Originally Posted by accountinquestion View Post
Originally Posted by redietz View Post
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post

It was never my objective to see if you can handle a radio show. My objective was to expose your opinion to a mass audience that EV cannot be measured in any way, shape or form in sports betting. I was after touching off a public debate on the issue to see where pros stood on this issue. I already know of some pros who adhere to measuring EV in sports betting, Unabated for sure.

LOL. I'm sorry, Mr. Crimm. Please specifically locate (1) where I said EV "cannot be measured in any way, shape, or form in sports betting" and (2) why I should care where "pros" stand on the matter.

The problem, as I said to Munchkin, is that you (as a generic know-it-all APs) think that labeling a permeable, real-world situation with tags from a (for the most part) impermeable formal probability world makes sense. It does not. If you sub in "my opinion of what I think the EV is" for "THE EV," then you are not calculating "THE EV." You are expressing your opinion.

And as we all know, everyone has an opinion.

This stuff gets old. Talk to some probability professors. Even Shackleford will find it necessary to agree with me.
You have changed your view on this subject considerably.

So the only point here is that you don't understand sharper gamblers all understand that "the opinion of EV ..." is implied with the usage of EV when it comes to sports betting. Like EVERYONE ELSE who is sharp knows that and doesn't think it is worth mentioning. It is implied because it is literally that apparent.

So where does that leave you?

You have to judge whose opinion it is. This is why we use the word sharps to discuss ourselves. We understand your whole point and have since the beginning. So then it just becomes an exercise in evaluating the person who gives something an EV value. Thats literally it.

You're just not a math/numbers guy so it makes you incomfortable when people have a numbers based approach to betting outside of how many "units". So you mocked it. You want to tout your depth and knowledge of football which is probably 2nd to no one on this forum. In a different time and place you could probably be an originator and crush but not anymore.

Good to know you are a sharp. Pays the bills. Probably gets you on Carson, along with Uri Geller.

The original use of the term EV, which is still in use in a tight manner by Bob Dancer, and a somewhat looser but identifiable way by Munchkin, is that it served as a mathematical term, a predictor sans subjectivity.

As soon as you begin inserting opinions into a math term, it becomes an excuse to aggrandize yourself, as if you know what you're doing when you do not.

Nobody in the real world cares what sad labels alleged APs slap on themselves to make themselves feel like they have control of situations when they have no clue what they're doing. It's all just Fred Flintstone triggering (B-B-Bet-Bet-Bet!) to think EV should be a personal opinion, and (of course) your personal opinion is best.

It's self-aggrandizing bullshit with no utility to doing it. If 100 different "APs" are presented with a situation and come up with a hundred different EV's, well, it's not a math term in that given situation, now is it? And yet, in video poker, or actual poker, or slot play, it is. It's sad, pitiful really, to distort a definition to make you feel as if you have some expertise in something of which you are more or less ignorant.

I love the fact that freshman probability class and a handful of gambling jargon makes one a "sharp."

More power to you...and Uri Geller.