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    I'll rephrase my argument: It's insidious enough that casinos engineer every second of your time inside, but, to suggest that they do it with the rest of the world, too, would be downright evil.


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    Originally Posted by Garnabby View Post
    California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger released an executive order forbidding welfare recipients from using their EBT cards at casino ATMs
    *AHEM*

    Arnold Schwarzenegger served as the 38th Governor of California from November 17, 2003, to January 3, 2011; Gavin governs the land of fruits and nuts today.

    Please make a note of it: but being as you are from Canada your ignorance is understandable: hell, I know little of Canadian politics so your seeming ignorance is not a demerit.
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    Originally Posted by SoccerPredictions View Post
    I see your location says Florence Italy.

    How do you define a welfare state?

    It may have a different meaning and connotation in Europe than it does in the US.
    A state that provides some sort of assistance to the most needy in society. I realize that most countries, if not all, have some sort of government policies in regards to that. As far as I know there are no "pure capitalist" countries, not even the US. But what I was arguing is not a specific economic model, but the level of disposable income and the share of population that have access to that disposable income. And again, looking at it from the perspective of the gambling industry, what would be best for them? I have lived both in Italy and the UK and I have noticed that gambling has been very strong during times when there have been strong welfare policies in place. In Italy, for example, the largest growth of the gambling industry has happened when the previous government introduced "reddito di cittadinanza", some sort of universal citizen's income. The present Meloni administration has done away with it 3 years ago. At first gambling seemed to remain steady, thanks to the creation of new jobs, but now we are starting to see signs of weakness. In sports betting, for example, this past september there has been 25% less money gambled compared to september 2024, and september is a big test for the local betting industry, because it's when most major soccer leagues (where most of the money is wagered) have got underway.

    Again, I'm aware that the perfect scenario would be an all together strong economy with no unemployment and all the population having disposable income. And I wasn't talking about any country in particular. We may talk about the US here because it's where the large majority of you guys live. I'm very aware about how hard the gambling companies fought to get back in the US market, to make betting legal in many states and all that, but I believe that it's mainly due to the sheer size of the market there.
    I think this disconnect is how the term “welfare state” is used in the US vs. Europe.

    Here in the US it has a negative connotation & generally means something along the lines of working tax payers funding free money for people who do not work, basically free loaders living off the backs of working productive people.

    But I understand it is more nuanced in Europe & does not have the same negative connotations it has here in the US.

    I think in Europe you guys take it to mean more like social safety nets for working people, subsidized healthcare, etc.

    This is why you will get pushback from American posters here because the first thought that crosses our mind is why should working tax payers fund non productive people especially if they are going to use the money on frivolous things like gambling rather than necessities like food, housing, medical care etc.

    But since I’m not familiar & probably most of the people on this forum are not familiar either with the way government subsidies, etc work in European countries we probably can’t speak intelligently about the point you are trying to make.

    Other than to say politically that idea would never fly here in the US.

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    Originally Posted by MisterV View Post
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    California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger released an executive order forbidding welfare recipients from using their EBT cards at casino ATMs
    *AHEM*

    Arnold Schwarzenegger served as the 38th Governor of California from November 17, 2003, to January 3, 2011; Gavin governs the land of fruits and nuts today.

    Please make a note of it: but being as you are from Canada your ignorance is understandable: hell, I know little of Canadian politics so your seeming ignorance is not a demerit.
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    There is a documented photo of him sourced right from his hometown newspaper. It’s just not the original photo that was presented

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    Originally Posted by Garnabby View Post
    You doubt the accuracy of the Great Garnabby?
    Certainly not.

    I've no doubt that you can accurately write your name in cursive while pissing in the snow outside your igloo.

    I've no qualms about your accuracey...it's your state of mind that seems to be, how shall I say this..."fragile?"

    note: i questioned your claim about the Arnold, aka the governator and EBT cards, not about Popeye.

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    1, 61116 ---> 616 beg to differ. Ha.


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    There 1s a documented photo of him, sourced ri6ht from h1s hometown newspaper. 1t's just not the or16inal photo that was presented
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    A picture may be worth a thousand words, but, it takes ten thousand to verify it. Ha. Perhaps that ancient grainy photograph was of his brother Ben, John, or even the neighbor boy.


