then upped my bet to $2 a spin.

You are an actual moron

[DGenBen]

I was playing around $2 a spin.

I thought you were broke?

How can you afford to bet two bucks a spin?

I was actually starting off playing .50, and got an unexpected $200 win. I then upped my bet to $2 a spin.

Interesting strategy.

Win on a small bet then quadruple your bet so you can expose your winnings to the house edge four times faster.

If you had hit $800 on $2 a spin would you have upped your bet to $8 a spin?

[Tasha]

I thought you were broke?

How can you afford to bet two bucks a spin?

I was actually starting off playing .50, and got an unexpected $200 win. I then upped my bet to $2 a spin.

Interesting strategy.

Win on a small bet then quadruple your bet so you can expose your winnings to the house edge four times faster.

If you had hit $800 on $2 a spin would you have upped your bet to $8 a spin?

At the time, I STILL was relying on the Bingo Scam(I hadn't gotten caught yet) so I was playing frivolously. I mentioned that I played frivolously before getting caught and banned for the Bingo scam. Playing $8 a spin is too high of a bet for me.

[MDawg]

When my wallet was stolen, I waited before freezing my credit card because I figured maybe the thief would accidentally issue payment on my outstanding balance.

[jdaewoo]

Why isn't this retard pretending to be relevant?