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    Not to put you all out of joint(s), MrV, but didn't you pass? Ha.

    You seem a bit stressed over there, today.


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    I've no doubt that you can accurately write your name in cursive while pissing in the snow outside your igloo.
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    Anyway, there was nothing wrong with my quote about Arnold S. He's still Governor S.

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    Originally Posted by DGenBen View Post
    But I understand it is more nuanced in Europe & does not have the same negative connotations it has here in the US.
    Communism is nuanced.
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    Originally Posted by Don Perignom View Post
    Originally Posted by DGenBen View Post
    But I understand it is more nuanced in Europe & does not have the same negative connotations it has here in the US.
    Communism is nuanced.
    True. Different types of communism.

    I’ve heard that romantics prefer Trotskyism.
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    Originally Posted by Garnabby View Post
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    The most amazing thing. Had I put it in my post before, it would have been ...

    1298 = {-1 + [(6*6*6 + 1 + 1)^2 - (-1 + 6*6*6)^2]} ---> 1, 616

    to match the bit about ...

    Originally Posted by Garnabby View Post
    1, 61116 ---> 616 beg to differ.
    I, the 6reat 6arna66y. Ha.
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    Originally Posted by MisterV View Post
    Hotsky to Trotsky are ya?
    Well if you had to match which form of communism Portland would be the closest to it would be closer to anarcho communism, or Marxism then it would Trotskyism.

    Or to put it in your terms, you wouldn’t be that hotsky to trotsky, or stalin for long, but you would get high Marx.

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    Hotsky to Trotsky are ya?
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    Originally Posted by DGenBen View Post
    Originally Posted by MisterV View Post
    Hotsky to Trotsky are ya?
    Well if you had to match which form of communism Portland would be the closest to it would be closer to anarcho communism, or Marxism then it would Trotskyism.

    Or to put it in your terms, you wouldn’t be that hotsky to trotsky, or stalin for long, but you would get high Marx.
    Do you really know this much about commie variants or is it just for the joke? Serious question I'm just curious.

    Anarcho communism has to be the biggest fail sounding government ever conceived.

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    Originally Posted by accountinquestion View Post
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    Hotsky to Trotsky are ya?
    Well if you had to match which form of communism Portland would be the closest to it would be closer to anarcho communism, or Marxism then it would Trotskyism.

    Or to put it in your terms, you wouldn’t be that hotsky to trotsky, or stalin for long, but you would get high Marx.
    Do you really know this much about commie variants or is it just for the joke? Serious question I'm just curious.

    Anarcho communism has to be the biggest fail sounding government ever conceived.
    Primary a joke, but totalitarian governments are always something I’ve always been interested in from a historical perspective so I’ve done a little bit of reading on communism & fascism.

    Communism because it’s such a bad idea & yet it was so popular in the early 20th century & there were so many different flavors of it.

    So I’ve always wanted to understand a little bit why it was so popular.

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    Originally Posted by accountinquestion View Post
    Anarcho communism has to be the biggest fail sounding government ever conceived.
    Has there ever been an anarcho-capitalist country?

    Anarcho-capitalists and right-libertarians cite several historical precedents of what they believe to be examples of quasi-anarcho-capitalism, including the Republic of Cospaia, Acadia, Anglo-Saxon England, Medieval Iceland, the American Old West, Gaelic Ireland, and merchant law, admiralty law, and early common law.
    Anarchist communism is a far-left political ideology and anarchist school of thought that advocates communism. It calls for the abolition of private real property but retention of personal property and collectively-owned items, goods, and services.
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    The family is the fundamental unit of society, it is the building block upon which communities and societies are formed.

    When you look at the internal economic model of a typical family, it operates much more like communism than capitalism.

    I don't see communism as a fundamentally bad idea. But on a very large scale it has always been implemented through totalitarianism.
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    Originally Posted by Garnabby View Post


    Anarchist communism is a far-left political ideology and anarchist school of thought that advocates communism. It calls for the abolition of private real property but retention of personal property and collectively-owned items, goods, and services.
    Now please do anarcho-fascism. That one is pretty interesting

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